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Working Americans may be too busy to take to the streets.

Nonetheless, Congress is beginning to get an earful from Americans who see the Senate immigration bill as a sellout - amnesty for illegal aliens and citizenship for sale, cheap.

And guess who gets stuck holding the bag: Estimates are that the bill will cost American taxpayers trillions to pave the way for more cheap legal labor from Mexico.

Many of the criticisms are probably even less printable than the profane assessment offered by House Minority Leader John Boehner - who is said to have compared the bill to excrement.

Otherwise popular senators such as South Carolina's Lindsey Graham and Georgia's Saxby Chambliss have been roundly booed at home for their support of the bill.

The Senate is getting it from all sides - including those both for and against amnesty.

This all begs the question: Why have a bill at all? Why not just enforce existing laws? Why not secure the border - stop the bleeding, in essence, before trying to decide on surgery?

The guest worker component, for instance, would allow in hundreds of thousands of unskilled nonagricultural workers a year - which labor leaders say would depress wages, and which would lead to an entire underclass of unassimilated working poor.

And consider this Heritage Foundation analysis of taxes paid and benefits received by low-skilled immigrant households in the United States in fiscal year 2004: Low-skilled immigrant households received an average of $30,160 in public benefits while paying only $10,573 in taxes. In other words, other American households supported them to the tune of nearly $20,000 each.

That means each low-skilled immigrant household receives $3 for each dollar it pays in taxes.

"Over the next 10 years," Heritage Foundation analysts Robert Rector and Christine Kim write, "the net cost (benefits minus taxes) to the taxpayer of low-skill immigrant households will approach $1 trillion."

Rector is quoted as adding, "this is the most expensive bill the U.S. taxpayer has ever seen."

But worst of all, as far as conservatives are concerned, is the bill's amnesty for illegal aliens. It rewards law-breaking and border-hopping, and is a slap in the face to all potential foreign visitors and immigrants who have queued up legally.

"The prospect of amnesty for illegal immigrants and their families outweighs any tough border initiative that may be in the bill, or the get-tough employment-enforcement provisions," says Brian Darling, director of U.S. Senate relations for the Heritage Foundation. "All that will matter, if the bill passes, is that President Bush and presidential wannabe John McCain enabled and are responsible for a historic giveaway - for a program that grants amnesty to millions of illegal aliens who are being rewarded for breaking the law.

"I can't imagine any self-respecting conservative in America who would not hold this against McCain, Bush, and any other politician who supports this terrible idea."

This is another ill-considered, unnecessary effort at "comprehensive" immigration reform.

How about let's start with securing the border?

Comments

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

United States is a sovereign nation with the right to make laws
governing immigration. American citizens have every right to express
their views on the subject. Professing we are too busy working to
survive, working to accumulate more possessions or capital, or even too
busy working to pay off debts, are no excuses for being ill informed or
failing to make our views known - especially if we have strong, well
informed opinions on immigration. I don't pretend to know everything in
this immigration bill. I generally support vastly increased
immigration to United States so we can compete
demographically with China & India over the next 50 years. Both those
economies will surpass ours in that time frame. I think we can and
should have a population of 1 billion people - more than 3 times our
current size. Immigration will be the salvation of this country from a
competitive point of view. We have to plan for it. In order to increase
our population by 700 million over the next 50 years, we need 14
million new immigrants per year. From the immigrants' perspective
Amnesty is not broad enough nor the guest worker program strong enough
to prevent exploitation. We NEED immigrants

_kpc_

I agree...We need immigrants. However, the illegal one's here have already demonstrated contempt for our legal system, so I say the should be at the end of the line. I am happy to see that there is SOMETHING that Cain doesn't pretend to know eveything about though.

patriciathomas

O.K. Cain, this makes it pretty obvious. You don't believe a dang thing that you post. You are just a sport antagonist. You find a controversial subject and champaion the side that will stir up the most adverse response. I'm glad to realize you are just playing at being an ignorant, blind, socialist. You're very good at it though, you're extremely irritating. Until this post, no one would ever know you are just a skilled rhetoric actor.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain

