Social welfare or insanity?

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Having been one of those people who got a brief start in life from the newly established Job Corps program in 1966, I can say that government programs can be a much-needed stepping stone to get one over the initial difficulties that are brought on by growing up in poverty.

The sad aspect is how the government and our politicians react to the failures of these policies and their unintended consequences. When something doesn’t work in government welfare, they just create another one. Head Start, the SNAP food program, EBT cards, subsidized housing, government cell phones, the Earned Income Tax Credit – the list goes on.

What have we seen as the multigenerational result? Is it not a subculture that spawns more poor children; no family structure; low achievement; lives of crime in drug use and distribution, prostitution and pimps; and all forms of petty and major crime?

Our politicians always answer with yet another program to throw more taxpayer dollars at an already ludicrous situation.

Do we really think we can subsidize four to five generations of people to do nothing as constructive members of society but rather pay them well to be pimps, prostitutes and drug traffickers who sit home all day in government housing, having more children for others to support – and one day, shazam, they will just become the opposite of what we have paid them to be?

Should this be called social welfare or insanity? This, my friends, is the unintended consequences of good intentions. We must force our politicians to reward/subsidize the results we want, not insanity!

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bubbasauce
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bubbasauce 06/12/14 - 02:48 am
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Very good read Mr. Jackson.

Very good read Mr. Jackson.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/12/14 - 05:34 am
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Excellent letter. Read a

Excellent letter. Read a story the other day. 54 people charged with $18 million in welfare fraud. Fake stores cashing out EBT cards.

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deestafford 06/12/14 - 06:06 am
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Very well said. I think it was Ronald Reagan who said...

Very well said. I think it was Ronald Reagan who said, "There is nothing as permanent as a temporary government program."

I think every law and program passed by the government, be it federal and state, should have an expiration date of say five or ten years after which it would automatically expire unless renewed.

If a law or program is good enough to be in existent and take taxpayer money it is worth the effort needed to revisit it periodically to see if it is meeting its original goal or has it created unforeseen problems or consequences.

I would be interested in hearing any problems with this suggestion.

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ymnbde 06/12/14 - 06:06 am
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they refuse to educate

give a girl a fish vs confiscating the fish of others
they let the teacher's unions keep their for profit "schools"
yet they send their own kids to expensive private schools
such hypocrisy, only racists would approve
school choice is the necessary first step
give a voucher to parents to be spent at the school of their choice
because the worst racists attack children
as they did during busing

IBeDogGone
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IBeDogGone 06/12/14 - 07:07 am
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I COULD NOT HAVE SAID THIS BETTER

You are right on point Mr. Jackson, I love the fact that you mentioned you got you a brief start in life after Job Corp, this program was a benifit to you because you only got a JUMPSTART, you did not require the system to supply you with a NEW BATTERY for life. I wish our political leaders all shared your view and made programs TEMP PROGRAMS not LIFE TIME BENIFITS.

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jaymai 06/12/14 - 07:54 am
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Generalizing much? Government

Generalizing much?
Government programs result in "pimps, prostitutes and drug traffickers who sit home all day in government housing, having more children for others to support."
Really?
How about the government subsidies granted to corporations? What do they result in? How about the blank check we give the Department of Defense? How about the millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars used to send FEMA to the CSRA to help with the cleanup during the ice storm? Couldn't the people in California argue that that encouraged lazy southerners to sit back and rely on the government to clean up their neighborhoods instead of rolling up their sleeves and doing it themselves?
Are there people who abuse the programs you named? Of course there are. There are also veterans who abuse the VA system, so should we dump that too?

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jimmymac 06/12/14 - 08:15 am
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This was an excellent letter that expresses the feeling of most taxpayers. No one I know is against giving people a hand up but people are fed up with supporting them for life. It's time for limits on the length of time for a free life. Then they can sink or swim on their own.

deestafford
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deestafford 06/12/14 - 08:19 am
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Just one response to Jaymai's comment....

