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It's nowhere near scientific. But it's an outpouring.

And our leaders should take note.

We editorialized last Sunday in favor of the "Fair Tax" - a national sales tax that would replace income, payroll and other federal taxes and end the reign of the IRS.

It's not getting a lot of attention in the mainstream media. But it's an idea that is bubbling up from the grass roots, as evidenced by a Fair Tax rally May 15 across the street from the Republican presidential debate in Columbia, S.C.

Further evidence of its grass-roots popularity comes as a result of last Sunday's editorial: A poll at augustachronicle.com the day after the editorial asked readers, "Are you in favor of replacing federal income and payroll-based taxes with a federal sales tax, more commonly referred to as Fair Tax?"

The result: Responses far outnumbered those from our other online polls, and 84 percent of the respondents said "Yes."

That's an outpouring.

Fair Tax champion and rally speaker Neal Boortz - who has published one book on the Fair Tax with U.S. Rep. John Linder of Georgia, with another coming out soon - says that the people are going to educate themselves on this subject to the point where they cannot any longer be ignored by politicians and the mainstream media.

Our poll results suggest he is right on target.

And that the people are already well on their way to educating themselves on it.

That's what it's going to take.

During recent national elections, the issue has been demagogued by some politicians who simply lied and said their opponents' support of the Fair Tax amounted to support of a tax increase. How disingenuous! In actuality, Boortz says, it's a historic power shift from the government - which monitors your income and checks your receipts and considers you guilty until proven innocent each April 15 - to the people, who control what they buy and when.

Other opponents prey upon the legitimate and heartfelt concerns of those who worry that the tax will be regressive and hurt the poor. But those opponents are being just as disingenuous: The Fair Tax proposal is structured to provide relief to low-income families.

The augustachronicle.com poll shows people will find this all out, whether the mainstream media help them or not.

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markwardlaw
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markwardlaw 05/26/07 - 03:52 am
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The problem with most flat

The problem with most flat tax schemes is that they eliminate the mortgage interest deduction. Those of us who live in expensive parts of the country, such as the San Francisco area, would be screwed. Try making the monthly payment on a home in a market where the median price is $600,000 (or more) without being able to take this deduction at the end of the year.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/26/07 - 05:55 am
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markwardlaw, the Fair Tax is

markwardlaw, the Fair Tax is not a flat tax scheme. It's a consumption tax. Please, read the book. It's inexpensive and an easy read. Short, too. The only time you pay tax on a house is when it's a new purchase, used houses don't get taxed. Boortz's new book is on debunking the misconceptions and misunderstandings of the Fair Tax plan. He's making it real easy to learn what the Fair Tax is and real hard for the MSM and politicians to ignore.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/26/07 - 06:11 am
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Neal Boortz is a baffoon, and

Neal Boortz is a baffoon, and Republicans like John Linder are responsible for the economic hole we are in. Having a self-proclaimed libertarian talkshow host who backs every war and military expenditure Bush makes, uses the term "Islamofascists" liberally, and sarcastically mocks "the peaceful religion of Islam" doesn't speak well for the academic bonafides underlying the so-called "fair tax". This is like commissioning the guy who wrecked your car to fix it. Boortz constantly attacks the federal government. He is part of the throw the baby out with the bathwater crowd - or more specifically part of the "cut government down to a size so that it can be strangled like a baby in a bathtub" crowd. Fiscally conservative Republicans who want tax reform or social security reform first have to show their party can produce balanced budgets and generate tax surpluses. When they do that for several years and begin to pay down the national debt, then and only then are they to be trusted with tax reform of any kind. First balance the budget. Bill Clinton did it. The cut -taxes-and-spend Republicans (and Neal Boortz is a liberatrian in name only) haven't done that. Bush broke the piggy bank.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/26/07 - 07:02 am
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Mr. Cain, First the obvious

Mr. Cain, First the obvious response, Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Only easily tricked people who refused to see how his little "slight of hand" worked would say such a thing. Second, and most obvious, you haven't read The Fair Tax Plan. You are just throwing punches because socialism-is-you. You know there's no repair for the current system. Replacing it isn't throwing the baby out, it's throwing the water out. The most recent report shows the revenue collected by the federal government is MUCH higher then before the tax cuts. It's spending that's the problem. Our latest congress has just introduced a bill that will raise federal spending by 3 trillion dollars. Let's hope you are as adament about fighting this bill as you are about all things Bush.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/26/07 - 07:39 am
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patricia....it's obvious that

patricia....it's obvious that one who wants socialism wouldn't like the fair tax. That would require all people to contribute.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/26/07 - 08:18 am
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JRHC is the most twisted ,