Consider this. It is likely the food on your table was harvested or packed by "illegals". They are vital to our economy. KPC and others want to cut off our nose to spite our face. Undocumented workers (or illegal aliens if you prefer) are guilty of nothing but following market forces and going where the jobs are. The system baited them. I oppose the current proposed immigrtion legislation from a liberal not a conservative perspective. It doesn't go far enough. Not only should there be a blanket Amnesty, there should be no fence (it disrputs wildlife). Reunification of families should be a priority, and the guest worker program should not be structured so that abuses are likely. Increased immigration can be the salvation of this country. Immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and Asia will increase. This country was built by immigrants. We are all immigrants except our Native American population (or Indian if they prefer) as well as the Yupic and Inuit. We need massive immigration if United States is to remain the world's number one economic powerhouse. We need a young population. The xenophobes and the English-only crowd are wrong. Multicultural, polyglot America spells success.

patriciathomas

That's real good Cain. No one will ever know you're not really insane.

WW1949

IF it were not for the Mexican worker my business would not have made any money for the last 10 years and I would not have been able to pay the 150000.00 plus taxes that I have paid each year. They were not paid low wages. They were paid very well for the jobs they did. Sometimes more than $1000.00 a week. They also paid their taxes and have work permits. I would have used only American workers but in my business it's hard to find an American crew that doesn't do dope, will work enough hours so they don't cut off their unearned income credit or a crew that will show up 5 days a week. I don't agree with JRHC most of the time but he is right about China surpassing our economy. I met with a production manager for a golf cart company in Augusta this week and he voiced the same worry. That the other countries are catching up with us because of the work ethic of our young not being the same as it used to be. That a generation of people think the government should support them and that the quality of our goods will be surpassed like the auto industry let happen and is now playing catch up. He also said that the most dependable employees are in the 40 + age group. Sad but true.

ohhsweetconcord

BAH! When you have a pipe system that continues to spring leaks over and over again it would be foolish to simply patch each opening in the pipe. Instead, the wise thing to do would be to replace the entire system. That's what needs to happen here. We can't just seal up the borders and expect everything to turn out great. Immigrants, illegal immigrants, whatever, THEY ALL HELP THE ECONOMY. Not to mention a vast majority of them are law abiding citiz...people. Yeah, so they crossed the border illegaly, but I don't see how that's enough reason to hold them in contempt. I swear, it seems like any bill that doesn't ship all the illegals back to whereever they came from is considered amnesty. Those xenophobic retards like Tom Tancredo are the ones we should blame for the mess we're in right now. Hopefully the AC won't be considered apart of his ilk in the future.

LaTwon

our economy dwarfs that of finland yet they were the happiest people in the world according to a recent pole. the top 5 countries were those with less than 25 million people. on one hand cain hates corporatism and capitalism, on the other hand he wants a billion people here to build the economy. california has to build and open an elementry school everyday of the year to keep up with the immigration problem. 40% of our rivers are
non fishable and non swimable. national parks are being loved to death. i suppose cains generosity is merely an act of superiority at the cost of hypocrisy.

_kpc_

Cain...if you had a really nice TV and I just walked into your house to watch it, would you be ok with that? I'm guilty of nothing but trying to see a better TV....you baited me to come in. You obviously have no respect for law unless it suits your goals.

_kpc_

Denali...are your employees legal? You see the only problem most people have is the ILLEGAL immigrants. I'm sure there are the xenophobes out there, but they are in the minority.

_kpc_

ohhsweetconcord, you have one huge error in your post. Not one single illegal immigrant is a good law abiding citizen. The very first thing they did in this country is break the law. You can't just ignore that fact because you don't like the law. I don't agree with some of the posted speed limits, but that doesn't mean I can just ignore them. People like you show great contempt for U.S. law.

_kpc_

It is funny how Cain dislikes capitalism so much, but is terrified about the prospect of not being the richest country in the world.

LaTwon

and how long will it be til the immigrants children become the sorry youth that we cant get to do anything today? my guess would be about the time they get out of high school and need to work. that is unless you believe they have a gene that makes them want to labor at hot jobs for little wage.

