How can Israel justify?

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As the terrible conflict between Israel and Gaza develops, the blame for Palestinian deaths has been terribly skewed.

CNN reported July 21 that more than 500 Palestinians have been killed in the conflict. Yet, according to the United Nations’ estimates, 70 percent of these deaths have been civilians uninvolved in the fighting. It seems the only crime these people have been guilty of is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And with no safe haven for many Palestinians, all of Gaza is the wrong place.

Since Israel began “defending” itself against numerous Hamas attacks, Israeli officials have shifted the blame of these civilian deaths to Hamas militants, claiming the militants are using Palestinians as “human shields” to protect their weapons and tunnel systems.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview with CNN that he regrets the number of Palestinian civilians killed in this conflict, but he immediately shifted the blame to Hamas.

“The Hamas deliberately target civilians and deliberately hides behind civilians,” Netanyahu said. “They embed their rocketeers their rocket caches, their other weaponry from which they fire, which they use to fire on us, in civilian areas. What choice do we have? We have to protect ourselves.”

But the situation prompts a question: If Hamas is guilty of using civilians as a human shield, isn’t Israel guilty of just shooting the hostages to get to the criminals?

Compared to Hamas’ fizzled attacks, Israel has proved, after weeks of deadly attacks, to have the upper hand with superior technology, weaponry and armed forces. And now, the uneven match-up has left the international community pleading for a cease-fire.

With Israel’s low casualties and superior forces, how can it justify killing hundreds of Palestinian men, women and children as self-defense? And how can it pin the blame solely on Hamas?

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Jeffus
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Jeffus 08/04/14 - 12:58 am
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People are mistaken when they

People are mistaken when they assume that the Iron Dome system is foolproof and provides a no holes defense system for Israel. If Israel did not attack the rocket launchers in densely populated civilian areas, the destruction would simply move to the other side of the border. The effectiveness of the system comes from it's use together with air strikes. If Israel were to let the Gazans fire freely without attacking launching sites there would be at least a ten fold increase in the rockets coming over the border. So it is a question of Israel sacrificing it's own citizens to save some Gazans. Is that what the article recommends?

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ymnbde 08/04/14 - 05:45 am
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CNN and MSNBC, perhaps too much?

cnn and msnbc have biased coverage against Israel, and truth
can Israel not defend its own children?
Hamas targets Israeli civilians
and uses its own civilians, and especially children, as shields
Hamas uses its own children in a macabre strategy
by choosing to make their children a part of the war
they make their own children a weapon
even the Nazi's didn't do that
how can anyone be so evil?

Angela H
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Angela H 08/04/14 - 05:54 am
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If someone shoots in your

If someone shoots in your yard every single day, yet they rarely hit anything, would you just let them keep doing it, or would you want the situation to end?

RedQuinoa
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RedQuinoa 08/04/14 - 07:52 am
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Hamas' media deception

By locating missiles and launchers in and near UN schools and other places occupied by non-combatants, Hamas is doing its own people wrong by putting them in harm's way - intentionally.

Then, when the Israelis do what they must by taking out the missiles and launchers with subsequent inevitable collateral loss of civilians, Hamas exploits the situation by claiming Israel has conducted unprovoked attacks on civilian targets. They make a media event out of this, and CNN/MSNBC et al wring their collective hands in sympathy for Hamas.

This kind of approach underscores the true evil of Hamas, its policies, and its goals.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/04/14 - 08:02 am
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Answer

Mr. Hickerson asked this question:

If Hamas is guilty of using civilians as a human shield, isn’t Israel guilty of just shooting the hostages to get to the criminals?

The question contains a false accusation. Hickerson says Israel is “just shooting the hostages.” That is patently false. Israel is also shooting (and shelling) Hamas militants. The collateral damage of civilians is regrettable, but necessary. Israel is prosecuting its own war on terrorism judiciously.

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deestafford 08/04/14 - 08:42 am
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Mr. Hickerson unknowingly hit on the reason...

Mr. Hickerson unknowingly hit on the reason there are so many "civilian" deaths in Gaza when he used the word "hostages". That is what many of the people in Gaza are, "hostages", because Hamas will not let them leave the built up areas where the tunnels and weapons are located.

You see, the killing of civilians is an arrow in the quiver of Hamas. As a matter of fact, some of the pictures of "civilian casualties" used by the media are the same as some used for "civilian casualties" in Syria.

