'Idiot liberals' think they're taking over

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Wisconsin Democratic Rep. David Obey was pushed to the point of raising his voice.

He's not exactly Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh. In fact, Obey is as vocal a critic of the Iraq War as you're going to find in Congress. But Obey got fed up with his own liberals recently, and was caught on videotape saying so.

Handfuls of war protesters have been arrested at his congressional offices back home. And confronted by a pair of unrelenting, uninformed anti-war visitors recently, he was caught on tape ranting about "idiot liberals."

He later apologized.

He need not have. He was right the first time.

Sporting a "We don't support the troops," shut-down-the-war-now-at-any-cost attitude, the left fringe in this country is, in the words of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, in a full-scale "meltdown."

They want to take over. They marched across the Golden Gate Bridge on Sunday to stage a sit-in at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's house. Why? Because she's not anti-war enough.

What are these folks ingesting?

That's a question Obey himself posed.

The left in this country is throwing a tantrum of historic proportions - storming the offices of those in Congress who agree with them. They want the rug pulled out from under our troops, and they're willing to do just about anything to get it done.

Nor are they willing to talk civilly. Last week, the leftist fringe convinced Nevada Democrats that they shouldn't do business with Fox News by co-sponsoring a presidential debate with the cable news outlet.

There you have it. The left in this country no longer even wants a dialogue with anyone they perceive to be on the right.

How can we expect Sunni and Shiite, Arab and Israeli, Muslim and Christian to so much as carry on a conversation when the left fringe in this country wants to boycott the right?

How narrow is your world view when Nancy Pelosi and David Obey are too conservative for you?

"The socialist, Web-addicted wing of the Democratic Party was apoplectic," the Las Vegas Review-Journal wrote of the party's decision to drop the Fox News debate.

"Imagine if every political organization created litmus tests for news organizations before agreeing to appear on their programming. Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago."

The Review-Journal opined that the Democrats' "hyperventilation" is, in part, a result of the fact that the far-left has no "widespread national appeal for their radical views in favor of heavy-handed regulation, wealth distribution, diplomatic capitulation and economic protectionism. So they attack their rivals' messenger with a reckless barrage of rhetoric that cuts down their own allies with friendly fire."

It's so loony it's even driving liberals like Obey nuts.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/12/07 - 06:51 pm
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Make no mistake about it,

Make no mistake about it, 'idiot liberals' are going to drive the agenda
as long as United States wages an unjust, immoral, illegal, and
unwinnable war of aggression in Iraq, and it doesn't matter if your
name is Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Obey, Clinton, or anybody else who stands
in the way of getting the U.S. out of Iraq NOW!. That is a fact! We are
not interested in "giving the surge a chance" to succeed or to fail.
John Murtha called for U.S. troops to be redeployed out of Iraq within
6 months. That was more than a year ago. Time's up! No, we are not
interested in compromise. We are not interested in anything that Bush
or Cheney has to say. They are liars and war criminals! Radicalism is the proper
prescription for fascism. Should dissenting Germans have talked to
Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930s or during WWII? No! The proper course
of action is to resist evil that is embodied in George Walker Bush and
Richard Bruce Cheney along with the media industrial complex which
clearly includes FOX News. It is they who have subverted democracy in
this country. Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor warned
Americans of the danger of "the long slide into fascism". The time to
stop that slide is NOW!

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/12/07 - 07:09 pm
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Here I sit , trying to type

Here I sit , trying to type while having to wipe all of the spittle and froth dripping down from the previous post. Cain, Cain, try to get a grip. You're about to blow a vein. You have gone so far off the edge you make Pelosi sound conservative. I'm sure you're getting a huge buzz right about now, but you've got to calm down. Who will we laugh at if you perish? Sure we need the wacky left as sounding boards, but all of that foam around your mouth looks positively rabbid. Collect yourself, you're scaring me. [thank you for not screaming, sieg heil] Did you notice that a radical congressman, David Obey, D-wis, made the 'idiot liberal' comment. Should FOX have covered up the statement as though it didn't happen? Is that their job? It's the left that continues to attempt to hide what they stand for and their true feelings and it's the left that tries to muzzle everyone that doesn't agree with them and it's the left that tries to twist everyones expressed point of view that doesn't fall into a parameter that they approve of. I'm pretty sure your convoluted ranting is way off base once again. Good consistancy, once again.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/12/07 - 08:29 pm
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71 members of Congress who