_kpc_

True LaTwon...the reason these people have this work ethic that so many admire, is because that's what it takes to survive back home. The one's born here will learn the same lesson eveyone else has. You don't have to work to live off the government.

LaTwon

hunger will make you work, welfare will make you lazy. they receive 30 000 in services. that would be 30 000 tax free services. i would estimate that it would take at least 45000 in income to net 30 000 in services. thats about 20 bucks an hour.

Carleton Duvall

Anyone who feels that flooding this country with 14 million immigrants a year will help us with competing with China failed economics101. It will ony help fulfill Cain's dream of a socilist society. In china the wage is less than a dollar an hour for unskilled labor and one to two dollars an hour for skilled labor, both with very few benefits. That is the real reason that China is beating our brains out. Unless this multitude is willing to work at these wages they will remain unemployed and be on the public dole.We all know that can't happen as we have mininum wage laws in this country that won't allow it. The sad fact is that we have priced ourselves out of world markets with high wages and benefits and social programs that pay people to sit home and do nothing. Masses of immigrants won't change that. It will only make it worse.

_kpc_

Funny how Cain wants to be more like Socialist China. Welcome Scoob.

LaTwon

so to sum it all up.......... after socialism bankrupts us all we can take comfort that when we get old, the dog food we eat will likely
be made in china and will probably mercifully kill us with melamine.

Carleton Duvall

During my working years I spent 15 years in Fall River.MA where the unemployment rate was in excess of 30%. The area has a heavy concentration of Portugese immigrants who came to this country and settled in the Fall River NEw Bedford area because of the fishing industry there. Very few of them were able to get jobs as the fishing industry was shrinking. Guess where the ended up? The welfare office was accross the street from mine and the unemployment office was next dor to mine. That is where they congregated. Every Monday morning the lines to both were several blocks long. These were good people, hard workers who came to this country for a better life. They did not want to stand in the cold waiting for help. They had no choice. Believe me, I saw enough there to convince me that immigration has to be controlled.

LaTwon

median household income in 2004 was around 43 500. using the 30 000 figure and working backwars i would say that 30 000
in beneifits after taxes would just about put our welfare recipients at the median income. so why work?

Carleton Duvall

This is an addendum to my first post. In year 2000 worhers in McDonalds in The USA made $6.00 an hour, In China $.42 an hour, In India $.29 an hour. My source can be found on Google. Trying to correct errors on this site will drive a sober man to drink

jack234

LaTwon: probable for the same reason you do. You have no monopoly on work ethics and self-respect. love you

LaTwon

i am not pointing a finger at any people. i love mexicans and travel there often. i have considered buying a retirement home there. i like the slower life style. i can be pretty lazy. i am saying the system is perverse. my employees are well paid in my industry at 20 00 an hour.

_kpc_

Work ethics are in short supply now-a-days though.

_kpc_

Wonder where Cain went. Probably on the phone with the AC complaining that he can't post a 4000 word rant on the Terrorism editorial. LOL

Carleton Duvall

KPC-my guess is that he is doing research. He admitted that he knew little about the subject. Be patient, he will return.

_kpc_

Or maybe he's having a meltdown because he can't accept that he agrees with the President.

ohhsweetconcord

kpc, I have respect for the law. I understand that these immigrants are "breaking the law" when they immigrate here illegally. But merely accusing them of breaking the law, then demonizing them based on that is not reasonable. What if the government passed a law against writing with your left hand. Left handed people obviously continue to break that law, yet I doubt people would vilify them for their defiance. Our current immigration laws are very similar in that they're horribly unfair to potential immigrants, which is why so many choose the illegal route. As a nation we should be examining the broken laws behind our problem, not the result. For instance, look at my pipe example. If someone had a broken pipe leaking water it would be foolish to focus only on cleaning up the water as the pipe continued to leak. The obvious thing to do would be to fix the cause of the problem so that you can continue to get as much water as possible. In America, immigrants are our water and similar to water, we need them to prosper.

_kpc_

Your analogy is a little off. These people knew the law before they came here. Nice try though.

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