We're the original 'illegal immigrants'

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It is pretty bad when people of other countries come to your country, uninvited, and proceed to take advantage of all you have to offer. They say they are seeking a better life, and some do strive for a better life by obeying the laws in their new land, learning the language and becoming productive citizens. But in many cases, when they can't achieve this through the proper channels, they choose to take what they want by force since they feel they have the right to because they are at a disadvantage.

Many people feel that way about the problem of illegal immigrants. But I'm actually referring to the settling of these United States. Everyone here is an illegal immigrant, unless you are the descendants of the original "Americans."

Europeans, mainly, came to this land more than 400 years ago and took it for themselves, and have since claimed it as theirs with a total disregard for the native people. "Illegal immigrants" enslaved and slaughtered these native peoples in the name of God, as these people were considered less than human and therefore were better off being annihilated or hidden from the view of the public.

So the next time anyone wants to complain about illegal immigrants, research your genealogy. Research the Statue of Liberty, which displays a plaque that reads in part, "Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses ... ."

Rick James, Wagener, S.C.

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keysandlocks
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keysandlocks 06/30/07 - 03:12 am
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Maybe the Statue of Liberty

Maybe the Statue of Liberty plaque ought to say "LEGALLY bring us........". That ought to clear things up for folks like Mr. James.

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mgroothand 06/30/07 - 08:36 am
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I don't understand how Mr.

I don't understand how Mr. James can make the statement "Everyone here is an illegal immigrant, unless you are the descendants of the original "Americans". There has been a lot of immigration to this country since the original settlers, most of which was legal. I know I came here legally, green card and all.

LBenedict
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LBenedict 06/30/07 - 08:38 am
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Yeah, our ancestors came here

Yeah, our ancestors came here from another land...but let's use your "reasoning" ALL THE WAY. They learned English and worked hard to support their families. There were not instructions written in 100 languages, English as a second language draining the school systems' resources, and oh by the way, no social programs, free this, and free that. They came here, learned English, and supported themselves and families...they also became legal residents and paid taxes! Get real Rick!

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Carleton Duvall 06/30/07 - 08:50 am
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This is the most ridiculous

This is the most ridiculous analogy I have ever read. Since the original settlers stole it from The Indians we are suppose to give to the Mexicans. If he wants to correct the situation why doesn't he suggest we give it back to the Indians.(Oops, Native Americans)

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 06/30/07 - 09:00 am
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Nice letter Rick. The common

Nice letter Rick. The common thread between the genocide of Native Americans at the hands of white European "immigrants" and today's hysteria over Hispanic immigrants is racial and cultural prejudice. Europeans looked down at the Native Americans they found when they got here, and now they look down at Hispanics trying to get in.
Of course opposition to Hispanic immigration is couched in legalities, making it seem that the opponents' real concern is the legal status of Hispanics, but the racism and sense of cultural superiority underlying this verbal subterfuge are not hard to detect. I doubt that if all currently "illegal" Hispanic immigrants somehow became legal, they suddenly would be embraced as fellow Americans by the Rabid Right.

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patriciathomas 06/30/07 - 09:08 am
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What a wonderful letter. I

What a wonderful letter. I can think on only a few words to discribe it: trite, silly, banal, musty, vapid, uninspired and unoriginal. Thank you, Mr James, for your near thought. You add so much to the editorial page.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 06/30/07 - 09:09 am
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You are way off base as you

You are way off base as you usually are, effe etc etc

bone
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bone 06/30/07 - 09:10 am
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can't say i detect the

can't say i detect the underlying cultural superiority or racism, effete. what i do sense is a nation of laws becoming somehow less able to enforce its own requirements for citizenship. the privileges and rights of citizenship are different the than those of other countries; a person who wishes to enjoy the liberties here should be willing to do all that past generations have done. the rabid (radical) right would embrace as many as the loopy left: both sides are desperate for anyone who will accept dogma as a substitute for logic.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 06/30/07 - 09:12 am
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Thank you effete elitist

Thank you effete elitist liberal, your beautifully worded letter is equaled only by the brilliance of Mr. James letter.

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johnsmith 06/30/07 - 09:12 am
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Um, folks? The Native

Um, folks? The Native Americans were immigrants, too... Good night, are we really going to try to do "do-overs" all over the planet? And how exactly would that benefit anyone...?

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getalife 06/30/07 - 09:31 am
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How far do we go back to

How far do we go back to determine who is legal and who is illegal, Adam and Eve?? What we are talking about is a direct violation of the laws of this land. People that come here illegally and won't learn English and want to partake of the social programs (Welfare, Social Security, Health Systems) that are already in trouble without adding 12-20 million more people.

ldsmith
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ldsmith 06/30/07 - 09:35 am
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I think Mr. James

I think Mr. James inadventantly makes the opposing point. If the native americans had at their disposal an organized rule of law , the means to protect their borders, and the guts to use the means they had, then the world would be a very different place today. They were unable to effectively protect what they claimed as their own and eventually lost it. Perhaps that is not "fair", but that is the way it has worked throughout history. Those of us who are fearful of illegal immigration and frustratred over our leaders' unwillingness to protect our way of life do not want to see that history repeated.