Just one response to Jaymai's comment as the other points would require slowly typed expanded detail to educate:

What did we do before FEMA? Local and state governments handled the disaster problems without help from the government. That is perhaps an agency among many that is not needed.

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TrukinRanger 06/12/14 - 08:29 am
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There's nothing wrong with
Unpublished

There's nothing wrong with social programs but we need to evaluate which ones work and which ones enable the lazy. I may be a democrat but I do believe there is abuse of services out there and those caught should be punished. However, there are a lot of folks out there that really need these services because of various reason... elderly, disabled (really disabled, not just some whacked up disability)

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RMSHEFF 06/12/14 - 08:29 am
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jaymai

Would you be for making able bodied recipients of government programs to do some sort of work in exchange for us supporting them?

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 06/12/14 - 08:33 am
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jaymia

The department of defense, like all other federal departments is full of waste, fraud and abuse. This should be corrected but the big difference is that national defense is the FIRST and most important responsibility of the federal government. Almost everything else should be a state responsibility.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 06/12/14 - 08:40 am
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jaymai

Sadly, I have relatives that have "chosen" to take advantage of the many government give away programs instead of working hard and supporting their family. They "did the math" and decided it is more profitable to take advantage of food stamps, section 8, free medical, earned income tax credits and pell grants. They knew that they would have to find a job making over $60K a year to equal these giveaways and work to boot !

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myfather15 06/12/14 - 08:46 am
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I don't know about you, but.........

I had massive damage from the Ice Storm and my back hurt for days after the cleanup!! I didn't wait for government to come clean up!!

If people would take PRIDE in WHEREEVER they live, government wouldn't be needed near as much!! For weeks after the ice storm, I patrolled around, noticing in the poorer neighborhoods and public housing, branches and limbs lying everywhere!! I also noticed entire families, doing nothing but sitting on the porch, waiting for someone else to clean the property!! Why? Probably because they don't own it and don't CARE!! They know someone else will eventually clean it up for them, and they don't care about living in filth until then!!

Matter of fact, in some neighborhoods, there are STILL limbs and debris in their yards!! Why? Again, their too sorry to clean it themselves!! For weeks following the storm, we went around with chainsaws and other equipment, cutting and cleaning people's yards and property!! While we are pulling and dragging limbs, these people would stand on THEIR PORCH, and watch us clean THEIR properties! Even having teenage children that wouldn't lift a finger to help!!

Matter of fact, I have NO IDEA where all this "government money" went to help with the storm debris!! Because all I saw was CITIZENS, out cleaning!! It took the local governments weeks and months to respond to some areas, but many of those areas still got cleaned!! Columbia County had to hire crews from Arkansas, Oklahoma, Florida and Texas to come pick up debris!! But that's the debris on the side of the road, who was it cleaned the properties and put the debris on the side of the road??? We the People and our neighbors!!

We DO NOT need the government!!! We just need OURSELVES to get involved and help each other!!

jaymai
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jaymai 06/12/14 - 08:54 am
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RMSHEFF: "Would you be for

RMSHEFF: "Would you be for making able bodied recipients of government programs to do some sort of work in exchange for us supporting them?"
Absolutely! And while we're at it, I'm also for random drug testing of these individuals, mandatory sterilization of those who keep having children they can't support, and instead of the E(at)B(ig)T(ime) cards, give the families a supply of fresh fruits and vegetables, eggs, chicken, etc., preferably grown and raised by local farmers. If they want crab legs they have to get a job and use their own money. In other words, don't do away with the programs, just fix them by providing more oversight. Of course you realize, this costs money too.

