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The war in Iraq has lasted longer than our Civil War, and Gen. William Sherman would be appalled at President Bush's current war policy he is now stuck with. It's the same old song and dance, except the waltz has turned into a foxtrot. Bush's refusal to change his war policy in Iraq is mind-boggling. His faith-based theory on victory consists of some version of what we saw in Germany and Japan after WWII.

That war was won by using Gen. Sherman's strategy of "total war" to break the will of the people to fight. This strategy resulted in an unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan, and it's the main strategy our military is trained to execute.

Of course, it would be insane and immoral to use "Uncle Billy's" strategy of total war in Iraq, because that nation has never threatened us in any way, and it would make President Bush seem like an out-of-control madman.

Instead, President Bush is using our military as social workers with guns who are functionally a peacekeeping force in the middle of Iraq's civil war. President Bush has faith the Iraqis will miraculously become more like us and be our friend in the wider war against Islamic terrorism. Reality shows that his unnecessary invasion of Iraq has become a cause for Islamic religious-nationalism to proliferate and to more easily take advantage of our exposed and vulnerable military in the middle of Arabia.

Bush seems to be our own worst enemy, because his strategy is allowing the jihadists to humiliate us on the world's stage for all to see. The enemy wants us to continue Bush's strategy, because they have the advantage. If total war cannot be used in Iraq, then we must retreat, change our tactics and fight on our terms.

Larry Jarrett

Warrenville, S.C.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/15/07 - 05:29 am
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Mr Jarrett is perceptive. He

Mr Jarrett is perceptive. He didn't mention that perhaps Bush's &
Cheney's objective is to create chaos in the region. They somehow
think that keeps Al Qaeda off balance. I think chaos in the Middle East
works to our disadvantage. United States must show we can build things
& help improve people's lives not just destroy things & kill
people. Trying to reconstruct Iraq while bombing & occupying Iraq
is antithetical. Right now Commander-in-Chief Bush has commanded the US
military to kill as many enemy as possible in Iraq & in
Afghanistan. Violence is way up & it is spreading in the region.
Ground commanders have only 1/3 of the troops they need for a classic
counterinsurgency war (according to Gen Petraeus' new manual on the
subject) so C-in-C Bush is turning to the Air Force & Navy to step
up the air war & fill the breach. This results in more collateral
damage - more dead Iraqi & Afghan civilians. That is hardly the way
to win the hearts & minds of the populace in a counterinsurgency
war. The US military, following the orders of its President &
C-in-C, will undoubted kill more of the enemy & civilian population
right up to the time our war effort collapses, we lose &
withdraw.

Dedicated
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Dedicated 07/15/07 - 07:11 am
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Cain....please take your

Cain....please take your medication.......because you are an idiot.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 07:24 am
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Larry Jarrett, where do you

Larry Jarrett, where do you get your information? NPR? From the far left point of view, filtered through the lens of the far left press, your letter makes sense, but in reality you come across like an apostle of JRHCain. Yes, Bush tried the U.N. method of trying not to do any more damage then "necessary" and trying to "respect" the local customs, but that didn't work. Now the door to door urban fighting that is called "the surge" with an Iraqi military that is finally trying to help the country instead of just the local imam, much progress is finally being made. The surge has been at full strength for four weeks and many nests of terrorists, or insurgents as NPR would say, are being clean out and some areas aren't waiting for the U.S. Army to lead the way. As soon as they see we've got their back, they take the initiative and clean the nests themselves or inform the Army of the location of the nests. The primary reason the congressional left is so vocal right now is because the recent interim report was so positive that the possibility of blaming the "lost war" on Bush may be slipping away.

lord griggs1947
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lord griggs1947 07/15/07 - 07:52 am
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Patricia, you are so used to

