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Regarding the immigration “humanitarian crisis” and President Obama’s proposed $3.7 billion answer:

Why is the plan so expensive? Simple. Democrats, irrespective of the question, problem or crisis, wake up every morning knowing the answer is bigger government and more money. Their steadfast Crisis Response Action Plan remains constant. Questioning the plan in any way is rebuffed as extremist, racially motivated and a war against children/women/the middle class.

Don’t bother defining or discussing the immediate problem. Don’t discuss or analyze cause-and-effect relationships of policies or laws related to the crisis. Don’t discuss the desired outcomes of policies and laws respective to the crisis. Don’t develop courses of action toward decision matrices that mitigate or eliminate the crisis.

The border crisis offers yet another opportunity to create even bigger government, spending even more of our and our children’s money.

In a rational world it would be an absurdity, but this is the world of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and nothing involving more spending and bigger government is absurd to them.

So the $3.7 billion benefit analysis and the Crisis Response Action Plan details are all too clear:

• growth in federal employees;

• growth in union revenues as dues-paying membership increases;

• growth in paramilitary/law enforcement personnel to offset decrease in military strength;

• growth in federal agencies’ budgets and power;

• award to the political complex (i.e., lobbyists and special-interest groups);

• stimulus to the economy;

• it’s vague and open-ended;

• it’s a temporary fix (i.e., do not measure outcome against cost);

• approval is required before development of detailed spending and allocation of funds.

Thomas Deutschle

Evans

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Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 07/18/14 - 07:00 am
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The letter writer is right to

The letter writer is right to expect accountability when it comes to how taxpayers' dollars are expended. However, I would have liked to have seen a more even-handed call for responsibility.

Such as why the GOP spent millions voting to repeal the ACA knowing full well that it would not pass the Senate. (It is estimated that each vote costs taxpayers nearly $1.5 million. The actual repeal would be an estimated $109 billion added to the deficit over 10 years.)

According to Standard and Poor's, the GOP shut down of the government cost $24 billion. (That is more than 7 times what the president is asking for.)

http://moneymorning.com/2013/11/13/the-full-cost-of-the-government-shutd...

Since I did not find any prior letters or comments by the writer, I will give the writer the benefit of the doubt and assume that his next letter will address wasteful spending by the GOP.

hoptoad
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hoptoad 07/18/14 - 07:17 am
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Absolutely right, the

Absolutely right, the democrats' answer to everything is to throw money at it and call it problem solved.

All the money spent on education every time the stats showed failures in the system has only led to even more less-educated graduates. Since welfare began in the 60's, it has steadily increased in payouts and resulted in more moochers. The so called "green" companies have received multi millions and then gone bankrupt. When the IRS scandal came to light, one of the excuses was they needed more money to hire more people. Then the VA scandal and what was the answer to that problem - fire one person (the Director) and ask for more money in spite of the waste and abuse of their current funds.

Now O wants an enormous fund to handle this illegal immigrants problem. Secure the border, fine employers for hiring them unless they have a valid work visa, fine landlords for renting to them unless they have a valid work visa. No money needed.

The Republicans have also spent money, but they don't even come close to the democrat schemes to extract more money from the hard-working middle class.

Finally, I may be called nuts, but like the stimulus in 2009 I believe a lot of this money may be sidelined to unions and other "pets" of this administration. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the $3.7B got into a dem election/re-election fund.

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hoptoad 07/18/14 - 07:22 am
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If "truth matters", why have

If "truth matters", why have you credited the GOP with shutting down the government - that was O!!! He did not get what he wanted from the house bill so he refused to sign anything they sent and then claimed they didn't want to work with him and have not offered a solution.

He then blamed them for shutting the government down like he blames them for every darn thing that he gets wrong!

My way or the highway and if you don't do it my way, I'm going to blame everything on the Republicans. And the misinformed, uninformed, too-lazy or stupid to research official sources to find the truth people will believe me. Right, Truth Matters?

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deestafford 07/18/14 - 07:42 am
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The letter writer is right on target...

The letter writer is right on target. The left/liberals are like farmers when they encounter a problem. They use money like fertilizer. They distribute it on the problems hoping they will grow and their power over the people will increase.

deestafford
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deestafford 07/18/14 - 07:47 am
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As to the immigration crisis, Obama is handling...

As to the immigration crisis, Obama is handling it like a plumber coming to your house that is flooded with busted pipes. Rather than shutting off the water he calls his brother who has a wet-dry vac to come over and start pumping the incoming water and be paid by the hour and have it charged to the homeowner. Never stopping the inflow cause of the problem.

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myfather15 07/18/14 - 07:52 am
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Democrats response to

Democrats response to EVERYTHING?? Talk about it and throw money at it!! They are the no-action crowd!!