71 members of Congress who represent
the "Out of Iraq Now" faction are
the epitome of reason and discretion. Congress should defund this war.
Congress has the power to do so, and Congress should exercise that
power. The consequences of Congress failing to immediately end the war
in Iraq will become clear soon enough. The true extent to U.S.
casualties (over 50,000 not the official number of 21,000) and the true
extent of destroyed U.S. equipment in Iraq is being hidden from the
American people. Flights carrying severely injured U.S. troops only
arrive on U.S. soil under cover of night to hide it from the American
public. Mark Benjamin of Salon.com broke the story of the incompetence
at Walter Reed Army Medical Center two years before The Washington Post
expose which finally brought widespread attention to the neglected
problem. Benjamin writes in a March 11, 2007 piece in Salon.com titled
"The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq" that "At Fort
Benning, soldiers who were classified as medically unfit to fight are
now being sent to war."
http://www.salon.com/news/2007/03/11/fort_benning/?source=whitelist
Is this mainstream American values, Ms.
Thomas? I don't think so. The U.S. war in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster! Perhaps you
and The Chronicle have slid off the far right end of the spectrum into an
ultraviolet nether world. One thing I neglected to repond to in the AC
editorial is their
claim that the 'loony left' is isolated from the mainstream in their
call for economic protectionism. I don't think so! The U.S. is
hemorrhaging jobs and
money. This is a mainstream American concern. The Chronicle and the Las
Vegas Review-Journal clearly represent the interest of multinational
corporations not average Americans. Finally - about FOX. Two URLs may
be too wide for this page, but they may be copied and pasted into
browers. To quote my colleague liberal catnip "There's nothing like a
trip down FAUX News Nostalgia Lane to clear things up in a big hurry."
Fox News at Its Finest.
http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/03/fox-news-at-its-fine...
Stung by Remarks, Nevada Democrats Cancel Debate on Fox
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/us/politics/10nevada.html?em&ex=117376...
If it is too difficult to copy and paste the first two long URLs in
your brower,
liberal catnip has them linked in her post titled " A Tribute to FOX
News":
http://liberalcatnip.blogspot.com/2007/03/tribute-to-fox-news.html

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/12/07 - 08:51 pm
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Cain. The sky is not falling.

Cain. The sky is not falling. We will not parish this year. Armageddon is not that close. War stinks. Not trying to win stinks. Running away at this time is stupid. After all of that is said, the whole point of this article is that there is disunity in the looney left. Now that they have won the election, they have no plans or goals other then usurping authority and no one faction of the left is strong or organized enough to decide whose authority to usurp. All of that 'end of the world' stuff is, once again, true, but not today. This countrys' leadership isn't nearly as bad as you claim or nearly as good as I'd like, but either way, chicken little is safe. The one point that is being made in this editoial is that the left haven't got it together enough to do much damage. That gives the hawks something to feel good about and apprently drives the redeployment doves nuts.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/12/07 - 09:15 pm
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This country's leadership is

This country's leadership is far worse than any nightmare, Patricia.
Capricious authority absolutely needs to be questioned and usurped.
Elected officials must be held accountable for their criminal actions.
Impeachment is both a political process and a judicial process. There
are legitimate grounds to impeach President George W. Bush and Vice
President Richard B. Cheney. This is not leftwing lunacy. Ms. Thomas,
you have absolutely no idea just how bad the situation is in Iraq. I
did not bring up Armageddon, but a wider war engulfing the Middle East
and South Asia looms. It could easily become a world war. If it does
not go nuclear, we will still be embroiled in high level conflict for
decades. Their war in Afghanistan helped break the Soviet Union. A
local rightwing radio talk show host scoffed when Bush first requested
$25 billion in supplemental spending for the war in Iraq. "We could
raise that money in one day by selling off national parks" blustered
Austin Rhodes. Now, we have spent or allocated $700 billion in upfront
monies for the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the so-called War on
Terror. Long term costs (including medical care for wounded vets) will
likely top $2 trillion. These wars can easily bankrupt the U.S.. The
entire cost of these wars is off budget and goes directly to the
national debt. These wars are being financed by borrowing, largely from
foreign investers including China. Our standard of living is
compromised by these misguided foreign adventures. War leads to debt
leads to inflation. Do you remember the hyperinflation that followed the
Vietnam War? You and The Chronicle need to start dealing with reality.
Check into it.

patriciathomas
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patriciathomas 03/12/07 - 09:49 pm
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You amaze me Mr. Cain. You'll