JRHC is the most twisted , pathetic man that I ever known about. He is obsessed with his views. He must be extremely unhappy. He cannot carry on a debate without foaming at the mouth. I pity him(well, not really)

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/26/07 - 08:20 am
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Some day he will probably be

Some day he will probably be found in mid rant at his computer, victim of a stroke.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/26/07 - 08:25 am
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Ya'll have fun today...I'm

Ya'll have fun today...I'm off to fish.

giveitsomethought
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giveitsomethought 05/26/07 - 09:34 am
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Pathetic, Just about every

Pathetic, Just about every post here is. Any form of tax will be unfair to some one. See if this attracts the Piranha's. 10% across the board no deductions, all income taxed. Now who is going to be the first to make a personal attack and who is going to attack the idea and not give a alternative idea?

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/26/07 - 09:53 am
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Rickster, I don't think you

Rickster, I don't think you have thought your proposal through.
My alternative is the fair tax

curly123053
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curly123053 05/26/07 - 10:03 am
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Having gone to the FairTax

Having gone to the FairTax rally in Columbia and having been following the FairTax for over a year now, I know that those who are against the FairTax Plan either have not taken the time to read up on it or they are deliberately trying to mislead. There is nothing hard about the FairTax if you take the time to read it with an open mind.
Someone with a liberal-socialistic view will take the FairTax and turn it around in an effort to mislead and confuse others with lies and manufactored fears.
The bottom line is that the FairTax will take the taxing power from the government and give it to you and me, the taxpayers. Millions across the country have signed on to support the FairTax and the Mainstream Media and politicians WILL NOT be able to ignore us for long.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/26/07 - 10:23 am
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Those with questions can go

Those with questions can go to FairTax.org for all the info you need on the amendment, or call 1-800-FAIRTAX and they will answer your questions and address your concerns. Get educated on the FairTax !

Pay What U Owe
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Pay What U Owe 05/26/07 - 12:23 pm
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What none of these plans are

What none of these plans are saying is what the tax rate would actually be. A 10% flat tax on either income or consumption ('fair tax") would be radically insufficient to support even basic functions of governance. It would probably be closer to 20%, which is a lot more than what most people pay now (but would be a great boon to those of us in the 6-figure salary set like myself - The Max Burns tax would save me a five-figure number). Rather than show your ignorance online, why not work to get some sort of flat tax in Georgia and see if you like it? We had no state income tax when I lived in Seattle. It sounds nice but the sales taxes was about 8% and fees associated with anything were sky-high (I drove an old beater and the car tags were $500 15 years ago). Property taxes made your eyes bleed (since local towns had to pay for the stuff the state could not longer afford). One of the problems with tying things to consumption tho is that it tends to spiral downward if something bad happens. A downturn in the economy weakens the states ability to intervene directly and distribute resources when times are tight. Bad to worse becomes the order of the day. But you can always try it ....

LaTwon
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LaTwon 05/26/07 - 02:14 pm
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any thing that limits govt is

any thing that limits govt is a good thing. we are taxed to death and govt fails most of the time. here are the graduation rates for augusta. i am sure they think they need mo money........
Zip State County High School Congressional District 2005
30906 GA RICHMOND BUTLER HIGH SCHOOL 12 45.50%.........
30906 GA RICHMOND GLENN HILLS HIGH SCHOOL 12 37.30%... 30906 GA RICHMOND CROSS CREEK HIGH SCHOOL 12 52.80%.
30901 GA RICHMOND LANEY HIGH SCHOOL 12 32.40%.......
30901 GA RICHMOND JOSEY HIGH SCHOOL 12 45.40%.......
30901 GA RICHMOND JOHNSON MAGNET 12 77.50%...............
30901 GA RICHMOND DAVIDSON MAGNET SCHOOL 12 91.20%..
30906 GA RICHMOND BUTLER HIGH SCHOOL 12 45.50%.........
30906 GA RICHMOND GLENN HILLS HIGH SCHOOL 12 37.30%... 30906 GA RICHMOND CROSS CREEK HIGH SCHOOL 12 52.80%.
30904 GA RICHMOND ACADEMY OF RICHMOND COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL 12 60.30%

privatization and competition is the key. not more regulations and beaurocrats. how are these kids going to compete?

curly123053
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curly123053 05/26/07 - 02:40 pm
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There will be a 23% federal