"Almost everything else should be a state responsibility."
In a perfect world, that would be great. Some states have the revenue and infrastructure to do this, some don't. Like someone implied that Georgia and South Carolina could have handled the ice storm disaster without help from the federal government. I'm not too sure about that.

jaymai
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jaymai 06/12/14 - 09:07 am
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MyFather15: "We DO NOT need

MyFather15: "We DO NOT need the government!!! We just need OURSELVES to get involved and help each other!!"
Well, you're blessed to have the health and strength and the tools, the skills, the means and the time to do what you did. And I'm sure you, like many others in my neighborhood, went out of your way to help those who weren't as blessed as you were. That being said, I also know that it wasn't private citizens who coordinated the many trucks with electrical workers from various states to come and take care of the fallen power lines. So maybe we didn't need those guys either, huh?

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 06/12/14 - 09:07 am
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jaymia

We agree on requiring able bodied people that are getting federal benefits to do the work they are able to do. You must have voted for Romney. Democrats see this as slavery !

You can choose to live in the state that you want based on what that state provides, however the economies in the "blue" states are in much worse financial shape that the one run by conservatives. I have several relatives that fled Illinois because of high taxes.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/12/14 - 11:44 am
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Jaymia, the people that

Jaymia, the people that coordinated the repair of electric lines would be Georgia power, a private company.

myfather15
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myfather15 06/12/14 - 11:47 am
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jaymai

I absolutely loved your 8:54am comment and agree 100%!!

But, your 9:07 am comment, I'm a little confused about. It's my understanding that Georgia Power and Jefferson Energy contracted most of those out of State PRIVATE companies to come and help them. I don't believe they were hired by the government, but I could be wrong.

So, I restate my opinion but with a little clarity; we DO NOT need government in every aspect of our lives!! We DO NOT need government to save us!!

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Sophisticated 06/12/14 - 11:48 am
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Did you know?

How Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan pulled off one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated against the American people in the history of this great nation, and the underlying scam is still alive and well, more than a quarter century later. It represents the very foundation upon which the economic malpractice that led the nation to the great economic collapse of 2008 was built.

Ronald Reagan was a cunning politician, but he didn't know much about economics. Alan Greenspan was an economist, who had no reluctance to work with a politician on a plan that would further the cause of the right - wing goals that both he and President Reagan shared.
1. Pres. Reagan appointed Greenspan as chairman if the 1982 National Commission on Social Security Reform( aka The Greenspan Commission)
2.The Greenspan Commission recommended a major payroll tax hike to generate Social Security surpluses for the next 30 yrs, in order to build up a large reserve in the trust fund that could be drawn down during the years after Social Security began running deficits.
3. The 1983 Social Security amendments enacted hefty increases in the payroll tax in order to generate large future surpluses.
4. As soon as the first surpluses began to role in, in 1985, the money was put into the general revenue fund and spent on other government programs. None of the surplus was saved or invested in anything. The surplus Social Security revenue, that was paid by working Americans, was used to replace the lost revenue from Reagan's big income tax cuts that went primarily to the rich. And keep living and pay attention to the right- wing babble about how Social Security will be broke by 2020, because they still got their hands in the cookie jar. This time the Feds will haul someone off to jail.

jaymai
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jaymai 06/12/14 - 11:53 am
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carcraft: "Jaymia, the people

carcraft:
"Jaymia, the people that coordinated the repair of electric lines would be Georgia power, a private company."

I believe you're right. I stand corrected.

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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 06/12/14 - 12:30 pm
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jaymai

Apparently you missed the part about the teens and able bodied people who sat on the porch or peered out the windows while someone else cleaned up for them. Not everyone in public housing is disabled!
I say limit what items can be bought with EBT, the money saved would be tenfold the cost of inspectors or investigators to enforce it!!

jaymai
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jaymai 06/12/14 - 01:45 pm
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts: "I say

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts:
"I say limit what items can be bought with EBT, the money saved would be tenfold the cost of inspectors or investigators to enforce it!!"