What Mr. Hickerson does not understand is all the Arab world except Turkey, who used to be an ally until Obama played footsie with the current Islamist PM came to power, and Qatar are hoping for the destruction of Hamas. Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood which all other Arab nations want to see eliminated.

Of course, nearly everyone here understands that the Muslim Brotherhood has the support of Obama who has appointed to numerous positions of influence in our government. That includes deputy positions in the Department of Homeland Security. Muslim Brotherhood members have been welcomed numerous times into the White House.

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dichotomy 08/04/14 - 09:28 am
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"It seems the only crime

"It seems the only crime these people have been guilty of is being in the wrong place at the wrong time."

These "innocent" people, these "hostages" ELECTED as part of their government and SUPPORT the HAMAS organization that has continued to attack Israel at every opportunity for decades. They are not as "innocent" as the writer would have you believe. They actively support the HAMAS attacks against Israel and allow HAMAS to position artillery firing positions in their neighborhoods. I feel bad about the children that have been killed BUT, when parents make bad decisions in that part of the world children die. It' just a fact of Muslim life when they chose to support terrorist organizations and allow themselves to be used for as shields for propaganda purposes.

The only problem I have with Israel is that they are not killing enough of them fast enough to put an end to this thing permanently before media bias forces them into another USELESS ceasefire that HAMAS will break as soon as it can restock with rockets. That is the ONLY time HAMAS decides it wants to talk ceasefire.....WHEN IT RUNS OUT OF ROCKETS. Kill them all and kill them NOW.

ralphinga
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ralphinga 08/04/14 - 09:36 am
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Drop a Dime....make a call

Israel calls the residents of an area before they drop a shell. Hamas lets or makes its people stay in the danger zone waiting for reactions and conclusions similar to those expressed by the writer to build into expressions of "world wide outrage". These " innocents" could have secretly reported the actions of Hamas, but they chose not to, so they are coconspirators. Whether it is the PR media war or the military one, Hamas has an effective strategy, based upon the letter writers conclusion. So rational thought leads to the conclusion that the writer supports Hamas because Israeli loses are too low. Hamas has no regard for human life. They kill their own. Blaming Israel is the same faulty logic used by John Kerry, the UN and the liberal media.

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jimmymac 08/04/14 - 10:23 am
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MUSLIMS
Unpublished

The Gaza Muslims support Hamas so they're getting the fallout from that support. You lay with the devil you go to hell with him as well. When they get tired of being Hamas stooges and stand up to the radicals in the Gaza then Israel will stop shelling them. If Aiken was shelling Augusta everyday I dare say Augustans would demand something be done. The Hamas backers are getting exactly what they bargained for so they'll get no sympathy from me.

Darby
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Darby 08/04/14 - 11:28 am
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Mr. Hickerson .....

Thank you for that interesting and blatantly anti-semitic rant.

"If Hamas is guilty of using civilians as a human shield, isn’t Israel guilty of just shooting the hostages to get to the criminals?"

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The short answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!

When America and Great Brittan carpet bombed Dresden and Berlin in World War II, we killed tens of thousand of "innocent" civilians. Had to be done and in the end, who can say how many "innocent" lives were saved?

When the United States detonated two nuclear devices over Hiroshima and Nagasaki (because one wasn't enough), we killed hundreds of thousands of "innocent" Japanese civilians. (And saved hundreds of thousands of American soldiers' lives in the land invasion that became unnecessary.)

What's your point, other than to cast Israel is the "Bad Guy"?

Darby
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Darby 08/04/14 - 11:54 am
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Hey, I just had another

of my "brilliant" ideas.

Let's say that James Holmes had gone into that Colorado theater holding his aunt Sadie in front of him and announcing....

"I'm gonna just keep shooting until I run out of ammo. It's my plan to kill as many of you as possible and then leave. I know some of you may be armed, but I know you won't shoot because you have such great respect for my Aunt Sadie and after all, she is innocent in all this." "So just sit quietly while I proceed to kill and maim as many of you as time allows."

"Thank you very much."

historylover
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historylover 08/04/14 - 12:02 pm
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Anti-Semitic

I have read for many days now all of the comments on both sides of this issues. One thing I see over and over, is that anyone who doesn't unilaterally support Israel is called anti-Semitic.

