Bergdahl deal disgraceful

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Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is being treated as a hero, and I assume most people are glad for his release by the Taliban. This is purely a political move on the part of the Obama administration, and to those who give only a passing nod to things, it probably will make the administration look good and on top of things!

In the first instance, Bergdahl is anything but heroic. There are a lot of questions surrounding his “captivity,” and I sincerely hope Congress will take these questions on in due time. To begin, Bergdahl didn’t appear to be a good soldier or a good citizen, and disparaged the Army he served in and the country he served. He reportedly expressed sympathy for the Taliban!

Those such as myself who have spent considerable time in uniform will know that he is a deserter in every sense of the word. He quit his post in the presence of an armed enemy intent on taking the lives of his comrades in any way possible!

My belief is that he intentionally turned himself over to the Taliban, or at least went where he knew they would find him.

As for the Obama administration, it intentionally broke the law by negotiating with terrorists, and the terrorists won by obtaining the release of five of their most ruthless and capable commanders, who soon will be back in the killing fields doing their work!

By negotiating with terrorists, the Obama administration now has set a price on the head of every American, particularly those who wear the uniform!

If you are a terrorist, capture an American and negotiate his or her release, apparently you surely will get what you want!

This is certainly one way for President Obama to fulfill his promise to close down the Guantanamo facility! Put the inmates back in the field!

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Pond Life
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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 10:10 am
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If he is a deserter who
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If he is a deserter who collaborated with the enemy, why didn't Obama just order a drone strike on him, and keep the Taliban prisoners? He's done it before?

And it has nothing to do what the fact that that the President is Obama. It has to do with the fact that he released 5, yes count them 5 enemy combatants for one alleged criminal, then had his national defense sec say that he served with honor and distinction. The deal he made was in violation of the law that he himself signed, yet you claim that we only dislike the deal because it is Obama? This makes no sense. Name another President who broke as many laws as this one......BLATANTLY and with no attempt at hiding it or remorse.

It has nothing to do with the President's name. It has everything to do with his criminal deeds.

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RMSHEFF 06/10/14 - 10:28 am
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Violating both the law and

Violating both the law and the constitution is a hallmark of this president. He has a pen and a phone. The sad part is that congress has surrendered their constitutional duty and authority to Obama's lawlessness out of fear. We can only sit back and wonder what will Obama do next with his pen and phone ! If Bush had done half of the things Obama has done I would be leading the charge for his impeachment. The flood of illegals coming across our southern border is a direct result of Obama not only refusing to enforce the laws of the land but preventing the states from enforcing the law. This is criminal !

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supercub88 06/10/14 - 10:48 am
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So quick to pass Judgement

1 - Every President from Lincoln to George "w" Breaks the law by using executive order whenever they need to.

2 - What if it were you, or your son ( or daughter )?

3 - He may have been a "conscientious objector " or crazy. Maybe he saw the stupidity of the war… No one knows the circumstances.

4 - The idea that soldiers are "currency" is nothing new. Please stop giving "O" the credit for this.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 10:57 am
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Executive orders are not in
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Executive orders are not in themselves a violation of the law.

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Darby 06/10/14 - 11:01 am
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"....ask yourself in this day and time can

you believe anything a Republican (sic) utter. I think not. They're transforming from the 'Party of No' to the 'Party of lies"

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Liberals/socialists/progressives do love their little slogans, don't they? "The Party of No", "War on Women", "Racists Republicans", et al. It goes over so well with an under educated base that is unable to think and reason for itself.

And it eliminates the need for facts and truth.

It's a strategy that's been somewhat successful in recent years due to the fact that the American media has largely been "in the tank" for Democrats.

Still, we're beginning to see signs that the nation is waking up and turning around. November is drawing ever closer.

Liberals, ask yourself, "At this point, what difference does it make?"

If socialism in America is dying, take comfort in the fact that Obama delivered the fatal blow.

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RMSHEFF 06/10/14 - 11:26 am
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Supercub88

I will ask you the same hypothetical question I asked earlier and did not get a response to: If we had captured Osama Bin Laden and had him in prison would you have supported trading him for Bergdahl ? Using your logic you would have to answer yes. It is not about the worth of the American being held but the question is should we exchange 5 terrorist leader for one soldier. This is a very bad precedent and will only lead to terrorist targeting and using American hostages to get whatever they want in the future. Those that have served in the armed forces see this issue much more clearly that those that have not. The question is, what is best for America and clearly Obama did not give much weight to that question because every military and intel advisor warned against his decision. My guess is that he made this decision base on his political agenda to close gitmo.

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jaymai 06/10/14 - 12:30 pm
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RMSHEFF: Maybe there was a

RMSHEFF: Maybe there was a reason you didn't get a response to:
"I will ask you the same hypothetical question I asked earlier and did not get a response to: If we had captured Osama Bin Laden and had him in prison would you have supported trading him for Bergdahl ?"

