Bundy follows example

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I find that I must agree with the underlying theme of Thomas Mills’ letter regarding Cliven Bundy and his refusal to pay grazing fees for his cattle on public land (“Editorial was a disgrace,” April 23)

Bundy went into this affair knowing that there is a charge to feed his privately owned cattle at the expense of the American taxpayer. It is therefore criminal that he refuses to pay the fairly accrued fees as required by law, and upheld by the court. However, to bring Obama into the argument was Mills’ mistake. After all, Bundy is simply following the president’s example of blatant disregard for the law – the most glaring example of which is his disregard of the deadlines enacted into the law by Congress, and approved by his own signature, for the political gain of the Democratic Party.

Obama has proved himself to be, I believe, the most lawless, least law-abiding president in the history of this country. He cannot bring himself to obey a law – the Affordable Care Act – that was written to his own criteria, and at his direction. When he must follow his own law and it does not suit his purposes, he simply disobeys his own creation.

With examples such as this in America’s highest office, what can one expect out of its citizens? Disobedience of the law of the land by the president of the land is the example upon which Bundy can base his actions. Who is the greater lawbreaker?

Sorry, but Mr. Mills’ complaint about attacking Obama holds no water in support of his side of the argument. If this still was a country of law and justice, Obama’s cell number would have nothing to do with a phone.

Walter Schmidt

Augusta

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swcohen
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swcohen 04/28/14 - 12:21 pm
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Bundy 2016?

Seems to me that Mr. Bundy is a perfect example of the conservative GOP spirit these days. You guys going to run him for president?

carcraft
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carcraft 04/28/14 - 12:28 pm
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I know, Bundy could open a

I know, Bundy could open a "green " energy renewable fuel source called "BUNDY'S BURNERS". Bundy could gather cow pies and mold them into little cow pie bricks. Bundy could then Obama would have given Bundy millions instead of trying to collect a few measly hundred thousand.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 04/28/14 - 12:33 pm
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imagine if the cows were

imagine if the cows were illegal ...free vet care from the govt.

corgimom
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corgimom 04/28/14 - 01:01 pm
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Bundy doesn't get to decide

Bundy doesn't get to decide who he pays his land fees to, who would ever think such a thing? It's Federal land, and if the courts say that that he has to pay them to the Feds, that's the end of it.

This junk about paying them to the State of Nevada is just his way of evading them.

He is not mentally sound, and it is amazing to me how people want to support him. But now his "revelations" are coming to light, and people will be able to see just how his mind works.

Nobody is guaranteed any business, and it's not the obligation of the US to make it so that he can have a cattle ranch. Who would think that? That sounds very much like something that a liberal Democrat would say, that the US has an obligation to make sure that he has a business. Well, they don't.

That land was declared Federal land long ago, and his family was compensated for it, IF they were the legal owners. This didn't just happen.

In my opinion, he is dangerous, he is not mentally healthy, and he has to live by laws just like anybody else.

carcraft
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carcraft 04/28/14 - 01:15 pm
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Corgimom, nobody owes you a

Corgimom, nobody owes you a loving, Who would think that? Green energy company CEO's , welfare recipients, Senators who think they can cut deals with Chinese solar companies, BLM folks who think the can appropriate large swaths of privately owned land in Texas,gosh, the list is now almost endless. Not to mention if your kids are illegal aliens they pay in state tuition and if you are here illegally you can sign up for food stamps and health care !

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KSL 04/28/14 - 01:15 pm
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You mean like obama, holder,

You mean like obama, holder, lerner, ad infinitum have to live by the laws?

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burninater 04/28/14 - 01:34 pm
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"burn...its funny that the

"burn...its funny that the libs always classify people by groups, race and sex, old and young, poor and working.."
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That is true. Real demographic differences exist in society. The difference is that responsible individuals don't use those categories to propagate ignorant and/or racist ideas.

For example, the liberal gov't plantation claim. The broadest form of direct gov't assistance is, arguably, the food stamp program.

85% of Whites have NEVER used food stamps.
69% of Blacks have NEVER used food stamps.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demogra...

There is only a 16% difference between Black and White lifetime food stamp usage, and the supermajority of Blacks have never received food stamps in their life.

Yet folks claim that Blacks, as a whole -- "except for the few Conservatives" -- are somehow slaves to gov't assistance.

A broad claim about the nature of a racial group that is directly contradicted by reality is racist, ignorant, or both.

If anyone has a kinder word to use to describe using false ideas to disparage an entire racial group besides the two I came up with, please tell me. I would like to find a nicer way to express this, but don't see where that is possible. It is what it is.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 01:38 pm
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"Yet folks claim that Blacks,
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"Yet folks claim that Blacks, as a whole -- "except for the few Conservatives" -- are somehow slaves to gov't assistance."

Well....apparently 31% are.....by YOUR statistics.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 01:39 pm
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I do think it is a shame that
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I do think it is a shame that the Government sent FAR more armed personnel to stop a trespasser than they sent to keep our Ambassador alive in Libya.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 01:41 pm
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"A broad claim about the
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"A broad claim about the nature of a racial group that is directly contradicted by reality is racist, ignorant, or both."

Good point. So forcing Affirmative Action on the nation on the assumption that without it, the entire nation will discriminate against minorities is racist, ignorant, or both.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 01:46 pm
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PL, nobody ever claimed that

PL, nobody ever claimed that noone has used food stamps in their life, Black, White, or whatever.