Patricia, you are so used to right wing-nuts that you actually bellieve that moderates are far-out. [Did you know that Ann Coulter is Bill O'Reilly and Phil Schoofly's love child?]We need to concentrate on alQaeda and Afghanistan. Cheny-Bush lost Iraq! All the surge does is to clear out areas that will return to the insurgents when our forces go elsewhere in that poor country.Terrrorists are already here at al-Qaeda's bidding,wating years patiently to attack.Thus, saying if we don't fight them there,we'll fight them here is naive and inhumane as Iraqis are human and do not deserve being killed.One estimate is as high as 600,000! We have caused more deaths in a shorter period than Saddam ever did! By September, one hopes that more Republican congressmen will see the light of reason and vote to get most of our troops out and concentrate on alQaeda there with the rest [also guarding the borders and instructing Iraqi defense forces. Other nations must engage in Iraqi policy!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 08:14 am
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s g, lets hope your headline

s g, lets hope your headline informed straw grasping is just that.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/15/07 - 08:16 am
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The perceptive Mr Jarrett,

The perceptive Mr Jarrett, limited by space, did not mention the profit
motive in Bush's war in Iraq. Private contractors (aka mercenaries) now by some counts outnumber US combat troops. These
"private contractor" guys are paid 6 figure salaries to provide
security for installations & personnel including the US Ambassador
to Iraq. Blackwater USA has its own helicopter fleet. Halliburton, Dick
Cheney's former employer who gave him a $20 million golden parachute
when he left to become Vice President, leads the way in profiteering
from the Iraq war (surprise, surprise). Patriciathomas is drinking
Bush's brand of Kool-Aid which if it doesn't kill you makes you have
amnesia & has an obvious hypnotic effect. "The interim report was
so positive" Ms Thomas writes. Oh really? The surge gets an F & the
Iraq govt's performance gets an F. You call that positive? Only a
Kool-Aid drinking zombie believes Bush's lies anymore. Tony Snow is a
prevaricating buffoon & Condi Rice doesn't even believe what she
says. Harry Smith & Bill O'Reilly give no credence to what Bush
admin officials say. The US is outsourcing execution of Al Qaeda
suspects to Sunni/Baath insurgents & arming them. This is stupid!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 08:46 am
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JRHCain, in view of your

JRHCain, in view of your mental problem I hesitate to respond to any of your rants, but out of respect to others that read these posts I feel compelled to reply. In most of your rants you mention the centuries old custom of almost constant war between the various factions in Iraq and surrounding areas, yet you still insist on a poloroid instant success against these faction when Bush is involved. You write, ad nauseam, about the tactics of this war as though you were some kind of expert and as though the terrorists don't change theirs constantly. The effort by the U.S. Army is now an urban door to door battle, supported by the Iraqi army, that is showing success after ONLY four weeks. You can, and will, remain negative on all things Bush. Today your rant is a convoluted attack on national defense, but that doesn't change fact. No successful attacks in this country in five years and some progress, finally, in the most violent regions of Iraq as well as the various sects working together to help rid their country of violence. Good stuff is happening at last. Nothing is instant.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/15/07 - 09:01 am
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Iraq had nothing to do with

Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on US on 9/11/01 or at any
time previous to that. NONE! By invading Iraq Bush has given Al Qaeda a
cause celebre for recruiting. Al Qaeda in Iraq did not exist before the
March 2003 US invasion of Iraq. Now it does. It has stood up while the
Iraq army has not. Fewer Iraq govt troops can operate independent of US
backup. The number of such 500 man battalions is down from 10 to
6. You call that progress, pt? Al Qaeda in Iraq attempted or inspired
recent car bomb attacks in London & the attack on Glasgow airport.
The 7/7/05 bombers of the London subway said they were motived by the
US invasion of Iraq. I will give you this. Al Qaeda in Iraq is not
likely able or interested in hitting United States. Al Qaeda central
command in Pakistan can & will. The war in Iraq has been a
distraction from the so-called war on terror not a central front.
Meanwhile violence in Pakistan is rapidly escalating. Musharraf is
hanging onto power by a hangnail. I have written that Hillary Clinton
will be the next POTUS unless Bush attacks Iran. I amend that to add
unless Pakistan & the region go up in flames. Then all bets are
off. We are now in an endless war.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 09:04 am
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Check your google, we're