Anti-Semitism is a very ugly side of some extremists in our world. It includes hatred, which I have not seen in ANY of the posts by people who don't support Israel.

I believe that it is hard for many of us to sit back and see all of the children murdered in Palestine and not feel some sort of anger. The anger for me is focused at both sides of this war. I've tried not to put down Israel too much, nor have I supported the Palestinians. I wish someone would blow Hamas off the face of the earth, I just wish they could do it without killing so many innocents.

I just think that because someone does not SUPPORT ISRAEL it does not make them anti-Semitic. It makes them anti-war, anti-murder, anti-killing. That's all.

Lou Stewall
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Lou Stewall 08/04/14 - 01:04 pm
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Hamas is the Toxic Spawn of Nazis

Arafat's mentor and uncle, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, collaborated with Hitler. Hamas is Arafat's creation.
Castro, Nazis and Soviet dictators tried to do away with religion. Hamas' founding mission is to kill all Jews, inspired by the Koran. The added dimension of religious fervor to slaughtering Jews will never be stamped out.
To desire equal death counts is morally depraved and guarantees never-ending war.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 08/04/14 - 01:26 pm
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Semite

You are correct, historylover, that many letter writers and story commenters misuse the words "anti-Semite" and "anti-Semitism." And we fellow commenters should avoid the indiscriminant use of the words when commenting on people who are not gung-ho pro-Israel.

However, we can confidently use those terms when referring to Hamas, wouldn't you say, historylover? Hamas has said that their policy goal number one is the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state. That would seem to qualify as anti-Semitic to me.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/04/14 - 02:03 pm
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"Anti-Semitism is...

....a very ugly side of some extremists in our world."

Is racism similarly "a very ugly side of some extremists in our world?"

Seems like the same logic should apply, no? But the term "racist" has been so weakened and cheapened through misuse by liberals that nobody really knows what it means anymore. Let's not do the same thing with "anti-Semite."

No matter....

I would agree, that any reasoning, thoughtful person who takes a little time to understand hamas, their stated intentions, and their history as regards attempts to destroy Israel, who still supports hamas is, indeed, an anti-semite by any thoughtful definition of the word.

It's illogical to claim you're for the destruction of Israel and simultaneously claim you don't hate Jews, isn't it?

raul
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raul 08/04/14 - 02:08 pm
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Hamas says they are not using

Hamas says they are not using civilians as human shields. I don't give much cred to people who use suicide bombers to do their dirty deeds. Life means nothing to them, so why would they have any hesitation about using civilians as human shields. I am surprised at the divided support for Israel this time. Is the propaganda about civilians/children being killed the driving force of this divisiveness?

Angela H
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Angela H 08/04/14 - 02:18 pm
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"I have read for many days

"I have read for many days now all of the comments on both sides of this issues. One thing I see over and over, is that anyone who doesn't unilaterally support Israel is called anti-Semitic."

Welcome to our world. For the past 6 years, anyone who doesn't unilaterally support Obama is called racist. Now you know how we have felt.

FormerAugustaResident
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FormerAugustaResident 08/04/14 - 02:20 pm
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Perhaps Mr. Hickerson is

Perhaps Mr. Hickerson is right.

Until Israel learns the politcally correct response to neighbors shooting missiles into it's territory by the hundreds (thousands, actually...), perhaps Hamas should just stop firing missiles into Israel.

Just termporarily, of course, to allow Israel time to get schooled in the proper etiquette of how to properly attempt to annihilate your neighbor.

Apparently Mr. Hickerson believes Hamas has already arrived at such an enlightenment.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/04/14 - 02:19 pm
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" Is the propaganda about civilians/children being killed....

.... the driving force of this divisiveness?"

Well, that's part of it, but that's really just one of the factors.

The real "driving force" is liberalism and the political agenda that goes along with it.

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GnipGnop 08/04/14 - 02:46 pm
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We are swiftly approaching

the time when Israel just decides to devastate Hamas. You have to remember they are surround by a enemy that doesn't want peace. They want Israel gone. They want every Jew dead. The USA's recent handling of this situation is pushing Israel closer to the brink of going it alone with devastating consequences to all Palestinians.

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burninater 08/04/14 - 03:04 pm
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"The real "driving force" is

"The real "driving force" is liberalism and the political agenda that goes along with it."
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That doesn't match the timeline.

