Get realistic about birth control

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The right-to-life groups, and especially the Bush administration, need to understand that not every couple or individual female wants to have children.

There needs to be clear access to birth control to lower the number of abortions in this country. Teens need to have realistic education regarding this matter.

Denying access to contraceptives and relying on abstinence is a failure in the real world. Maybe it would work in a Christian Utopia, but not in the United States and certainly not in Georgia.

David Robinson, Augusta

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patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 04/27/07 - 06:15 am
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This is true Mr. Robinson.

This is true Mr. Robinson. How has the Bush administration restricted access to birth control?

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 04/27/07 - 07:03 am
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By restriced, do you mean not

By restriced, do you mean not given it away for free?

ForHim
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ForHim 04/27/07 - 08:52 am
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Abstinence is a failure

Abstinence is a failure because some parents and agencies such as planned parenthood let children ... yes, children ... think that it is acceptable to be sexually active. KEEP YOUR PANTS ON AND/OR CLOSE YOUR LEGS. That way it is 100% sure that you will not get pregnant. We didn't used to have the number of children pregnant like we do today because families taught their children it was wrong. Birth control pills are available everywhere you look. They certainly should not be given to a child without their parents knowing about it. That is taking away parental rights to raise their children as they see fit. Mr. Robinson doesn't seem very educated himself on this subject.

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Carleton Duvall 04/27/07 - 09:17 am
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I don't understand your

I don't understand your point, Mr Robinson. Who is denying people access to birth control?

anjhest
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anjhest 04/27/07 - 09:35 am
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Don, you are exactly right.

Don, you are exactly right. The only way to be 100% sure that you won't get pregnant is by abstaining from sex. But are you 100% sure your kids aren't having sex? According to the Kaiser Foundation, nearly HALF of all teens between 9th and 12th grade are already having sex. I'm sure most of their parents are blissfully unaware, proud of their kids for "abstaining." Instead, their children are having un-protected sex with the possibility of getting pregnant and contracting a variety of STDs, all because their parents were too ignorant and naive to teach them about birth control. Christians should know better than anyone that being human means that we sin and make mistakes, which includes our kids lying to us and having sex. So, while teaching abstinence is certainly crucial, you can't be so naive as to pretend that there is NO POSSIBILITY your child will ever have sex before marriage (or college, for that matter).

rt1523c
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rt1523c 04/27/07 - 09:54 am
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FUGLY people are God's birth

FUGLY people are God's birth control.

deekster
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deekster 04/27/07 - 10:08 am
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If you don't care what GOD

If you don't care what GOD thinks, then get yourself and your kids "fixed". Without GOD greated "human beings", what's the difference. You and you kids are just animals. Hey that's right.

ForHim
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ForHim 04/27/07 - 10:17 am
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anjhest - you're very right.

anjhest - you're very right. I have taught my children abstinence and morals and hope they will follow the way they should. I have only one daughter and it just so happens that I took her to the doctor for an exam within the last two weeks and I am SOOOO thankful to say that I know she is a virgin! I am certainly not naive ... I am a baby boomer! ... and they may make the wrong choice. But I still am not going to go buy her birth control pills. If she ever does get into that situation, she will need to deal with it the way God sees fit. I am also pretty sure my son is still a virgin. Can't be positive, but he is a very moral person with exceptionally high Christian values for someone his age. He is also human. Whatever their decisions though, I am still going to love them and help them through the best way I can.

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_kpc_ 04/27/07 - 10:21 am
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I just wonder how the writer

I just wonder how the writer blames this on President Bush. I guess everything is his fault. If they follow the example of the prior president they would only have oral sex and no one would get pregnant.

back2realityland
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back2realityland 04/27/07 - 11:20 am
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It's Bush's fault because his

It's Bush's fault because his administration chose to fund $150 million per year on abstinence only programs that have failed to make any dent in pre-marital sex rates. In fact these numbers are only climbing.

Moreover, public schools have been denied the right invite doctors into school to discuss the facts about sex, STDs, etc.. Doctors are most capable of conducting an honest conversation about ALL the risks involved in sexual relations--even more so than parents, given that many parents are not aware of all the facts themselves. Why parents wouldn't allow a doctor to come into a public school and give them the cold hard facts, I have no idea. That is hardly an intrusion on the right of parents to parent as they see fit.

But yes, we can instead allow Bush to keep funding abstinence programs that have produced zero results. Or we could quit wasting our tax dollars.

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ForHim 04/27/07 - 11:27 am
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Doctors don't raise our kids.

