A new American revolution?

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Imagine if early American colonists had access to cell phones, video uplinks and large multipurpose arenas.

It would've made the American Revolution a lot easier.

Well, a second American revolution of sorts may be taking place, this time with all the modern accoutrements.

The "Fair Tax," a grass-roots movement to institute a federal sales tax and dump the oppressive and intrusive income tax, and a handful of other despised federal taxes, is growing louder and more ubiquitous by the day.

Last Tuesday, some 7,000 Fair Tax supporters rallied at the Carolina Coliseum in Columbia, S.C., across the street from the Republican presidential debate. After cheering speakers such as Sean Hannity, John Stossel, four presidential candidates and Atlanta-based radio personality Neal Boortz - the spiritual leader of the movement - the energized crowd marched slowly around the Koger Center prior to the GOP debate.

It must have seemed an oddity to many: Thousands of white-shirted, placard-waving, polite but motivated folks chanting "Dare to be fair! Fair Tax now!"

Well, it is an oddity, in a way: Here's a growing cadre of citizens who are spending increasing amounts of time and money - they came to Columbia from all over the country last week - to push for something that isn't a special interest that benefits them.

Think about it. Usually, demonstrators are seeking something for themselves: special rights, more benefits and so on. The Fair Tax supporters will benefit from it, certainly - but so would the entire country. And that's the point.

Yep, that stands out.

The rally and march also stood out because the mainstream media hasn't really sensed how serious this movement is, so it's not on the radar screens of a lot of people. Indeed, the rally wasn't exactly deluged with media; most reporters and cameras were across the street at the debate.

Yet, Fairtax.org communications director Ken Hoagland says the organization has been on more than 500 radio shows in the past 11 months alone. And with 60 congressional sponsors already and a campaign strategy of taking to the streets in the early presidential primary states, Hoagland says supporters plan to not only get the proposal on everyone's radar screen, but also to make it impossible for elected officials to ignore.

Having a rally across the street, and then a march to the presidential debate Tuesday was inspired. As "campaignsandelec-tions.com" noted, "The marchers temporarily silenced presidential campaigners and protest groups that lined the streets around the Koger Center. People inside the Koger Center leaned against the two-story high glass windows to get a look at what was going on."

What they saw may be the start of a new American revolution.

Well, it's certainly revolutionary to think of abolishing the IRS - and turning April 15 back to the songbirds of spring.

Boortz also says the Fair Tax is revolutionary in that it's the first serious tax reform proposal developed and packaged by the private sector for our political leaders. And since it would give you more power over your tax bill, and give the government much less snooping power into your finances, Boortz says the Fair Tax would be the largest single transfer of power from the federal government to the people in American history.

Just prior to addressing the rally Tuesday, Boortz seemed more wedded to the cause than to his 37-year talk radio career that now has him on 180 stations across the country. Moments later, he told the arena that he's been advised his advocacy for the Fair Tax could be professional suicide for his radio show - but that "I'm going to stay at it till this Fair Tax idea succeeds or the (radio show's) ratings disappear. I am not going anywhere. I am going to see this thing through."

It must have seemed an insurmountable task at first; when did he know it was possible, we asked Boortz. Answer: When The FairTax Book he and U.S. Rep. John Linder of Georgia wrote hit No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller list.

A sequel is in the works to list and refute all the criticisms and questions opponents have raised.

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patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 05/20/07 - 05:45 am
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The msm are doing everything

The msm are doing everything they can to ignore the fair tax movement. This is the first piece I've see written that wasn't internet specific and it's the first piece I've seen that didn't misrepresent the plan or movement. Thanks A.C. Getting the word out about this plan is the only chance it has.