I'll show you.

I will ask you a hypothetical question: If the Taliban had captured Sarah Palin, would you support trading her for.....
never mind, bad example.

If the Taliban had captured Ronald Reagan, would you have supported trading him for 5 Gitmo detainees?

I know. That's a dumb question isn't it? OBL was the LEADER of the Taliban. These guys we traded were in essence, just soldiers.
Yes, it IS about the worth of the American. And we need to quit acting like this is unprecedented. Yes, we've exchanged POWs before the end of wars before. In 1953 there was a negotiated exchange of 684 sick and wounded United Nations forces for 6,200 sick and wounded communist forces. When the Vietnam War ended, 591 American POWs returned to the U.S. and some 6,000 anti-communist South Vietnamese captives were released compared with some 36,000 communist captives, a ratio of more than five to one, in addition to the billions President Nixon pledged in reconstruction aid. Even during the Civil War prisoner exchanges occurred. And they weren't always man for man. Google the Dix-Hill Cartel of 1862.

So there. I answered your question.
You're welcome.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 12:46 pm
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Here's the difference. Obama
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Here's the difference. Obama broke the law with his deal. Are you OK with that?

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Bizkit 06/10/14 - 12:46 pm
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We should have not made a

We should have not made a deal to release the Gitmo detainees under any condition. Palin, Reagan, Clinton-no matter. Bergdahl was not officially classified as a "prisoner of war" he was missing in action/captured-so that argument is moot. Neither is the war over so the president broke the law by returning assets to a terrorist organization of which we are at war. There is no evidence to indicate that Obama had a valid argument to not inform Congress since he did inform the parents about what was going on. He should have given thirty days notice for a deal years in the works.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 12:48 pm
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Actually Jaymai...you didn't
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Actually Jaymai...you didn't answer the question......is your answer yes or no?

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RMSHEFF 06/10/14 - 01:04 pm
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BIZKIT has answered correctly and I agree with his statement. These were not "just soldiers" they were leaders and the brains behind many of the attacks that killed or wounded countless Americans. They will be doing the same shortly but there is a principal in operation of NOT making deals with terrorist. This is why (all) of the American military command told Obama not to do it. In addition the war against terrorism is NOT over and by your own example we have traded POWs at the END of a WAR. I don't think you have thought this through.... Only the "politicians" around Obama supported this decision.

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jimmymac 06/10/14 - 01:20 pm
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OBAMA
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Every negotiation Obama has been involved in has turned out to be a disaster. Please Mr. President just play more golf, go on vacation and hob nob with celebrities. That's what you're good at but leave the governing and negotiating to someone else for the next two years.

jaymai
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jaymai 06/10/14 - 01:32 pm
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Pond Life: "Here's the

Pond Life: "Here's the difference. Obama broke the law with his deal. Are you OK with that?"

(Assuming for arguments sake, that he did break the law) Yes. An American soldier is free, alive and will soon be home safe. If someone used an "illegal" firearm to save a life, would you be OK with that?

Bizkit:
"We should have not made a deal to release the Gitmo detainees under any condition. Palin, Reagan, Clinton-no matter"

Well I guess we're done then. Nobody's life is worth more that you being right. I'll keep that in mind.

Pond Life:
"Actually Jaymai...you didn't answer the question......is your answer yes or no?"

Well that depends. Currently, OBL is fishbait, so sure, I'd give them the GPS coordinates and let them look for him. But if we assume he's still alive (which is what many of you guys actually wish - I know you can't stand the fact that he was killed under this president's watch -but I digress), then of course not. In fact, he would have been executed by now even if he were brought back alive, which never was the plan. I was actually hoping from my post that everyone would understand the difference between the most notorious monster of our time (no, not Obama), and the five terrorists who were released. But I guess not.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 01:35 pm
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So Jaymai.....are you ok with
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So Jaymai.....are you ok with the fact that Obama violated the law?

KSL
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KSL 06/10/14 - 01:39 pm
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I think we are getting a

I think we are getting a taste of what a dangerous person Obama is. He is putting American citizens at risk, particularly our troops. He is disregarding our laws and encouraging an invasion of illegals. Obamacare will cause a decline in income and health.

There is no telling what harm he can do to America in the next 2 years.

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jaymai 06/10/14 - 01:40 pm
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RMSHEFF: "In addition the

RMSHEFF: "In addition the war against terrorism is NOT over and by your own example we have traded POWs at the END of a WAR. I don't think you have thought this through."

The War on Terror will never be over. Just like the War on Drugs will never be over so we may as well sentence all the drug offenders to life in prison. Without a trial.

In each of those examples I gave, Korea, Vietnam and the Civil War, prisoner exchanges occurred BEFORE the end of the war. In the Civil War, the exchanges only stopped because the south refused to give any black Union soldiers back (go figure), assuming they all were probably runaway slaves.