You amaze me Mr. Cain. You'll apparently never get 4 no matter how many times you add 2+2. You combine 'facts' from multiple sources and weave them into a worst case scenario. The thing that is so obvious and that tends to taint your 'deductions' is that they only apply to conservatives. Criminal action only relates to conservatives and over spending only gets mentioned when you refer to the 'non-left'. The U.S. is spending a lot on what you refer to a 'so called war'. Do you really feel that running away will really cost less in the long run? This war can be run more economically, just like that other war. [?] You make a lot of statements about future situations, but seem oblivious to what will happen if we don't defend ourselves. I certainly think you're passionate in your beliefs, but I don't understand any of them. This country and the ideals it was founded on must drive you crazy. Have you concidered Canada? Nice climate, doesn't get caught up in other peoples bussiness, socialized medicine. You might be calmer there. I hear they have good meds. Check into it. [ don't use Austin Rhodes as a reference--people will talk]

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/12/07 - 10:09 pm
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Don't give me this founding

Don't give me this founding fathers nonsense,Ms. Thomas. The founding fathers are the ones who warned us against foreign entanglements. Iraq did not attack us or threaten us. Invading and
occupying Iraq is not "self-defense". That is the crux of the problem
right there. Just today, Thomas, the fall back position for the U.S.
was enunciated in case (as it inevitably will) the surge fails. Guess
what? It involves withdrawing and redeploying U.S. troops "out of
harm's way"! Guess what else, Thomas? Here is what Pentagon planners
say in their report on what comes after the surge fails: "This part of
the world has an allergy against foreign presence," the report quotes a
senior Pentagon official as saying of Iraq.
"You have a window of opportunity that is relatively short. Your
ability to influence this with a large US force eventually gets to the
point that it is self-defeating." That window of opportunity if it ever existed is now closed
tighter than Dick's hatband, but there will be few if any negative
consequences from a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq just as there were few
negative consequences from the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam. It is you,
Patricia Thomas, who claims the sky is falling, that this war was foisted
upon us (it was, but by Bush, not by Saddam), and that we are in some sort
of do or die struggle. Horsefeathers! This war is about hegemony,
political control, resources, and money. It is not about religion or
terrorism. We can and must walk away from Bush's blunder.

Signal Always
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Signal Always 03/13/07 - 02:05 am
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"idiot liberals" becomes a

"idiot liberals" becomes a keyword to a topic, and JRHC speaks up. Am I the only one that finds humor in that?

augustalawyer
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augustalawyer 03/13/07 - 05:44 am
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Mr. Cain, I don't understand

Mr. Cain, I don't understand why you rail against the war with so much venom. Although, you may be different, I have never met anyone with your political viewpoints who has ever supported the military or its soldiers. Usually, people like you are the ones at the airports spitting on them. This is why mainstream decision makers pay little attention to the opinions of those like you. For the past 11 months I have been here in Afghanistan as an Embedded Tactical Trainer and an instructor of Afghan soldiers. I have personally led over 50 combat missions with Afghan soldiers and have a pretty good understanding of Islamic society and culture. We need to be here. When my year here is completed in a few weeks I will go directly to Iraq for several additional months. We need to be there as well. Since you never really cared about the soldiers to begin with, your rantings carry very little weight. It's funny that it's the soldiers doing the fighting that believe in the cause. It's the soldiers who see first hand what is really happening who believe in the mission. None of us want to be here but WE recognize the importance of the mission in keeping our country and even you safe.

Dedicated
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Dedicated 03/13/07 - 07:08 am
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All together

All together now............"CAIN IS AN IDIOT"

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/13/07 - 07:30 am
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Augustalawyer, your

Augustalawyer, your testimonial does
not amount to proof that the
majority of U.S. troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan actually
support the mission themselves. They are largely silent on the issue
unless they back the official line. It doesn't take a lawyer to figure out why. When the fragging starts we will know more about how
average grunts' feel about this mission. United States had just cause
to go after the perpertrators of 9/11 and other attacks on U.S. ships
and embassies, and that included overthrowing the Taliban which allowed
Al Qaeda to train in Afghanistan. That said, the life of the average
Afghan citizen has not improved in the last 5 years and 4 months of
U.S. and now NATO occupation. That is why there is widespread support
inside Afghanistan in the south, east, and west of that country for the
resurgent Taliban which is aligned with a now regrouped Al Qaeda.
Commander-in-Chief George W. Bush did not finish the job in Afghanistan
before taking his eye off Osama bin Laden and setting his sights on
Saddam Hussein who had nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks of
9/11 or any other attacks on U.S. assets. U.S. military planners wrote
in the report for what comes after a failed U.S. surge "This part of
the world has an allergy against foreign presence." Former CIA analyst
Milton Bearden pointed out that Afghanistan has not been successfully
pacified by any foreign invader in 2500 years. Good luck,
augustaundeliberativelawyer.