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carcraft 07/18/14 - 08:49 am
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I know , let's pay the

I know , let's pay the illegal aliens to go back home, couple of grand and an airline ticket ! It would be cheaper than ANYTHING Obumbler has done!!!

seenitB4
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seenitB4 07/18/14 - 08:57 am
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Truth doesn't matter to some

Put them on a bus.....send them back to home country...5 million at the most...the end!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 09:44 am
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Have y'all rea Bulls, Bears,

Have y'all rea Bulls, Bears, and the Ballot box? It is a study of Rep vs dem since Hoover. Turns out that the hands off approach and tax breaks along with concentration of wealth link with recessions and economic downturns.Turns out Milton doesn't match reality. The Dems faired better till Obama who the author compared to Reagan receiving poor grades. Now Obama has reinvented the Dem party and the results so far are really bad considering GDP, still wealth is concentrated into few hands, etc, and going over board with too much regulation- historically Dems wee pragmatic not anymore. The old historic Demparty had a winning formula for economic growth, and I think they will regret dropping the winning formula and transforming the party- they should be running away from Obama he is destroying the Dem party. My only hope now is the Rep finally quit being stupid and drop the laissez faire and accept some regulation is good, and address the wealth disparity. Obama has reinforced this disparity, lowered GDP, and gone hog wild with too much regulation, further unlike other Dem presidents he isn't a pragmatist but is an ideologue with an agenda that ignore reality-he basically is more like a Rep in poor economic ratings

deestafford
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deestafford 07/18/14 - 09:44 am
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Ain't it funny how Obama construes laws to fit his...

Ain't it funny how Obama construes laws to fit his agenda and flat out disobeys the ones he doesn't like?

For example, the law Obama says he must follow with these Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) does not require the due process he says it does. The law was written concerning human trafficing and it says that in the law.

The majority of these children say in interviews that they are seeking to be reunited with family members and not fleeing violence.

This flood of children has doubled in volume in the last six months and are being transported throughout the country without the federal government even telling the city leaders they are coming.

It's going to have a burden on the school systems this fall when these children show up at the school house doors. As if speaking only Spanish and no English is a big problem there is an even bigger one in some cases. Some of the children don't speak either English or Spanish. Some of them are from the isolated areas of the countries and speak only the local Indian dialect. Think of the impact this will have on the school systems.

deestafford
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deestafford 07/18/14 - 09:51 am
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To make the problem even worse we have idiots like John Lewis...

To make the problem even worse we have idiots like John Lewis, D (GA) who says we must take care of the children and also let the people know "America is open!"

In CA there was an ad in Murietta asking for foster parents for the UAC to house them up to 45-60 days and be paid $6000/ month for each child.

This problem is costing us hundreds of millions of dollars and Obama does not care. It fits into his Coward-Piven strategy--two professors under who he studied while a student at Columbia University. He has not just read about them, he actually sit in their classroom and absorbed their radical agenda.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 09:54 am
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My bet the Dem will continue

My bet the Dem will continue on this losing path of less prosperity ,and the Rep will morph I resembling more old Dems. " From this book loaded with statistical fact tidbits and comparative charts, here are just a few that caused me to realize that my long-term love affair with Milton Friedman‘s writing and recommended policies in “Free to Choose” were grounded in a theory I long admired, but that simply have proven to be myths when applied!

Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents
Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)
Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)
Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents
The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations"

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 09:59 am
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Course these are historic

Course these are historic trends from the parameters they examined, and now it doesn't apply because Obama isn't a historic Dem but is hell bound to reinvent the party and America. Dems should run. I ran away from Rep after Bush now I see no hope for Dems- and I'm only hopeful Rep will change and doubt they will.so I'm left with a vote and no candidate

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 10:01 am
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More and more moderates are

More and more moderates are disgusted by both parties, as I, and the time is ripe for a third party to really have a chance.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 07/18/14 - 10:43 am
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Truth Matters......"The

Truth Matters......"The actual repeal would be an estimated $109 billion added to the deficit over 10 years."

As long as truth matters, why don't you tell the part about the CBO says that KEEPING OBAMACARE will cost us $2 TRILLION dollars over the next 10 years. If, in fact, repealing would cost $109 billion....IT'S A BARGAIN..

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 10:31 am
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The book is great at looking

From Forbes article: The book is great at looking past today’s economic myths by using long forgotten facts to set the record straight. For example, in explaining President Reagan‘s great economic recovery of the 1980s it is often attributed to the stimulative impact of major tax cuts (ERTA.) But in reality the 1981 tax cuts backfired, leading to massive deficits and a weaker economy with a double dip recession as unemployment soared. So in 1982 Reagan signed (TEFRA) the largest peacetime tax increase in our nation’s history. In his tenure Reagan signed 9 tax bills – 7 of which raised taxes!