There will be a 23% federal sales tax at the cash register with the FairTax implemented. All federal income taxes, medicare taxes, and social security taxes will no longer be taken from our paychecks. Everybody who buys goods from our stores, and eats in our restaurants will be helping support our country whether they are visiting from overseas or here illegally.
Once again I will say go to fairtax.org to see how this will be implemented. If you are posting here then you have internet capabilities. There is not enough room here to post all of the benefits of the FairTax.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/26/07 - 04:04 pm
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When a manufacturer sell an

When a manufacturer sell an item he charges sales tax. When the distributor sells the same item to the wholesaler he charges a sales tax. When the wholesaler sells it to the retailer he charges a sales tax and when the retailer sells it to the consumer a sales tax is once again charged. All of these taxes are passed on to the next buyer and finally manifest themselves in higher prices to the consumer. This is an example of hidden taxes. With the institution of the fair tax, all of the hidden taxes disappear. The Fair Tax is a book worth reading.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/26/07 - 04:11 pm
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I have to agree the FairTax

I have to agree the FairTax is gaining momentum in SC. I attended the Memorial Day parade in Aiken today and I had my FairTax signs on my car and I got several positive responses from parade participants and spectators. One man even asked if I had an extra FairTax bumper sticker, which luckily I did. Several states have already introduced legislation to replace their state income tax with a Fair Tax. After attending the Columbia rally I am sure there would be enough support in SC for such an amendment.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/26/07 - 04:13 pm
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patriciathomas....thank you

patriciathomas....thank you for your support. If people would take the time to research the FairTax there would be a massive wave of support.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/26/07 - 04:40 pm
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PT, I support the fair tax

PT, I support the fair tax but you are mistaken about the mfg. charginga sales tax etc. The only one that pays a sales tax is the consumer. Check on this

CantTrustaDumbocrat
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CantTrustaDumbocrat 05/26/07 - 05:48 pm
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I too have been following the

I too have been following the fair tax for a year or so and think it is the best plan available. Clearly the one we have now is NOT working at all. One major factor that I like about the consumer (fair tax) is just what Curly said, Everybody pays. The illegals pay, visitors to our country would pay and even those who do not report their income will pay, thus taking the burden off of people who try to do right. For example, even drug dealers who do not report any income will shop at Wal-Mart so they will be paying taxes now. That alone is good enough reason for me to vote for it!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/26/07 - 09:40 pm
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Scoobydo, I'm pretty sure

Scoobydo, I'm pretty sure every time money changes hands the government gets its cut. The handeling fee that goes to the tax man may not be called sales tax, but the charge is still there and each transaction is padded so the purchaser pays the government cut. The increased cost to the consumer only shows the final 7% (or whatever) but you can bet that a substantial part of the cost was the padding to cover the other tax-like charges. The social security plus income tax plus the current 7% sales tax comes to about 23%. The Fair Tax system is revenue neutral. You'll be able to see where your money goes. No 'matching s.s. funds' that the employee pays with lower wages. No taxing money already taxed. The system isn't fool proof or perfect, but it's significantly better then the cobbled together mess we have now. No more IRS seizing your property or auditing you or threatening you so you have to many anxeity attacks.

hwduncan
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hwduncan 05/26/07 - 10:21 pm
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So the "taxing" is in my

So the "taxing" is in my hands, which means that if I buy nothing, I pay no taxes... of course, I'll starve, but that's the idea, isn't it. I suggest each of you who are in the "middling class" go to the website so often referred to in these comments and enter on its calculator your income as shown on your latest tax return, then enter the income as shown on Mr. Bush's and Mr. Cheney's returns (by the way these are items of public information) and see just who "wins" from this "Fair Tax." And for more exercise, enter the income of those in the lower economic rungs. Yes, the lower earners are treated fairly: Yes, the upper earners no longer suffer an "oppressive" tax. Unfortunately, the middle income earner (you and me) continues to carry the burden of these "fair tax" exponents. Be careful of what you wish, for you will surely get it!

curly123053
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curly123053 05/26/07 - 10:28 pm
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We will all win under the

We will all win under the Fair Tax!