Doctors don't raise our kids. One conversation is not going to give a child the information they need. What they really need to hear is that sex before marriage is wrong. They need to hear it every day! Parents who get birth control for their children and even let them sleep together in their parents' homes is just unbelievable. Society has OK'd sex before marriage just like it OK's drugs, drinking, homosexual behavior, and watching pornography. The country is in the pits and there are people who don't even know it.

back2realityland
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back2realityland 04/27/07 - 12:23 pm
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There's more than one way of

There's more than one way of looking at the world and you can't impose your values on everyone else in this country who may feel that they have bigger issues to deal with than condemning everyone who's had premarital sex. Furthermore, sex before marriage has occured for thousands of centuries in plenty of societies, Christian and non-Christian. It's not some new 20th or 21st century phenomenon. Moreover, homosexuality (I believe it was firmly ingrained in Roman society) has been around probably as long as man existed, as has pornography (ever seen any Christian Renaissance painting?). Alcohol has always been a prevalent part of society--nothing new there. So really, I'm not sure where you get off saying that society OK'd all of this.

back2realityland
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back2realityland 04/27/07 - 12:29 pm
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Moreover, you completely

Moreover, you completely neglected the argument that 150 million taxpayer dollars have been wasted on abstinence only programs that have shown no improvement whatsoever. I don't see any point in wasting taxpayer money--that's the job of the Democrats.

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eilinel 04/27/07 - 12:30 pm
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President Bush doesn't raise

President Bush doesn't raise your children, either.
Birth Control is available in ready supply from your local ob/gyn OR from the health clinic.
Don1, tell your children that sex before marriage is wrong every day. I'm sure it is effective in your family. Some kids, however, will go out of their way to make sure they do anything their parents tell them not to.
Why not try educating your kids about STDs and the possibility of pregnancy instead of hellfire and brimstone? That was the approach my parents took and just the thought of getting pregnant in high school or contracting an STD was enough to make me keep my legs shut.
Kids are far more likely to listen to what you tell them if you give them sound reasons that back up what you're saying.
And, this country is in the pits because we can't focus on what's going on at home before we help our neighbors, not because of sex, drugs, drinking, gays or porn. Same stuff happens in Europe...

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_kpc_ 04/27/07 - 12:41 pm
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The federal govenment has

The federal govenment has not, and can not prevent a doctor from being invited to a school. That is the juristiction of the state. Sounds like your real beef is with your state govenment. You can't blame The President for everything.

ForHim
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ForHim 04/27/07 - 12:50 pm
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Reality - there has been sin

Reality - there has been sin in every form since Eve bit the apple. People tried to hide their sins more then. As the world aged, society (which has also been here from the beginning) has gradually "approved" certain sins. hat's why we are in the shape we are in now. Just because we "accept" certain things, doesn't make it right. It is still wrong for a child to have sex before marriage. They very well may do it, but it is still not right. EILINEL, you assumed things from my post. Be sure that in addition to telling my children that sex before marriage is wrong, I also tell them the consequences of sex before marriage and the consequences of being immoral. It would do no good to tell your children not to have sex before marriage if they don't understand why. The #1 reason is that God says it is wrong. The other reasons are valid, but are secondary. And I don't totally agree with your last statement. Sins of all kinds is the reason we are in the shape we (and Europe and any other country) are in. We don't live morally any more. Kids think it is OK to do things because there parents do it. It snowballs from there.

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pc44 04/27/07 - 01:05 pm
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kpc rocks!!!

kpc rocks!!!

back2realityland
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back2realityland 04/27/07 - 01:10 pm
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Don1 - I'm sure your method

Don1 - I'm sure your method works great for your kids and I wish you the best of luck. For those of us who maybe don't believe in religion the way you do or for those of us who don't so narrowly define right vs. wrong, your method may not be best suited for our needs. You would do well to butt out of our lives and let whatever sins you think we commit be between ourselves and God. Leave judgement for someone far more experienced than yourself.

KPC - The $150 million Abstinence only program is funded by the federal government (thus Congress and the President). They do not allows these funds to be given to states to invite people who are going to talk about condoms and birth control. So yes, states can do what they want--they just don't have any federal funding for it. Just as you may resent having taxpayer dollars go to discussions about birth control, I resent that the my money is going to programs that say abstinence is the only way when it clearly is not. Moreover, I resent that money is continuing to go into these programs that are completely failing.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 04/27/07 - 01:19 pm
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I would prefer that the feds

I would prefer that the feds stayed out of the schools all together.

anjhest
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anjhest 04/27/07 - 02:05 pm
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Realityland, actually teen

Realityland, actually teen sex has been on a steady decline since 1992, when over 60% of 9th to 12th graders had intercourse. Now it is less than half. I'm not sure where you found research that shows teen sex is on the rise, but I got my information from the Department of Health and Human Services. The Kaiser Foundation also reported similar results. Correlation is not causation, so I have no idea if the decline in teen sex is from the Bush Administration's abstinence campaign or perhaps from an increasing awareness of HIV, HPV, and other STDs.
While I do think it's important for parents to teach the importance of abstinence, I think it's even more important to educate your children about birth control. That way, when they DO decide to have sex (cause I'm pretty sure you won't be there to tell them not to), they are prepared. I don't think you're doing your job as a parent if you don't at least talk to your kids about how to protect themselves.