mgroothand
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mgroothand 03/13/07 - 07:33 am
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So, "who 'ya gonna call" in

So, "who 'ya gonna call" in these times of war? JRHC or augustalawyer? Goebbels and Tokyo Rose understood the value of negative propaganda and the attempts of demoralizing troops in the field. They both lost but now we have another one right here in our midst. That's assuming JRHC is spewing his diatribe from somewhere in the CSRA and not Tikrit. The A/C is allowing this fool to "comment" because of our freedom of speech that augustalawyer and our fighting forces are maintaining. Keep that white flag handy Cain, you will need it if your wishes for total disarmament come true.

3M3T1B
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3M3T1B 03/13/07 - 08:09 am
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"who 'ya gonna call" in these

"who 'ya gonna call" in these times of war? - not folks like mgroothand or thomas, they talk, but don't step up.

concernednative
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concernednative 03/13/07 - 08:17 am
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The problem is the arrogance

The problem is the arrogance of Bush/Cheney. No one in the history of the world has sucessfuly occupied the middle east. It is not going to happen. Ask Russia what Afghanistan is willing to go through. See the Bible of issues going on in the middle east. I am not a US hater I love America but we can't dictate to the world what form of governments they should have and how they should behave. And we definitely can't occupy Iraq that is insane. Think about it for a few minutes we are planning to occupy a middle eastern nation that hates America you can never have peace with that.

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Carleton Duvall 03/13/07 - 08:26 am
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Mr Cain is not an idiot, far

Mr Cain is not an idiot, far from it. He is well read and has the talent to twist the facts to support his own point of view and the time to repeat it over and over again. People like him scare me because they understand that if you repeat something enough, whether it be fact or fiction, there will be people who will beleive it to be true. He does a disservice to the men and women who are caught up in this terrble war in Iraq. Shame on him!!!!

ForHim
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ForHim 03/13/07 - 08:32 am
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Whether he's right or whether

Whether he's right or whether he's wrong, I think Mr. Cain has definitely gone off the deep end. It's a good thing he can't come thru the computer. It's like patriciathomas said. You can see him frothing at the mouth. Mr. Cain, maybe you should take to writing novels. You could probably make bunches of money.

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digmick 03/13/07 - 08:58 am
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Bottomline: How little chaos

Bottomline: How little chaos will be sufficient for us to declare our mission is complete in Iraq? If one thinks that we can stop all the killing and conquer the insurgency completely, one is sadly mistaken. So, it comes down to how much killing is ignorable.

Miss Mary
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Miss Mary 03/13/07 - 10:15 am
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Augustalawyer, thank you so

Augustalawyer, thank you so much for your service and your message. It's good to hear from someone who can offer an experience-based opinion about what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have family members who are there, and their thoughts about this war mirror yours. We pray daily for your safety.

jack
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jack 03/13/07 - 10:54 am
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Well here we go again with

Well here we go again with Cain parroting moveon.org who's leftist talking points are about this "unjust, immoral, illegal, and unwinnable war of aggression in Iraq". Cain is a well fed parrot as we can see. Obviously, fed BS by the pound. I get tired of this diatribe in that no credible organization/government has declared the war in Iraq as "illegal", it is certainly "moral" to try and give millions of people the same freedoms we enjoy, and the left has yet to explain what they mean when they say the war is "unjust". As for being "unwinnalble" , how many of these leftists who say so have personally fought in this or any other war. Not many, I bet. BTW, you wouldn't be the one on the AC forums who calls himself Synergy, as it seems you have exactly the same far left sources you like to quote as he does.

PS Cain, 71 congressmen on the left does not any where near make a difference among a total of 435.