The authors do not come down on the side of any specific economic policies. Rather, they make a strong case that a prosperous economy occurs when a president is adaptable to the needs of the country at that time. Adjusting to the results, rather than staunchly sticking to economic theory. And that economic policy does not stand alone, but must be integrated into the needs of society. As Dwight Eisenhower said in a New Yorker interview

“I despise people who go to the gutter on either the right or the left and hurl rocks at those in the center.”
This is why Obama is a disaster and from the book you could predict another recessionlikelybecause Obama has icreased the wealth divide, GDP is down, he ignores the population and is an ideologue who has his own agendas. Bill Clinton hates ideologues for the same reasons. Reagan realized the policy was failing and corrected it saving the day with huge growth. Obama ignores all indicators, no matter,and full speed ahead- he is resistant to admit he is wrong and correct it.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 07/18/14 - 10:40 am
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Of course the DEMOCRATS would

Of course the DEMOCRATS would asked for $4 BILLION dollars when we can buy all 50,000+ of them FIRST CLASS AIRPLANE TICKETS HOME FOR UNDER $100 million dollars. Half of that amount if we send them coach class. 1/3 of that amount if we use contract charter. But the Democrats say no.....why spend $100 million when you can blow $4 BILLION.

The Democrats have NO respect for your money, NO respect for your security, NO respect for your safety, and NO respect for our borders.

The Democrats have one objective...total control of your life and all of your money.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 10:57 am
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The Dem aren't sensitive to

The Dem aren't sensitive to the needs of America ( they don't believe in it and ignore reality) . Rather than the practical thing they would run us off a cliff- it is financially irresponsible when there are other alternatives. What 3.7billion and say 60 k illegals so spending 60'000 dollars per psrson seems ridiculous. Then if they stay the cost of assimilation, education, and health. It's insane with so many Americans struggling. I don't know why Dem supporters aren't angry. This isn't the pragmatic Dempartythat historically gave it the economic advantage- gone in opposite direction.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 11:14 am
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Both Bush and Obama adopted

Both Bush and Obama adopted expansionary fiscal polcy such Bush added 5.8 trillion to deficit, and Obama has added 5 trillion as of 2013. Both presidents have had high deficit spending though Obama has had higher deficits overall. Both adopting Keynesian ecomic strategy
That just isn't working as theory would predict- so he and Milton Botha ring. Both Bush and Obama responded initially to the recession and stabilized the economy, but it isn't growing as it should because Obama now isn't being pragmatic but will incur economic downturns for an ideological gain of fairness or the environment.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 11:23 am
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Dang stirred the crap out of

Dang stirred the crap out of that and no thumbs down from conservatives and thumbs up from Dems. What I took away isnt so much about party or platform but about Presidents who were practical and moderate, and responsive to the needs of Americans. Reagan and Bill Clinton both fit that bill which is why they are considered great by most people regardless of party.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 01:41 pm
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Well I think austerity that

Well I think austerity that Obama thought of was a terrible idea, but I'm afraid this will discounted as biased since it comes from a progressive think tank. I guess Obama shouldn't set red lines for diplomatic or economic reasons. The austerity measures that Obama came up with weren't enough to get Dems and Reps to deal.

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hoptoad 07/18/14 - 02:27 pm
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FEDEX

If Huffington Post is where you get your news, you aren't getting the whole truth - if you are lucky enough to get any truth at all.

Why is it that liberals get their news from left wing web sites or Jon Stewart and then try to push it off as legitimate.

hoptoad
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hoptoad 07/18/14 - 02:34 pm
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bizkit

Just wondering where you got the $5.8 trillion spent by Mr. Bush after 8 years in office? From all the accounts I read it was only $4.0 trillion. But after only 5 years, O racked up close to $8. trillion. One of us got the wrong info.

I hope you're not getting your news the same place FEDEX is.

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Pond Life 07/18/14 - 02:34 pm
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"Such as why the GOP spent
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"Such as why the GOP spent millions voting to repeal the ACA knowing full well that it would not pass the Senate. "

It doesn't cost anything to vote....unless you are a Democrat and have to buy your votes.

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itsanotherday1 07/18/14 - 02:34 pm
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Hoptoad, to answer your

Hoptoad, to answer your question to FedEx; conservatives are just as guilty with quoting ultra right web sites.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/18/14 - 02:36 pm
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"According to Standard and
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"According to Standard and Poor's, the GOP shut down of the government cost $24 billion."

Explain how it is the "GOP shutdown." The GOP offered several spending bills that Reid refused to vote on...yet you call it the "GOP shutdow."

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/18/14 - 02:41 pm
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I prefer to NOT attack the
Unpublished

I prefer to NOT attack the source of the information without addressing the information that is presented as well. To do so is the sign of a weak argument.

hoptoad
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hoptoad 07/18/14 - 02:43 pm
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None of my family or friends

None of my family or friends visit right wing web sites and neither do I, never have, probably never will. I listen to FOX as they don't screw up the news as much as the mainstream media and always correct themselves if they make an error in reporting.

Even so, I would wager a bet that many of the right wing sites gather their info from legitimate government sources (for the most part). A true conservative, christian doesn't usually visit radical right wing web sites and there many fewer right wing nuts than left wing nuts.

Nanny, nanny boo boo (excuse me I just had a glass of wine and I'm feeling silly)

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/18/14 - 02:45 pm
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Yep hoptoad the article was

Yep hoptoad the article was from a progressive site which then went on to trash Rep. But I thought I'd give their estimate which still bodes poorly for Obama. The article goes on to paint Obama a hero who saved the economy. I should gave realized it was likely filled either lies , misinformation, or propaganda. Because that is how progressives roll.

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