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LynxRHot 04/27/07 - 02:31 pm
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don1.....I agree with you.

don1.....I agree with you. For those of you who want to condemn don1 for speaking up about morals, why is it that when someone takes a stand for what is right, he is labeled as judgemental? As a parent, I realize my kids will make mistakes. But that does not negate my responsibility to teach them that sex was ordained by God as a GIFT for MARRIAGE. I hope to pass along the lesson my parents drilled into my head (which kept me in line). I was always reminded that they would not always know what I was doing, but GOD would know. In addition, I am in the process of teaching my children that sex in marriage is a beautiful thing. Only when it is taken outside of the marriage does it endanger our lives via unwanted pregnancy, STD, etc. We need to teach our kids that the physical relationship between a husband and wife is the most awesome experience they can share. I pray that my children will make the choice to keep themselves pure so that they can reap the blessings God has in store.

back2realityland
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back2realityland 04/27/07 - 02:34 pm
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Anjhest--I was arguing that

Anjhest--I was arguing that the federal government should seriously considering offering more policy solutions than merely abstinence only--e.g. birth control and protection--which it sounds like you agree with. In other words, I don't think an abstinence only approach is the only viable solution--that it needs to include a broader look at the issue.

anjhest
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anjhest 04/27/07 - 02:58 pm
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Realityland, I definitely

Realityland, I definitely agree that there is a lot more to consider than just abstinence. I see what Don1 is saying about teaching his kids abstinence and I applaud that. I just think it is equally as important to say to your kids, "but if you DO decide to have sex, here's what you need to do to protect yourself." I saw another study today that says that 91% of Americans have premarital sex by age 30. That means only 9% actually wait. Yeah, I guess your kids could be in that 9%, but it looks like the statistics are not on your side. I just wish people wouldn't be so naive...you can teach safe sex AND abstinence. It's so important to keep that line of communication open. If all you preach is abstinence and your kids decides to have sex anyway, he/she will NEVER tell you and you'll never get the chance to warn him/her about the dangers of un-protected sex. Yeah, I'd rather my kids don't have sex in high school. But if they do, I'd want to know about it so I can deal with it. I don't want them thinking I'm some judgmental Christian mother who would rather pretend something is not happening than deal with it directly.

tmlad
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tmlad 04/27/07 - 03:21 pm
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I've found the pull and jerk

I've found the pull and jerk to be an extremely effective method of birth control.

tmlad
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tmlad 04/27/07 - 03:35 pm
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I for one would prefer a

I for one would prefer a President who gets his bobo honked in the Oval Office over a President who turns his back on the parties responsible for the deaths of some 3,000 Americans to pursue and settle a vendetta that his father, who was equally inept as President, couldn't finish 15 years ago. Not that Iraq didn't need to be dealt with, but trumped up charges of WMD just to get Senate approval? Please. And now that he has finished wi/Sadam, has he turned his attention back to bin Laden? Of course not. He's too busy covering his [filtered word] for falsifying information in order to get approval to invade Iraq. And tell me how, with an oil man in office, are we paying the highest gas prices in the history United States....

anjhest
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anjhest 04/27/07 - 04:01 pm
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What the hell do gas prices

What the hell do gas prices and bin Laden have to do with birth control?

tmlad
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tmlad 04/27/07 - 04:03 pm
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Uh, yeah....do you need help

Uh, yeah....do you need help keeping up? Try these simple steps...1. Start at the beginning and 2. Read ALL posts. If that doesn't work, I'll give you a quarter so you can buy a clue.

ForHim
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ForHim 04/27/07 - 04:09 pm
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Reality - we obviously don't

Reality - we obviously don't agree on what is right and what is wrong. I have no intentions of judging you because that is God's job. And you are absolutely correct, it will be between you and God one day. And I have no desire to butt into or out of your life. I'm stating my opinion on this site just the same as you and others. I believe to protect themselves, they should be abstinent. That is the only 100% sure way to protect yourself. You can use condoms, birth control pills, diaphrams, foams, morning after pills or any other "birth control" methods. If you have sexual intercourse, you will have some risk of either becoming pregnant or getting a disease. Period. That is a fact and not an opinion.

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anjhest 04/27/07 - 05:07 pm
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TM, you posted about gas

TM, you posted about gas prices, oil, and bin laden. The original article and every single post except yours discusses birth control and abstinence. You might want to save that quarter, I think you're going to need it.

_kpc_
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_kpc_ 04/27/07 - 05:09 pm
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No...tmlad, you just look for

No...tmlad, you just look for an excuse to hate on the president. The whole issue should have nothing to do with the federal govenment in the first place. And just for the record...who is Bin Laden the leader of? Who is in Iraq? hmmmmm

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