What they DID claim was that the fact that a minority of Black people at one time received gov't assistance indicated Blacks as a whole -- except a few "Uncle Toms" -- are "slaves" of the gov't "plantation". They did NOT make the claim that the fact that a minority of White people at one time received food stamps indicated that Whites as a whole are likewise "slaves" of the "plantation".

Are you really hoping to defend this racist tripe?

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 01:49 pm
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"Good point. So forcing

"Good point. So forcing Affirmative Action on the nation on the assumption that without it, the entire nation will discriminate against minorities is racist, ignorant, or both."
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Agreed. The more effective response to discrimination against minorities in education and the workplace is severe civil fines, and/or prison.

Affirmative Action was a cop-out designed by those in power to protect themselves from the real consequences of violating an individual's Constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 01:49 pm
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"What they DID claim was that
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"What they DID claim was that the fact that a minority of Black people at one time received gov't assistance indicated Blacks as a whole -- except a few "Uncle Toms" -- are "slaves" of the gov't "plantation". "

Who did?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 01:51 pm
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"Agreed. The more effective
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"Agreed. The more effective response to discrimination against minorities in education and the workplace is severe civil fines, and/or prison."

Agreed....with one exception. Remove the words "against minorities." Discrimination against everyone should be treated the same.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 01:54 pm
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"Who did?"

"Who did?"

Deestafford, 11:16am. This is directly taken from the post.

"By the way, if a black escapes the liberal plantation and becomes a Conservative they become an "Uncle Tom" ''Oreo" "Sell Out" or "House N*gg*r". Why? Because the scales were lifted from their eyes and they saw the Light of Individual Freedom."

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 01:56 pm
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I don't see him/her in any
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I don't see him/her in any way generalizing an entire race with that comment. As a matter of fact, many, many examples can be given where this is shown to be true.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 01:54 pm
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"Agreed....with one

"Agreed....with one exception. Remove the words "against minorities." Discrimination against everyone should be treated the same."

I have no argument with that.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 02:00 pm
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"I don't see him/her in any

"I don't see him/her in any way generalizing an entire race with that comment."
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Right. There is no racial generalization intended by the use of "pickin' cotton" and "plantation". Who could come to that conclusion?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 02:07 pm
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Racial
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Racial perhaps......generalizing the entire race, NO. Just because you enslave a minority of the people does not make them any less enslaved.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 02:13 pm
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How does referencing the
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How does referencing the things that slaves did mean that you are generalizing an entire race? Are you saying that slaves didn't pick cotton on plantations? I agree....Who could come to that conclusion?

corgimom
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corgimom 04/28/14 - 02:14 pm
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"Corgimom, nobody owes you a

"Corgimom, nobody owes you a loving, Who would ever think that?"

Hahaha, that's the funniest thing that I've read in ages!

I'll be sure to tell Mr. Corgidad when he gets home.

HAHAHAHA! This made my day!

corgimom
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corgimom 04/28/14 - 02:18 pm
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Burn, PL is highly against

Burn, PL is highly against Affirmative Action.

She is too young to remember how it was for women in the 60's and the 70's, when women were routinely discriminated against.

And she can take care of herself. She said so. Except it was women like ME who made it so that she can "take care of herself".

Ah, the young.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 02:20 pm
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Well...for starters corgi,
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Well...for starters corgi, you don't know my age. Second.....if something happened in the 60's and 70's why keep trying to fix it now? Tell me what has to happen before Affirmative Action can be stopped? Be specific.

corgimom
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corgimom 04/28/14 - 02:19 pm
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"As a matter of fact, many,

"As a matter of fact, many, many examples can be given where this is shown to be true."

And there are many, many examples that can be given where this is shown to be false, also.

So what's the point?

carcraft
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carcraft 04/28/14 - 02:20 pm
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Sorry auto correct is funny,

Sorry auto correct is funny, glad I made your day! Should read a living!

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 02:21 pm
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"So what's the point?"The
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"So what's the point?"

The point is that NO generalization of the entire race was being made. Either way!

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 02:23 pm
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News flash, PL. Brace

News flash, PL. Brace yourself.

In America, "pickin' cotton" on "plantations" specifically references the experience of Blacks in America.

I know, this is shocking information. Who knew, right?

This might have something to do with why liberal gov't plantation theory never refers to White recipients of assistance as "pickin' cotton" on the "plantation", no?

In fact, I don't think I remember a proponent of liberal gov't plantation theory EVER referencing a White recipient of gov't assistance. Got any examples?

corgimom
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corgimom 04/28/14 - 02:22 pm
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It is very obvious by your

It is very obvious by your statements, PL, that you are relatively young, otherwise you would understand why Affirmative Action was so necessary.

As to "Why fix it now?"- wait until I stop laughing- it HASN"T been "fixed", not nearly enough as it should be.

If you don't think that women are frequently discriminated against in the workplace, I truly don't know what to tell you.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/28/14 - 02:25 pm
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Tell us Corgi...what has to
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Tell us Corgi...what has to happen before Affirmative Action can be ended.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/14 - 02:26 pm
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"If you don't think that

"If you don't think that women are frequently discriminated against in the workplace, I truly don't know what to tell you."
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Corgi, PL is having a hard time understanding what could be racist about focusing solely on Black recipients of gov't assistance, ignoring the White recipients who receive assistance in comparable numbers, and using slavery symbolism in the process.

I wouldn't beat myself up over feeling like communication may be impossible on some issues.

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