Liberalism and its political agenda have existed for over a century.

The current backlash against Israel began specifically when children and civilians began to be killed.

Angela H
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Angela H 08/04/14 - 03:04 pm
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Children and civilians have

Children and civilians have been killed in the Middle East for over a century as well.

burninater
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burninater 08/04/14 - 03:25 pm
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Children and civilians have

Children and civilians have been killed all over the world for over a century as well.

Disgust with the militarism that results in those murders is not a liberal political agenda. It is disgust at humans behaving like savages. It is disgusting when Hamas behaves that way, and it is disgusting when Israel behaves that way.

Not everything is about political partisanship.

Angela H
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Angela H 08/04/14 - 03:47 pm
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Just pointing out that the

Just pointing out that the timelines match just fine. Other than that, I can't argue with you. War is a disgusting thing.

myfather15
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myfather15 08/04/14 - 03:50 pm
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"If Hamas is guilty of using

"If Hamas is guilty of using civilians as a human shield, isn’t Israel guilty of just shooting the hostages to get to the criminals?"

How is Israel suppose to know that Hamas has moved civilians into the buildings they are targetting? Hamas moves them into these buildings, for the PURPOSE of getting them killed, to gain international sympathy in this War!! YOU, are doing exactly what they want, by giving the sympathy to a TERRORIST group!!

"Compared to Hamas’ fizzled attacks, Israel has proved, after weeks of deadly attacks, to have the upper hand with superior technology, weaponry and armed forces."

Yes, of course they are "fizzled" attacks, thousands of rockets crossing into Israel!! Since Hamas doesn't have the technology to properly AIM their rockets, we should just allow them to keep shooting them, right?

"With Israel’s low casualties and superior forces, how can it justify killing hundreds of Palestinian men, women and children as self-defense? And how can it pin the blame solely on Hamas?"

Because every single day, whether WAR is going on or not; Hamas shoots rockets into Israel!! Israel lives with this constantly, and tolerates it, until the point it's intolerable!! THEN, they decide to do something about it!! If Hamas would stop shooting rockets, Israel wouldn't be killing them!!!

It CAN place the rightful blame on Hamas, because Hamas IS to blame!! They are the ones saying they don't respect Israel as a sovereign Country and want to eliminate them off the face of the earth!! THEY, are the ones digging tunnels to envade and attack Israel, not the other way around!! Israel lives every single day, not just during war, with the threat of attacks from Hamas!! Yet, we don't hear a single word about it from people like YOU!! But when Israel defends itself, people like you want to condemn them!! Is there a reason? Maybe a shared hatred with Hamas? A shared hatred for Israel?

burninater
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burninater 08/04/14 - 04:10 pm
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myfather, you are correct

myfather, you are correct about Hamas.

Civilians and children are not Hamas.

Clearly, it is difficult to fight an enemy that hides in civilian populations. But if you had a neighbor that shot at your house, wanting to kill you, and you killed all of his neighbors trying to get at him, then people would be outraged. And that outrage wouldn't mean the guy shooting at you was right, or that everyone outraged was on his side, or that everyone outraged shared his hatred.

Claims that disgust at innocents dying necessitates a political stance are unjustifiable.

burninater
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burninater 08/04/14 - 04:17 pm
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"Pick a side"?----------No.

"Pick a side"?
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No.

This Us vs Them playground schtick, justifying endless cycles of militarism and murder, is not compulsory. It's time for the world to grow up.

Angela H
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Angela H 08/04/14 - 04:21 pm
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I don't think the neighbor

I don't think the neighbor analogy applies. A better analogy is if your neighbor drives by your house with his family in the car, and shoots at you every day, do you think the police will do nothing, or will they wreck the car if necessary, endangering even the innocent, in order to stop the shooter?

burninater
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burninater 08/04/14 - 04:26 pm
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Given that Israel is

Given that Israel is targeting civilian structures in civilian populations, rather than a single vehicle with limited passenger capacity that can be targeted as a discrete entity, I'm sticking with the neighbor analogy.

Angela H
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Angela H 08/04/14 - 04:32 pm
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Those "civilian" structures

Those "civilian" structures have military equipment in them. They aren't just structures that happen to have civilians nearby. The civilians are in the same building with the rockets. Your analagy just doesn't fit. What would be your suggestion on how to keep them from being used against them?

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