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effete elitist liberal 06/30/07 - 09:38 am
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It is clear, Scoobydo and

It is clear, Scoobydo and patriciathomas, that you do not agree with my argument about the racism and cultural prejudice underlying the anti-Hispanic immigration hysteria. But Scoobydo offers no counterargument at all and patriciathomas offers only sarcasm. My argument stands unrefuted until someone comes up with better arguments to prove I'm wrong. I'll stand by....

bone
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bone 06/30/07 - 09:45 am
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just because someone says

just because someone says "red" is "green" doesn't mean an argument is unrefuted, effete. i would counter your assertion by asking you to prove that racism & cultural superiority are factors in this issue. i can't think of anyone that argues against the work ethic & sense of family that latin american cultures are known for. your claim of racism is more insidious: thru specious reasoning, you imply that anyone who believes in the wisdom of controlled immigration is against hispanics. prove your point, effete - i'm against amnesty, but i am not a racist.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 06/30/07 - 09:47 am
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sarcasm and truth are often

sarcasm and truth are often closely related and remove the need to respond to baseless comments, except with sarcasm. Liberal ideas often can only receive sarcastic response to avoid out and out insult.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 06/30/07 - 09:49 am
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dang it bone, you refuted my

dang it bone, you refuted my comment before I could post it.

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_kpc_ 06/30/07 - 09:51 am
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It would be easy to agree

It would be easy to agree with your argument about racism if you would present any evidence of it. Your logic seems to break down when you try. It's not the best defense to present some inane opinion as if it were a fact, then stand back and say something to the effect of "This is true until you prove me wrong." I'll demonstrate. "I saw bigfoot walking down Broad Street last night. My statement stands unrefuted until someone comes up with proof that I'm wrong."

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 06/30/07 - 09:54 am
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I guess eff etc etc that what

I guess eff etc etc that what I was trying to say is that you are in left field to make a blanket accusation that anyone opposed to illegal immigration is a racist. That is just as ridiculous as me calling you a communist for thinking it is OK. If you don't think that there are legitimate reasons for wanting our borders closed then you have the problem not the rest of us.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 06/30/07 - 09:55 am
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thank you kpc, I now feel

thank you kpc, I now feel unrefuted.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 06/30/07 - 10:08 am
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Let's see.....how to dispute

Let's see.....how to dispute effete elitist liberal........ Hmmm....I'm the decendant of European immigrants, and I don't "look down" on Hispanic immigrants. Wow....that was pretty darn easy. Looks like you are disputed, and wrong, effete elitist liberal.

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LaTwon 06/30/07 - 10:22 am
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eel does it make you feel

eel does it make you feel superior to call everyone a racist? is your opinion that much more superior that we must be labled?
could you give me some characteristics of the immigrants race that makes us all hate them please? or just explain why we hate them period.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 06/30/07 - 10:27 am
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How about, effe etc etc, me

How about, effe etc etc, me telling you that I would object to illegal immigrants even if they were all my clones. Would that convince you that I am not a racist?

VoteRepublican
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VoteRepublican 06/30/07 - 10:32 am
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you are a complete idiot!!!!

you are a complete idiot!!!!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 06/30/07 - 10:40 am
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well said no-to-amnesty! Who

well said no-to-amnesty! Who were you exclaiming at?

bone
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bone 06/30/07 - 10:44 am
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standing by, effete...

standing by, effete...

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 06/30/07 - 10:50 am
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Bone, I am afraid that effete

Bone, I am afraid that effete has been overwhelmed. It is obvious that he/she is no Cain

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Philo-Publis 06/30/07 - 10:54 am
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Look, its not like we don't

Look, its not like we don't want foreign people in our country!

The only thing we are saying is, for the love of all that is holy, DO IT THE RIGHT WAY! If you are going to attend our tax-funded schools, if you are going to use our health care systems, if you are going to work for our employers, if you are going to utilize our utilities, start paying our taxes! Why don't people understand this?

Can you go to McDonald’s and expect to eat a burger without paying for it?

Then How can we say it isn't fair to make people accept our laws and abide by them?

Now, for the ridiculous analogy...
There were no immigration laws when the European settlers came to this country, in fact, there was no sovereign country. Therefore there was no reason to not settle here.

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_kpc_ 06/30/07 - 11:14 am
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Thank God for that, Scoob!

Thank God for that, Scoob! One is more than enough! But we won't be hearing from him much anyway. He's going to get press credentials and go to Iraq....that is if someone gets them for him, because he won't even ask.

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tdc 06/30/07 - 11:23 am
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eel---all borders,

eel---all borders, territories, countries, etc...have been determined by acts of war, takeover, and majority rule since we, as homosapians, have become domesticated. It is true that Europeans of Anglo/Saxon descend, came to what we now know as America, and claimed it for their own. It is true that, what we now call Native Americans, were here before Europeans, but they lost the rights of the land through acts of war. Do you disagree with the "Native Americans" fighting the "white eye" for this land? i don't. They lost, the land became "Europeanized" and has been converted into the greatest civilization to ever inhabit Earth. How come you disagree, with Americans wanting to fight to keep this country from becoming "Hispanicnized"? Your name says it all. You have the misinterpretation that these "future dems" would be just in their rule of your new "Americana", but you and your grandchildren will be painfully mistaken.

bone
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bone 06/30/07 - 11:25 am
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you're probably right,

you're probably right, scoobydo. but effete is correct about one thing: the anti-hispanic hysteria is causing racial problems. if only the legal hispanic immigrants could see the damage that illegal hispanic immigration is doing to the mindset of u.s. citizens...everytime a broadcast shows illegal hispanic immigrants protesting, i am both proud to know they have the ability to gather together in this country & angry that they have somehow been encouraged to believe they should be granted rights as u.s. citizens to peacefully assemble & air grievances.

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