Cj33
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Cj33 05/20/07 - 07:28 am
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This so called "fairtax" is a

This so called "fairtax" is a regressive tax and would be "unfair" to the middle class and working poor.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 07:46 am
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cjanes5....please explain.

cjanes5....please explain.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/20/07 - 08:11 am
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Anybody who says the things

Anybody who says the things cjanes5 says about the FairTax is uninformed. The FairTax will benefit those in the lower and middle income brackets more than any other bracket. The tax liability of all Americans will be greatly altered to a system that all of us could understand.
DO NOT voice your opinion on this legislation until you have researched the FairTax. I was leery at first and very skeptical too. AND, do not listen to the politicians who say that the FairTax would be bad for America. Right now many politicians from both parties are against the FairTax because it removes the taxing power from the politician to us, the tax payers. Most politicians DO NOT want to lose the taxing power they have over us citizens. So, before you spread half informed lies and say things like the FairTax would be oppressive...take the time to research and see just how this law would benefit all of us. This law would fund the Social Security, Medicare, and all necessary federal programs.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/20/07 - 08:16 am
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Anyone with questions on the

Anyone with questions on the FairTax can call 800-FAIRTAX and they will send you info and answer your questions and concerns. Supporters of the FairTax cross all party lines and reach across all age and ethnic groups as evidenced by what I saw when I attended the FairTax rally in Columbia.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 08:17 am
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I agree curly....to make a

I agree curly....to make a statement like cjane made with no statements to back it up makes no sense.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/20/07 - 08:52 am
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Right on, curly. I was

Right on, curly. I was skeptical also then I took the time to research Fair Tax and I became sold. If the law is passed I think that the only people who would be unhappy with it are IRS employees and CPAs both of whom recieve their incomes from our present tax system.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/20/07 - 09:13 am
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I am sure employees of the

I am sure employees of the IRS are concerned, but they will not necessarily lose all of their jobs. They most likely would not be called the IRS anymore, but somebody would still need to be around to catch the ones trying to cheat the system. It don't matter what type of tax system you have, there is always going to be those who try to take advantage. The FairTax would be simple and easy and the new law would make it easier to catch those who cheat.
Can you imagine getting your paycheck and NOT having any, federal, social security, or medicare taxes taken out? That is how it would be under the FairTax. Call 800-FAIRTAX for more info or go to fairtax.org.

Cj33
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Cj33 05/20/07 - 09:30 am
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First off, this is a tax on

First off, this is a tax on consumption and the working poor and middle class by definition spend a larger percentage of thier income on consumption than the wealthy. I include a critique by Bill Hirsch fro the Ocala Star-Banner:
It works like this: Everyone would receive a monthly check from the government to reimburse them for taxes paid on the basic necessities of life.

For a married couple with one child, those necessities are estimated to cost $22,400 a year, the tax on which would amount to $5,152. So that amount would be sent to the taxpaying household in 12 equal payments disbursed each month. According to Boortz and Linder, that keeps the “FairTax” from being regressive — that is, one in which those with the lowest incomes pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes.

Here’s the sleight of hand. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, a household in the lowest 20 percent of wage earners surveyed in 2003 made an average of $8,201 in pre-tax income and spent $18,492 that year. You read that right. According to the BLS, the average household is in deficit until annual income reaches about $35,000.

With a 23-percent sales tax, that household would pay $4,253 in taxes. Under the “FairTax,” they would receive $5,152 in “prebate” checks. Presto! Not only did our family pay zero taxes, they actually came out about $899 ahead!

But that’s not how it would work.

Because the “prebate” comes in the form of a check from the government, it doesn’t exempt our family from paying the 23-percent sales tax on any of their spending, unless they buy second-hand goods.

It simply boosts their annual income by $5,152, giving them a real income of $13,353. But they’re still spending $18,492, and still paying $4,253 in “FairTax.” Taken as a percentage of their post-”prebate” income, that amounts to a tax rate of 31.85 percent.

In contrast, a household of three in the top 20 percent of wage earners surveyed made an average of $127,146 before taxes in 2003 and spent an average of $81,731, according to the BLS. Boosting their income by $5,152, then calculating the “FairTax” paid on their spending, yields a tax rate of only 14.21 percent.

