An economic disaster is looming

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For the next 20 or 30 years, our transportation system still will depend largely on oil. Alternative sources of energy being developed are slow and disappointing in some areas. Stampeding into ethanol from corn and other biomass, resulting in environmental damage, is not being discussed in the media. Ever-increasing demand for corn production has increased prices nearly 100 percent and affected the cost of livestock and food production.

With modern drilling methods, our undeveloped petroleum resources, such as the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, could have bridged the gap for the next 25 years to develop an alternative-fueled economy, including public transportation.

The Democrats and Socialists have forfeited our independence by curtailing production and refining so that now we are more than 61 percent dependent on foreign-oil dictators. Our automobile-driving society will pay $5 per gallon before demanding action from our politicians. It will be too late!

The United Nations' socialist agenda will bring our economy down to Third World standards - that is their goal! It will take a big disaster to shake Americans out of their complacency.

If you vote for this Democratic Party leadership, you will be putting a nail in your own coffin. Lower-income people will be hurt most because their Democrat "protectors" will have them pay exorbitant prices for food and fuel. And if the Democrats then increase entitlements, they also will bankrupt the good old U.S.A. Republicans, you had better shape up and prevent this disaster. We are running out of time!

Remember: Social Security is not a trust fund - not a trust, nor a fund. The money you contributed is gone.

Siegfried von Schweinitz, Appling

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Pay What U Owe
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Pay What U Owe 07/02/07 - 12:04 am
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Where do they find these

Where do they find these freaks anyway? We get 60% of our oil out of the country for sure. Half of that comes from Mexico and Canada, not foreign dictators. About 1/3rd comes from the Middle East and Venezula. Essentially, if we could reduce oil consumption by 20-30%, every country currently exerting economic pressure on the US would collapse. No one to fund terrorists. No reason for terrorists to attack as we would no longer be competing for their resources (I am sure this whacko buys the "they hate us cuz we're free" propganda). Moreover, Canada has oil reserves of over 1 trillion barrels. Problem is it has sand in it. Getting rid of teh sand is costly but worth it if the price is high enough. If we would be so kind as to pay what Europe does for gas, we would help our Canadian cousins make money instead of Arab oil cartels in cahoots with American petoleum corporations. But no .....we need to fund Haliburton instead. It's the American thing to do. Pass me the keys to my hummer, would you?

wsm141
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wsm141 07/02/07 - 06:01 am
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Pay What U Owe I have a

Pay What U Owe I have a question or two. What do you do for a living? And just where did you get your information?

fd1962
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fd1962 07/02/07 - 08:07 am
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The Dems and Socialists have
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The Dems and Socialists have forfeited our independence and will bankrupt the country soon if given the chance? Republican saviors arise? Oh, really. From what I have noticed the last six years, the GOP have been the ones who have nearly tripled the deficit by a factor of trillions, ignored alternative fuels, and allowed our refining capacity to deteriorate. Bush's War has been financed with borrowed money legacied to the necks of the next two generations. And how does Herr Doomsday think that Ethanol is manufactured anyhow? It takes 20% more energy to produce a gallon of Ethanol than the product provides. We can't stand much more Republican management, but those pesky Democrats have done it again.

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concernednative 07/02/07 - 09:03 am
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Thank you fd1962. It seems

Thank you fd1962. It seems everyone has forgotten that republicans had all the power for six years. And they had Congress for 12 years. I guess the democrat led Congress with the slimest of majority created all these problems in six months. With a Republican president with veto power. Schweinitz, you are exhibit A on what is wrong with America no facts or solutions just party rhetoric. We don't need people like you in America. I am not a Newt fan but I will support him if he has solutions come September not just mindless party rhetoric.

Pay What U Owe
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Pay What U Owe 07/02/07 - 10:14 am
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WSW, what I do for a living

WSW, what I do for a living is highly technical, pays well and creates high-paying professional jobs and will likely be moving to Athens within 5 years. The info I cited is common enough to find with anyone using internet. The simplest is the EIA from the department of enegery. Links are hard to provide here but I will try.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epc0_im0_mbblpd...

Information on oil sands (tar sands) can be found on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_sands

The Knave
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The Knave 07/02/07 - 10:20 am
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My dear Siegfried: I have no

My dear Siegfried: I have no love for either of the political dog packs -- Republi-cons or Demon-rats. (Any citizen who places his/her confidence in either of these criminal enterprises should be stripped of the right to vote, as by doing so, he/she has proven themselves to be intellectually inadequate.) However, it is King George II and his band of thieves that are spending our tax dollars to subsidize the ethanol cartel, to the tune of 50 cents + per gallon. The entire situation makes no sense unless one views it through the dark lens of political payoffs and corporate welfare. KG II and his cronies have expanded the empire beyond the limits ever dreamed by the Demon-rats, and ALL empires fail. --- "The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread to the law courts. And then to the army, and finally the Republic was subjected to the rule of emperors." : Plutarch (46 A.D.-127 A.D.) Historian of the Roman Republic

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johnsmith 07/02/07 - 11:07 am
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Pay What...you actually

Pay What...you actually present a well-reasoned (if flawed) argument, until the point that you tell us to "keep paying Halliburton." Um...ok? Not sure what that has to do with Exxon...Chevron...Citgo...

jack
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jack 07/02/07 - 11:19 am
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Am tired of hearing from the

Am tired of hearing from the Left the "Halliburton" mantra to smear Bush and Cheney (especially Cheney), when what you never hear from the left is that BJ Cliton hired them with a no bid contract for our Balkan military operations.