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/26/07 - 10:49 pm
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The so-called fair tax is a

The so-called fair tax is a political non-starter. It is stone-cold
DOA. Why hasn't John Linder introduced a tax reform bill? This is just
a distraction. A Democrat controlled Congress can not be forced and
should not be forced into precipitous action. The first step is to get
rid of Bush era tax cuts and raise taxes on those making more than
$200,000 a year. President Hillary Clinton has no interest in a "fair
tax" AFAIK. Democrats are in control now. You know what you Libertarians
and Repugs can do with your "fair tax". I maintain that corporate tax
laws need to be rewritten so that corporations who do business in this
country have obligations to the society in which they make profits and
are required by law to pay their fair share too.

hwduncan
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hwduncan 05/26/07 - 11:09 pm
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Remember, that in order to be

Remember, that in order to be "revenue neutral," as each of the governments effected (local, state and federal) will require (insist upon) and as is "sold" here by the proponents, the new "fair tax" will require you to pay 38% above the present price of each item you buy. (No, your state income taxes and state sales taxes won't go away, nor will your local option sales taxes, so in Georgia add 6% for state taxes and in Richmond County add 7% for state sales and local option taxes so now your marginal tax is atleast 51% [good grief, who knows how much the state and federal taxes on gas are, but they won't go away either]). And if you truly believe in the capitalistic system, you understand that no one does anything unless it is in his/her best economic interest - that's what makes markets work - therefore, "caveat emptor." Be sure that the goods you are being sold here are the goods you wish to buy. It's naive to think that nicely wrapped packages are all gifts.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/27/07 - 07:40 am
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PT< your second post on taxes

PT< your second post on taxes is closer to being correct than your first which only mentioned sales taxes. I say again that the consumer is the only one to pay sales tax.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/27/07 - 09:15 am
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When the Fair Tax is enacted

When the Fair Tax is enacted there will no longer be any of the imbedded federal taxes that are tacked onto products before they even reach the store counters. The prices we see for products ranging from a loaf of bread to a new car all have these imbedded taxes that we do not see, but which we are all paying. With the Fair Tax, these imbedded federal taxes will no longer exist and the products will then come to us without the addition of these taxes. This means these products will be priced lower without the imbedded taxes attached to them. I can tell hwduncan has not researched the FairTax or he would not be feeding mis-information to others. Go to fairtax.org or call 1-800-FAIRTAX to become educated properly on the FairTax.

east2009
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east2009 05/27/07 - 09:48 am
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Scooby, If you read the

Scooby, If you read the following quote from PT, you will see that she was saying that FT would elimate the embedded taxes currently being charged at the different stages. It appears you were confusing her statement to mean that FT would impose a sales tax at each stage between production and the retail counter. Seems to me she was talking about the current system when said: "When a manufacturer sell an item he charges sales tax. When the distributor sells the same item to the wholesaler he charges a sales tax. When the wholesaler sells it to the retailer he charges a sales tax and when the retailer sells it to the consumer a sales tax is once again charged. All of these taxes are passed on to the next buyer and finally manifest themselves in higher prices to the consumer. This is an example of hidden taxes. With the institution of the fair tax, all of the hidden taxes disappear."

east2009
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east2009 05/27/07 - 10:03 am
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I am getting a better handle

I am getting a better handle on JRHC. I believe he is still mourning over the election of a Conservative in France. Maybe we should be more sensitive to his feelings at such a horrible time in his life.

The likes of Stalin are smiling up at you, JRHC. I hope this provides some comfort to you. I trust that you are aware that when your Socialist utopia finally arives here, you will no longer be free to make statements against your President and other Members of "The Party". In fact, you can probably kiss your Internet connection goodbye. You won't have to worry about how corporate profits are used because your utopian government will see to it that all profits, which will belong to the government after nationalizing all of the industries, are spent in a fashion most favorable to the ruling class. Don't worry, they'll make sure that you receive the bare neccesities to stay alive...a loaf of bread, a "liter" of milk and maybe some occasional meat. The Department of Re-Education will provide your children with 3 or 4 years of the best education that a socialist government's money can buy. There is little they won't learn about working in the coal mines and other exciting occupations

east2009
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east2009 05/27/07 - 10:25 am
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Quoted From Pay What You

Quoted From Pay What You Owe
"What none of these plans are saying is what the tax rate would actually be. " And "Rather than show your ignorance online,... "

You are joking, right? I cannot even think of a way you could have demonstrated more ignorance regarding HR25 than with your opening statement. The second quote I provided merely displays that you are, as my Father would have said, Cocky-Dumb.

As for Markward Law, why do you care about a mortage interest deduction when you have no income tax to reduce ? That is the most non-sensical argument I have heard yet against FT. Prices will end up about the same as they are now, even with the tax included. You get to keep all of your paycheck. Slam Dunk. Pass FT.

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