Check your google, we're always in an endless war of one kind or another.

noctur55
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noctur55 07/15/07 - 09:34 am
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FYI PT, we've been fighting

FYI PT, we've been fighting door to door urban warfare since 2003 there. That's why the brits were so successful, more so than us, they have been trained for this. Most of our guys, except spec ops didnt start recieving this training until 03.
The name " Surge" has nothing to do with urban warfare.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 09:42 am
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noctur55,The difference, fyi,

noctur55,The difference, fyi, is that we're fighting door to door and holding what we clear instead of assuming the terrorists won't come back. The name surge has nothing to do with anything if you look at it as just a collection of letters.(I'm not so busy today, I'll be able to trade short anal comments with you all day.)

noctur55
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noctur55 07/15/07 - 09:46 am
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Well PT, I have alot of

Well PT, I have alot of yardwork to do today, a preggo wife and a 3 year old, so I won't be able to trade comments all day. I really do hope our boys can clear this rats nest out, I want all of our guys to come back home, with a real " mission accomplished" sign waiting for them. My whole problem is, we don't know for sure how long we can hold what we take. Especially if things escalate from yesterdays' shootout with Iraqi police, if they start turning on us, or continue to turn on us rather, things will be much uglier in Iraq.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 10:01 am
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noctur55, "it ain't easy",

noctur55, "it ain't easy", but it's within our grasp. For the most part, we're getting support from the Iraqi police. There are still a few squads that don't have the "national attitude" necessary to work toward a common goal, but most do. I don't expect to see a total capitulation by the anti-nationalists, but I do expect to see us reach a point where the Iraqi army and police will be able to get a grip on the situation. I don't expect to see it happen today or tomorrow, but I do expect to see it happen, if we're not forced to pull out because of D.C. politics. No matter who the next president is, we'll not just give up and come home. That would be way to stupid. We're still in Kosovo.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/15/07 - 10:05 am
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United States military

United States military personnel have been kicking in doors & brutalizing Iraqis for years. This is all counter-productive to what we want to do. Right now Bush is inflicting so much pain on ordinary Iraqis that they will not forgive or forget us when we leave. A Sunni tribal leader (I can find the reference) says Al Qaeda is way overestimated by US & multiple insurgent movements are way underestimated by US. He also said a huge percentage of Iraqis attacking American forces are revenge for previous incidents in which US forces brutalized Iraqis. United States is the aggressor & illegal occupier of Iraq. Until Americans & our leaders acknowledge this fact & correct our error of invading Iraq illegally then the violence will continue. United States owes vast sums of restitution to Iraqis for the violence we have perpertrated upon them. Noctur55 is unfortunately right when he says that Iraqi police are turning on Americans (all the Iraq govt forces - army and police - are infiltrated not just by the Mahdi Army but also by other Shia militias, by Sunni militias & by Al Qaeda). We have a hell of a mess on our hands. There will be no US troops coming home to "mission accomplished" signs

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I4Putt2007 07/15/07 - 10:29 am
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Is Cain on cocaine??? He

Is Cain on cocaine??? He seems to know absolutely everything about nothing. DC politics lost the war in Viet Nam and will certainly guarantee another loss for the best fighting men ever assembled again in Iraq. We are already past vast sums of restitutions to Iraqis. We are allowing them to have an opportunity for democratic freedoms. We could have simply said to the victor, go the spoils and taken our seat on OPEC. As is obviously his wish, CoCain has already decided the fate for US Troops in Iraq by his last sentence.........There will be no US troops coming home to "mission accomplished" signs

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/15/07 - 10:59 am
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PatriciaThomas was saying