That’s a textbook example of a regressive tax. And that’s not “fair.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 09:39 am
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If you don't attempt to live

If you don't attempt to live beyond your means, then you DO come out $899 ahead. What would you propose as being more fair? $8201 works out to a job paying $3.94/hr. Not to sound cynical, but there are plenty of full time jobs that pay minimum wage or better. I think you are attempting to skew the numbers by choosing the lowest of the low, instead of a real average.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/20/07 - 10:53 am
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clanes5-you need to go back

clanes5-you need to go back to school and take both and arithmetic and economics over again. You are missing something somewhere in your example

HTN007
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HTN007 05/20/07 - 11:00 am
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Taxing spending, the engine

Taxing spending, the engine that drives the US economy, the strongest economy in the world, is one of the stupidest ideas advanced in many years.If the fair tax crowd gets its way, lookout economy! The flat tax proposed 10 years ago by Sen. Army was a better idea.

ahtn

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 11:01 am
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The Fair????tax will make the

The Fair????tax will make the CPA's and the IRS agents the happiest people on God's green earth. The EXISTING state revenue departments have full authority to audit INDIVIDUALS under sales tax and will quickly move to hire all of the IRS Agents, who will then get TWO government pensions.

The Fair???? taxers tell you that you have to keep no records. The FAIR???? tax bill says you must keep receipts and that the auditors CAN audit individuals.

The Fair???? tax author, John Linder, goes around saying no reporting of income is required by THE FAIR TAX BILL says very specifically that income continues to be reported.

The rate of tax is 30% on the dollar, which the Presidential commission on tax reform said would have to be 34 cents on the dollar to be revenue neutral. "Revenue neutral" means that it supposedly collects the same tax as the current system, which means that it won't cover repaying the money borrowed from SS, won't pay for Katrina-type relief, and won't pay for the Iraq war all of which are coming out of borrowed money. (Linder himself said on Cspan that rescoring of the FT indicated a 34% rate)

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 11:02 am
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Flat tax only works if you

Flat tax only works if you report your earnings.

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 11:09 am
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Add to this eventual 34% rate

Add to this eventual 34% rate the conversion of state income and sales taxes and you get about a 45% COMBINED TAX RATE......The fairtax org was launched and funded with $millions in money from big oil, who gets forgiveness of more than $60 BILLION in back taxes, while grandma in a nursing home gets a NEW TAX of 45% on her nursing home care. You call that FAIR? The Fair?????tax exempts business, meaning that if you get into a lawsuit with a biz and both have $200 per hour lawyers, the biz pays $200 an Hour, but YOU pay $260 under the present bill, $268 under real revenue neutral rates, and probably a COMBINED RATE cost of $295 per hour. Is that FAIR?

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 11:17 am
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The fair tax destroys the

The fair tax destroys the very base of state and local government finances.........They get a 25 to 30% cost reduction from income-tax-exempt bond financing that goes away if this nutty tax passes.......They will have to collect this 34% tax from us for fire, water, police, sewer, and other services........on costs of running the county library or anything else not directly charged to us, the county will have to PAY this tax to the federal government, exploding property tax costs.....Also, the counties now DEPEND on sales tax revenues that would be competing with FT at very high rates,which will cut into collections.

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 11:22 am
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This is a CON JOB seductively

This is a CON JOB seductively promising 100% of your paycheck will be paid to you. It won't. Boortz and Linder have had to admit this...Government LOVES the FT, because it taxes rapidly inflating costs that the government causes by deficit spending. The more irresponsible the govt is, the more tax they collect......For example the FT applies to EMPLOYER paid insurance, meaning employees will have to pay probably and. Mine has been going up 15 to 30% every year.....The FT taxes costs that are exploding a LOT faster than incomes that the income tax is based upon.

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 11:24 am
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Publishers like MORRIS are

Publishers like MORRIS are sitting on $100's of billions in tax liabilities that they can IMMEDIATELY record as income the minute this FAIR??????????tax passes.

Like PT Barnum said......a fool is born every minute.

Do not be fooled!!!

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 11:27 am
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So how would you propose we

So how would you propose we collect tax from those who shelter their income, or just don't report it at all? Fair tax not only taxes American Citizens, but those who visit here as well.

Carleton Duvall
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Carleton Duvall 05/20/07 - 11:35 am
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It also taxes the 12 million

It also taxes the 12 million illegals, the small cash only business, the mafia and all the tax dodgers.

gcap
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gcap 05/20/07 - 01:20 pm
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Manyarrows sounds like a

Manyarrows sounds like a passionate government worker -- about to lose power. The Fair Tax taxes everyone and everyone, thereore, has a stake in our country. No, the Fair Tax is not perfect. Should we tax groceries and prescriptions? Or doctor's fees? Or private school tuition? NO!! Should the stockholders be taxed a flat amount, say 18 percent, on dividents, which would be much less that they are taxed now? Many questions remain. But the best way to get answers is also the best way to stop this out-of-control government we have. The Fair Tax!