Pay What U Owe
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Pay What U Owe 07/02/07 - 11:28 am
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John and jack, thanks for you

John and jack, thanks for you noninformative contributions to the thread. The point was that we have a Middle-East centric policy simply because it benefits corporations that profit from it (Haliburton, the oil industry, defense contractors, etc). As the saying goes, follow the money. I don't think anyone objects to the existence of the corporations or govt contracts with them in so far as the people make the policy and the govt seeks the contracts. As Knave pointed out, when policy decisions are made to generate contract oppurtunities (no one intelligent thinks anything else is going on over there), the people get cut out of the loop and you end up with the administration we have now. It did not originate with Bush (originated post-Eisenhower, accelerated under Reagan and fulmionated under Bush II) and every president has not done enough to get the energy issue under control. But this, ultimately, America, and the power lies with the people. As long as we think playing whack-a-mole with the terrorists in the MidEast is a reasonable price for cheap gas, we will have the policy we have now: our boys will die, our country will be a target and ultimately, we still pay for the gas.

johnsmith
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johnsmith 07/02/07 - 11:58 am
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But Pay What, if your thesis

But Pay What, if your thesis were correct, then we would have stood aside and allowed Saddam Hussein to occupy Kuwait. After all, until the moment his troops crossed the border, he was considered by many to be a US ally, was selling huge amts of oil to US allies (almost none to us, but to Japan et al.), and was keeping the global price of oil down, while still allowing for huge profits for oil companies (don't forget that the profit *margin* has not changed at all for that industry). Thus, by simply declaring Kuwait an internal matter, Bush Sr. could have delivered huge benefits to that shadowy "Big Oil" group you all keep referring to, Halliburton could have had huge contracts for Iraq, in Kuwait, etc., etc. In other words, your assessment of the various actors' motivation does not wash. It never has made any sense, which is why you don't put forth any actual facts to support your position. You CALL them facts, but saying "no one intelligent thinks anything else is going on over there" is not the same as producing data, just as saying "Bush lied" doesn't make that true, and "Halliburton" is running the country...well...you see the trend, here...

Pay What U Owe
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Pay What U Owe 07/02/07 - 12:11 pm
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That is precisely the

That is precisely the relationship we had with Saddam until he flagrantly broke the law. There was no way Bush could declare it "an internal matter" once he invaded another ally (when he attacked Iran, no one cared). Worse, had we ignored Kuwait, he would be bumping up close to the Saudis and since they pay the Bush Family bills, daddy had to jump. You are also splitting hairs on the mideast in general. As long as teh ModEast is unstable and the price of oil is high, the companie will reap record profits whether things go relatively well or not. In teh Machivellian sense, it's a perfect scam. It does not further our long term interests or stave off teh inevitable depletion of that resource. The real question is why don't we invest more as a people (we do they through the feds) in other forms of energy? The points raised in this thread are the answer.

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drcptsr 07/02/07 - 12:24 pm
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Please see Popular Science,

Please see Popular Science, June 2007, p66 for an internal combustion engine with 40% better efficiency. A master mechanic (my son-in-law) called it 'intriguing'. This reasonable modification to current-day engines adds an additional power cycle powered by steam. Imagine vehicles using 40% or even 30% less fuel. We already have enough fuel for thousands of years. Coal is dirty. Nuclear is scary - particularly to those ignorant of science. Solar power is costly but getting cheaper. Wind power is costly (and kills birds) but getting cheaper. Hybrids are costly but getting cheaper. Each has pros and cons. None will replace gasoline soon because the energy yield ratio of oil is over 10 and ethanol is only about 1.14 EYRs for crop-based ethanol do not include energy needed to prepare for, plant, fertilize and harvest to crop. We are subsidizing American farmers by making Brazilian ethanol more expensive (tariffs). So much for free trade!

imdstuf
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imdstuf 07/02/07 - 02:34 pm
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Neither major party will let

Neither major party will let alternative fuels edge in too fast because the lobbyists will not allow it.

imdstuf
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imdstuf 07/02/07 - 02:37 pm
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Oh, lets not forget there was

Oh, lets not forget there was a fully electric car in the 1990s, and that was phased out quietly and now, with newer technology we just have hybrids. Besides the lobbyist controlled government also lets not forget the oil industry probably has dealings with the auto industry as well that keeps them from producing cars as energy efficient as they actually could be. You can call it a conspiracy, but if you dig up research on efficiency in automobiles through they years it is obvious that what we have today is not showing what they could truly produce with today's technology.

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dwb619 07/02/07 - 06:39 pm
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Rent the movie,Syrianna.

Rent the movie,Syrianna.

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bone 07/02/07 - 11:49 pm
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couldn't keep my eyes open

couldn't keep my eyes open during syrianna - one of the few movies i have deemed unwatchable. what's it about, anyway? please don't make me sit thru that borefest again.

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