PatriciaThomas was saying something about "new" US operations in Iraq being "different" this time because now we are "clearing and holding" territory. Bull! Fallujah has been cleared & lost 3 times, so has Ramadi, & now Baquba. There have been 3 previous surges on Baghdad. Each time Fallujah, Ramadi, & Baquba are left more bombed out shells. The US is upping the air war to fill the breach in the tremendous shortage of US troops. Today an AP article says a big drone called "The Reaper" is being dispatched to Iraq to rain down more death & destruction. Meanwhile Iraqi troops are not "holding" what US troops have cleared. You are laboring under delusions from swallowing Bush's lies, Ms Thomas. George W. Bush is a war criminal, a serial pathological liar, and a sociopath. This war won't stop until Bush & Cheney are stopped. BAGHDAD (AFP) - Top US commanders in Iraq said on Sunday they need more Iraqi troops to sustain ongoing security operations that could eventually help their own forces withdraw.// Making the case was Major Gen Rick Lynch, commander of US troops in central Iraq, who said a shortage of troops was forcing US commanders to recruit local people to guard their own homes.

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gagirl40 07/15/07 - 11:46 am
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Patriciathomas, you say, "Now

Patriciathomas, you say, "Now the door to door urban fighting that is called "the surge" with an Iraqi military that is finally trying to help the country instead of just the local imam, much progress is finally being made." Did you not hear Gen. Pace just the other day say "the number of battle-ready Iraqi battalions able to fight independently has dropped from 10 to six in recent months despite an increase in U.S. training efforts."???? Now that's straight from the horses mouth, not some "liberal-leftist slanting-media report" So who is right, you or Gen. Pace? There is no way to win this war in Iraq. We can only hope to get out of there with some modicum of respect that we had before our president invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. While you continue to drink the kool-aid your president and his cronies serve you, the rest of us will try to figure out how to fix this huge mess our president has gotten us into. I say, trisecting the country and evenly distributing the oil revenues is the only answer. Perhaps saner minds will prevail and try a political option in the near future. Sadly we may have to wait till Jan. 2009.

gagirl40
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gagirl40 07/15/07 - 12:01 pm
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Also the other day we find

Also the other day we find out Al Qaeda has GAINED support and numbers and their capability is as strong as it was BEFORE 9/11!!! Yea, we're winning the war on terror! Ask the rest of the world how safe our president's "war on terror" has made them. Thousands killed in terrorist attacks since 9/11, but hey, better them than us, right? While we've been in Iraq (instead of staying on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan) Al Qaeda has gotten stronger, larger and more capable. What else do you need as a gauge to tell you Bush's war on terror has been a huge failure? The very terrorist organization who killed thousands of Americans on 9/11 has GAINED support, numbers and capability...shouldn't a "War on Terror" have done just the opposite?

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hollyvann 07/15/07 - 12:09 pm
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"mama's & grandmama's love

"mama's & grandmama's love you.....that's all they know how to do......but, nobody plans for bombs in the sands......and sleeping in your dress blues......" JASON ISBELL (formerly of the drive by truckers) DRESS BLUES

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sjgraci 07/15/07 - 12:53 pm
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Just yesterday, Iraqi Prime

Just yesterday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said, "Iraqi forces are capable and American troops can leave anytime they want." "When the Iraqis stand up, we'll stand down." More empty rhetoric from W? In addition al-Maliki has problems with top US commander Gen. David Petraeus, who he said works along a "purley American vision." It is beyond time we get the Hell out of the Hell hole W created and let the Iraqis rebuild their own country. It is what they, the vast majority of Americans, and the rest of the world want.

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drcptsr 07/15/07 - 02:31 pm
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You are confusing wars with

You are confusing wars with nation-states and wars with terrorists. Also Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and was thrown out and humiliated by our overwhelming superiority. Sherman would have been proud. You seem to think that SH would have kept terrorists out of Iraq. They needed a place to train for their next terror attack, and the Taliban was defeated. Do you think that SH was a friend of the US and its allies after the Gulf War? Do you actually believe that the US can ignore the Middle East with its 2/3 of the world's proven oil reserves? Is turmoil in the ME not an economic threat to the US?