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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 01:43 pm
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There is no reason to ASSUME
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There is no reason to ASSUME he broke the law. He ADMITTED that he broke the law.

jaymai...tell us, using facts, what makes these 5 terrorists less "monstrous" than Bin Laden.

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jaymai 06/10/14 - 01:43 pm
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KSL: "There is no telling

KSL: "There is no telling what harm he can do to America in the next 2 years."

Yeah. Good thing he hasn't come after our guns.
Yet.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 01:45 pm
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" In the Civil War, the
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" In the Civil War, the exchanges only stopped because the south refused to give any black Union soldiers back (go figure), assuming they all were probably runaway slaves."

Please site the source of this felonious information.

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Pond Life 06/10/14 - 01:47 pm
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As for saving a life with an
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As for saving a life with an illegal gun, I would be happy that the life was saved, and I would want the one who broke the law to be prosecuted for breaking the law. Do you feel Obama should be prosecuted for breaking the law that he admitted he was guilty of?

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myfather15 06/10/14 - 01:49 pm
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Walk off the Battle field and

Walk off the Battle field and join the enemy?

NO, people do not JUST do that!! Maybe in a liberal's mind; where there exists nothing but emotions and theory!!

But back in the real world, people do not just do that. Leftists make it sound like he just went for a walk in the park and got lost!! Even attempting to possibly blame his platoon members, saying he might have been bullied!! Aaaaaawww, poor fellow!! It isn't his fault!!

This man (Bergdahl) is a disgusting traitor!! I wouldn't have traded a broken watch for him!! Nor, would I trade a broken watch for the Communist in the White House!!

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RMSHEFF 06/10/14 - 02:03 pm
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jaymai you said:

"The War on Terror will never be over."

You admitted that the war will never be over so why would to replenish the enemy with the leadership they need to keep killing Americans? All the other example you gave, the war was with a country and the war did ended. I have no idea of the relevance of comparing terrorism to the drug war but would you release a drug kingpin in exchange for a policeman they were holding....if so you could count on the drug dealer taking more police hostages.

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jaymai 06/10/14 - 02:05 pm
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Pond Life: (Questioning

Pond Life:
(Questioning historical facts I cited concerning The War of Northern Aggression That Wasn't About Slavery)

'In the Civil War, the exchanges only stopped because the south refused to give any black Union soldiers back (go figure), assuming they all were probably runaway slaves.'

Please site the source of this felonious information."

Like I said in my earlier post, Google the Dix-Hill Cartel of 1862
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dix%E2%80%93Hill_Cartel

You're welcome.

jaymai
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jaymai 06/10/14 - 02:12 pm
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myfather15: "This man

myfather15: "This man (Bergdahl) is a disgusting traitor!!" So say his army "buddies" so I guess that settles it. Who needs a trial? I guess this is one of those times when you just forget about constitutional rights. In fact, when his "buddies" said that Bergdahl "wouldn't drink beer or eat barbecue" I'm sure southerners were ready to hang him for treason right then.

"Nor, would I trade a broken watch for the Communist in the White House!!"

You know its a fact that even a broken watch is right twice a day. Maybe this was one of those times?

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RMSHEFF 06/10/14 - 02:15 pm
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MYFATHER

Once upon a time deserters were hunted down and shot. The military takes the crime of desertion very seriously. This is why almost all those who served in war time view the actions of Obama (the commander and chief) as treasonous but Obama has never had much respect for our military.

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jaymai 06/10/14 - 02:19 pm
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Pond Life: "Do you feel Obama

Pond Life:
"Do you feel Obama should be prosecuted for breaking the law that he admitted he was guilty of?"

I don't know. Maybe this is one of those times when the President figured he'd rather be tried by 12 than have an American soldier carried by 6."

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KSL 06/10/14 - 02:22 pm
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Obama, who doesn't understand

Obama, who doesn't understand being an American, refused the advice of his military advisors.

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RMSHEFF 06/10/14 - 02:25 pm
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jaymia

Lets face it. Obama made this deal so he could close gitmo sometime within the next two years. Just watch !

KSL
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KSL 06/10/14 - 02:25 pm
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Well, it has backfired on

Well, it has backfired on him, according to the polls. Now we need to hold him accountable.

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jaymai 06/10/14 - 02:31 pm
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MYFATHER: "Once upon a time

MYFATHER: "Once upon a time deserters were hunted down and shot."

When you give me your source for this "felonious" information, I'll give you my source for this:

"In the United States, before the Civil War, deserters from the Army were flogged; after 1861, tattoos or branding were also used. The maximum U.S. penalty for desertion in wartime remains death, although this punishment was last applied to Eddie Slovik in 1945. No U.S. serviceman has received more than 24 months imprisonment for desertion or missing movement since the beginning of the post September 11, 2001, era."

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