Miss Mary
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Miss Mary 03/13/07 - 10:57 am
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Grouse and Retired Army, I

Grouse and Retired Army, I agree that one can express opinions without personal attacks and name-calling. Indeed, posts that refrain from this are far more effective. However, folks get upset with Mr. Cain because he DOES engage in personal attacks and name-calling. (If you need an example, please look at the last sentence of his message to augustalawyer. Now that wasn't necessary, was it?) Mr. Cain also exaggerates, spins and lies in an effort to shore up his opinions. He seems to get many of his "facts" from far-left sites, and when he quotes them, he often does not tell his sources as he knows the sources would cast suspicion on the "facts." (Try researching his "facts." You might be surprised.) I'm all for spirited debate and I enjoy these posts, but please don't write as if Mr. Cain is objective and fair and others are not just because you agree with him. Both sides, including Mr. Cain, are guilty, and we could all do a better job of respecting others' views, including me:~)

jack
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jack 03/13/07 - 11:08 am
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Cain, you have NO proof that

Cain, you have NO proof that the majority of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan do NOT support their mission. Pure speculation on your part, but to an idiot like you, it makes sense to spout such drivel. As for impeaching VP Cheney, evidently you have not idea how our government works. The VP cann not be impeached (show us where in the Constitution it says he can be). You are juast a rabid, frothing at the mouth liberal who has never had to really have a back bone/spine to protect this country in which you live and enjoy your hate of it.

jack
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jack 03/13/07 - 11:13 am
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Grouse, right on both counts.

Grouse, right on both counts. He is an idiot and yes, he is wasting his breath here, or on main stream America.

jack
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jack 03/13/07 - 11:18 am
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To Retired Army: What

To Retired Army: What "facts" do you refer to that our resident leftist, Cain, has presented? I have only found mouthings from various leftist blogs, especailly moveon.org. which we all know is out to try and destory Bush.

digmick
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digmick 03/13/07 - 11:19 am
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What is the definition of a

What is the definition of a Win in Iraq? When have we won?

intheknow
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intheknow 03/13/07 - 11:49 am
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jacj,jack,jack,OH jack.

jacj,jack,jack,OH jack. Please go back and read The ARTICLES of IMPEACHMENT and who it covers. You might learn something other than what you hear on RUSH and Austin.

intheknow
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intheknow 03/13/07 - 11:55 am
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By the way JACKO, Not ony

By the way JACKO, Not ony does it cover the President and THE VICE PRESIDENT, it covers all civil OFFICERS,. Let me know if you need help with what civil OFFICERS are. ONE OF THOSE DIMoCRAPS. :)

intheknow
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intheknow 03/13/07 - 12:00 pm
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JACKO by the way do you know

JACKO by the way do you know the difference between being IMPEACHED and CONVICTED?

gagirl40
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gagirl40 03/13/07 - 12:37 pm
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First thing first. Us

First thing first. Us liberals DO support the troops. We always have! We don't support George Bush's war. The people you speak about in this article are not normal liberals. They are as crazy as those on the right who call for the death of doctors at abortion clinics. But in this article you meld them all together. That's sad, very sad. Secondly, the reason the left didn't want Fox to host the Democratic debates is because they have shown their detest for anything having to do with the Democratic Party. They have done segments made up of lies to smear Barak Obama as well as other Democratic candidates. Why in the world should they be rewarded as a legitimate news organization when they report lies and distortions as truth? They admit their bias to the right...finally after all these years. So why, why would the Democratic party allow them to host their debates? The MSM doesn't have a "bias" to the right therefore they are accused of leaning left. This is probably the biggest disservice done by the right. Evey other news organization reports the news, not their opinions on the news. Fox is the only channel that reports their opinions, their propaganda and calls it news. It's Sick!

augustalawyer
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augustalawyer 03/13/07 - 01:37 pm
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Mr. Cain...Dude, I am the

Mr. Cain...Dude, I am the average grunt. I shut down my law office in January of 2006 to come over here as an Infantry Officer. I am on the front lines from the Pakistan boarder to other parts of the country. I meet and talk to the Afghans every day. I don't know where you get your ridiculous information but the life of the average Afghan has VASTLY improved due to the US and NATOs involvement here. They want us here and they want us to stay. In regards to the opinion of the average soldier...we talk to each other. Soldiers love to complain...usually about anything and even more if it's about nothing. We complain about who and what is stupid. We complain about clouds and ants. If anyone had a complaint about the mission we would know. American soldiers are proud to be here and proud to help the Afghan people. If you don't believe me, feel free to come and see for yourself. I don't see how you would have better information than I do since I am actually here seeing things for myself and helping the people. I truly feel sorry for you, filled with so much hate that you want people to die in the hopes of proving your point. You are a sad man.

ForHim
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ForHim 03/13/07 - 01:52 pm
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Well said, augustalawyer.

Well said, augustalawyer. I'm sure that you will never see Mr. Cain anywhere around where you are. He is too busy enjoying his freedom of speech while you are over there protecting that right for him. I for one will take the word of someone who is there. I've had several friends over there who mimicked what you have alread said. Many thanks to you and all who serve.

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