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gagirl40 07/15/07 - 03:20 pm
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drcptsr...Saddam Hussein and

drcptsr...Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden were bitter enemies. Bin Laden was angered at SH in the 80's when he was at war with Iran, and even more angry when SH used America's help in that war. That's also when he began hating us. SH was an ego-maniacal, secular leader and would never have allowed anyone into his country who might gain more loyalty or devotion than he demanded of his own people. He knew Bin Laden would have garnered such devotion among the more religious sects in his nation therefore he would never have allowed Al Qaeda to train there. Al Qaeda had a small amount of followers in the Kurdish area in northern Baghdad, but that area was not controlled by SH. Basically, Al Qaeda would have never had the massive numbers they have now in Iraq had we not invaded. And they already have a place to "train for their next terror attack". It's in the Afghanistan/Pakistan area where they've been all along. Had we focused all our efforts in that region instead of invading Iraq, Al Qaeda would be seriously wounded, not GAINING in strength like they are now! And there has always been and will always be turmoil in the ME, if we'd stay out of it we'd probably have less problems.

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Rozzie2003 07/15/07 - 03:34 pm
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Thank God for John Randolph

Thank God for John Randolph Hardison Cain.
It is almost hopeless what you are trying to do---
to educate these ignorant so called Conservaties.These people don't read anything but listen to Limbaugh and his bunch.
Even Trent Lott said that Rush and other talk radio hosts are dangerous to the well being of our country. Lott said that the Talk Radio Host fill people 's mind with misinformation and fear.

Rozzie2003
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Rozzie2003 07/15/07 - 03:34 pm
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Thank God for John Randolph

Thank God for John Randolph Hardison Cain.
It is almost hopeless what you are trying to do---
to educate these ignorant so called Conservaties.These people don't read anything but listen to Limbaugh and his bunch.
Even Trent Lott said that Rush and other talk radio hosts are dangerous to the well being of our country. Lott said that the Talk Radio Host fill people 's mind with misinformation and fear.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 07/15/07 - 04:30 pm
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Thank you Rozzie2003. I

Thank you Rozzie2003. I applaud skeptic griggsy, noctur55, sjgraci,
RichmondCountyResident, and others who paint a picture of reality.
gagirl40 knocks me out with her concise and accurate information.
Yesterday conservatives Scoobydo & mgroothand admitted it is time
to leave Iraq ... to Iraqis. There comes a time when anyone with good
sense says "Enough is Enough." Practical Americans have reached that
point. It remains to be seen how much damage US airpower will wreak on
Iraq before Commander-in-Chief Bush either expands the war to Iran, is
faced with a regional meltdown including civil war in nuclear armed
Pakistan, or this President or his successor issues orders for U.S.
forces to make an orderly redeployment out of Iraq. Right now the situation in Afghanistan is
rapidly deteriorating and violence in Pakistan is spiraling
exponentially upward. If Bush is looking for a bigger war he can
certainly find it and more than Crusader Bush bargains for. United States
does not have a military big enough or mighty enough to control
violence spanning from Lebanon to Pakistan and perhaps beyond. In the
immortal words of Malcom X, "It's time to cool it brothers (and
sisters)."

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 07/15/07 - 04:58 pm
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POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! (circa

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! (circa 1970 psycho)

gagirl40
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gagirl40 07/15/07 - 05:00 pm
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I agree Mr. Cain, and thanks

I agree Mr. Cain, and thanks for the compliment. I also enjoy your posts and wonder why some, KPC, PT, and others find it necessary to call you names every single day. Guess the truth is something they can't handle. Funny to me how some people, who pretend to be so inteligent, resort to such childishness when faced with facts they can't refute. Keep up the good work!

Dedicated
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Dedicated 07/15/07 - 05:28 pm
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I keep telling ya'll.....Cain

I keep telling ya'll.....Cain is an idiot.

Rose
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Rose 07/15/07 - 05:30 pm
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gagirl40, I feel the same

gagirl40, I feel the same way. Everyday some on here call cain stupid and idiot. That is childish to resort to name calling when someone disagrees with them.

Rose
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Rose 07/15/07 - 05:32 pm
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see what I mean?

see what I mean?

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