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 01:30 pm
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No, just someone who has

No, just someone who has worked in SALES TAX for a couple of decades and has actually researched what THE ACTUAL BILL SAYS AND MEANS. Oh Noooooooooooooooooooo......don't throw me in that briar patch. I am confident that there are literally MILLIONS of fools seduced by "getting 100% of paycheck" who will DEMAND it, much to my glee and Billy Morris'.........As for the 'everybody pays' malarky, everybody DOESN'T PAY and therein lies myriad opportunities to avoid this tax.........I suppose the somehow this deal is supposed to make folks who were not reporting illegal labor because of 40% ++++tax rates somehow happy to charge customers a 40%++++ sales tax? ,,,,,,,Avoiding the Fair?????tax is child's play.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 01:56 pm
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So what would be fair? I'm

So what would be fair? I'm all ears?

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 02:10 pm
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The East European countries

The East European countries have had smashing success with flat taxes at rates from 15 to 25%. A flat tax is simple and gives fewer opportunties to cheap. Since it applies to EVERYONE, including business and nonprofits and does not mean a $trillion gift to corporations, I call that FAIR.

Even a flat tax has to be at two rates, though, because 'fairness' aside, the bulk of taxes come from the top 5% so anything that is "fair" either puts crushing, unpayable taxes on the poor and middle class or it is 'fair' to the ultra-rich.

I think that most folks tend to forget fairness when it means enormous tax increases on THEM.

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 02:15 pm
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No gcap, the best way to

No gcap, the best way to ENCOURAGE more government spending is to pass a tax that raises more revenue due to the INFLATION from the government's deficit spending.

You have likely not dug deep enough to learn that the FT only is designed to cover the tax revenues currently collected and DOES NOTING to stop deficit spending.

It ENCOURAGES the government by allowing them to inflict upon us the awful INFLATION tax that Dr. Ron Paul is warning about and it doubles the reward by taxing the inflation tax.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/20/07 - 02:18 pm
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Those in government do not

Those in government do not like the FairTax because it takes the taxing power away from the governemnt and gives it to you and me...the taxpayers. This country has had countless companies move their operations overseas due to the burden of high federal taxation. The FairTax would remove ALL federal import, manufactoring, income, and other federal taxes we have never knew about that were shackled to the business community. With less federal tax burdens we could expect to see a lot of these businesses including textiles to return their operations to US soil resulting in more jobs.
And, yes those here illegally would suddenly be paying taxes for the services that they are now getting for free from our country.
manyarrows, why don't you go to your library and checkout the book The FairTax and try putting your numbers to the facts listed in there and see how you come out, or better yet, just wait for his new book which will respond to all these rebuttals.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 05/20/07 - 02:26 pm
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manyarrows...educate me...why

manyarrows...educate me...why would we need two tax rates with a flat tax? Then it's no longer flat.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/20/07 - 02:34 pm
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Go to fairtax.org and they

Go to fairtax.org and they have a scale comparing the flat tax vs the fair tax vs the income tax we have now. The FairTax is so much simpler than what we have now and much simpler and fairer than the flat tax.
You cannot listen to those who are steadfastly against the FairTax, but you should go to the website and get the facts yourself.
Looking at past posts by this certain individual, he/she is a normally critical person anyways.

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 02:38 pm
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All the hawkers can say is

All the hawkers can say is "Read the book" or "check out fairtax.org". I did better than that. Not only did I read the lies and propaganda I ACTUALLY READ THE BILL. Not only that I evaluated how the BILL relates to existing sales tax law. ....I have pointed out that YOU will get hammered with horrendous taxes, how government benefits, how Billy Morris and the oil companies who are pushing this gain $trillions...yet you are bound and determined to prove PT Barnum right.

Many Arrows
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Many Arrows 05/20/07 - 02:41 pm
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"manyarrows...educate

"manyarrows...educate me...why would we need two tax rates with a flat tax? Then it's no longer flat."

The House Ways and Means Chairman was Bill THomas when the GOP held Congress. It was HE who pointed out why there would have to be 2 rates for the reasons I gave above.

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