No, Eat Big Time cards need to be eliminated altogether. Some people abuse these by selling credits for cash and "other indulgences" as well as parents who buy crab legs and steaks for themselves and their "baby daddies" and their kids eat ramen noodles and potato chips. This isn't hyperbole, I know this for a fact. There was a time when being on welfare meant eating "commodities", which included government issued cheese, spam and powdered milk. I think the government could help some of the local farmers while insuring these folks and their kids get some nutritious food in their bellies. The fact that some of these people are on welfare indicates that they've already made some questionable choices in life, and I think it's time we take "food choice" out of their lives as well. At least for the sake of their children. Yeah I know some of them will claim that they're allergic to vegetables and the only meat they can digest is skrimps. But I think others will appreciate the fact that they'll be getting some healthy food for a change.

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myfather15 06/12/14 - 05:47 pm
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jaymai

I agree 100% again!! We've got to give them incenitive to work!! If we provide them everything, many (not all) will never try to get back to being productive.

You're also 100% correct about the massive problem with EBT fraud, people selling them on the streets. Many times we have people trying to report their cards lost or stolen, only to find out they sold them for 30-40 cents on the dollar, with the agreement the person would return the card when finished, but never return it. Then, the person who the card is issued too, has to report it lost or stolen to get a new one.

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burninater 06/12/14 - 05:57 pm
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"What did we do before FEMA?

"What did we do before FEMA? Local and state governments handled the disaster problems without help from the government."
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100% false.

Federal provision of disaster relief or assistance has been occurring continuously for over two centuries.

"A series of devastating fires struck the port city of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, early in the 19th century. The 7th U.S. Congress passed a measure in 1803 that provided relief for Portsmouth merchants by extending the time they had for remitting tariffs on imported goods. This is widely considered the first piece of legislation passed by the federal government that provided relief after a disaster.

Between 1803 and 1930, ad hoc legislation was passed more than 100 times for relief or compensation after a disaster.

After the start of the Great Depression in 1929, President Herbert Hoover had commissioned the Reconstruction Finance Corporation in 1932. The purpose of the RFC was to lend money to banks and institutions to stimulate economic activity. RFC was also responsible for dispensing federal dollars in the wake of a disaster. RFC can be considered the first organized federal disaster response agency.

The Bureau of Public Roads in 1934 was given authority to finance the reconstruction of highways and roads after a disaster. The Flood Control Act of 1944 also gave the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers authority over flood control and irrigation projects and thus played a major role in disaster recovery from flooding.

Federal disaster relief and recovery was brought under the umbrella of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD),in 1973 by Presidential Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1973, and the Federal Disaster Assistance Administration was created as an organizational unit within the department. This agency would oversee disasters such as occurring until its incorporation into the FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency, created by Presidential Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1978, and implemented by Executive Orders 12127 and 12148.

Prior to implementation of Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1978 by E.O. 12127 and E.O. 12148, many government agencies were still involved in disaster relief; in some cases, more than 100 separate agencies might be jockeying for control and jurisdiction of a disaster.

Over the years, Congress increasingly extended the range of covered categories for assistance, and several presidential executive orders did the same. By enacting these various forms of legislative direction, Congress established a category for annual budgetary amounts of assistance to victims of various types of hazards or disasters, it specified the qualifications, and then it established or delegated the responsibilities to various federal and non-federal agencies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency

There's nothing wrong with opposing something, but for heaven's sake, at least take the time to find out if what you claim as an historical alternative is even true.

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Airman 06/12/14 - 06:04 pm
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FEMA

Some say FEMA should be abolished. I agree. I worked with Hiltop Rescue and Relief (volunteer group) during the aftermath of Katrina. Our teams were the first into New Orleans 4 days after the storm. A group from FEMA observed us working, cleaning/gutting houses and distributing food. After several days of this they ask could we handle several trailers of food and water daily. We said we could and did. They gave us five or six trailers every morning about six and came back in the evening to pick them up. They told us our system worked and theirs did not. Their crews drew a paycheck and did nothing. We did the work happily for free and helped 100's of people. Point is take it from the Fed and let the state take care of its own back yard

carcraft
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carcraft 06/12/14 - 07:11 pm
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I think we should give the

I think we should give the poor in need beans, grease, flour, some. Meat and a ration of veggies each week. Keep you alive, want more work for it.

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