Bundy follows example

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I find that I must agree with the underlying theme of Thomas Mills’ letter regarding Cliven Bundy and his refusal to pay grazing fees for his cattle on public land (“Editorial was a disgrace,” April 23)

Bundy went into this affair knowing that there is a charge to feed his privately owned cattle at the expense of the American taxpayer. It is therefore criminal that he refuses to pay the fairly accrued fees as required by law, and upheld by the court. However, to bring Obama into the argument was Mills’ mistake. After all, Bundy is simply following the president’s example of blatant disregard for the law – the most glaring example of which is his disregard of the deadlines enacted into the law by Congress, and approved by his own signature, for the political gain of the Democratic Party.

Obama has proved himself to be, I believe, the most lawless, least law-abiding president in the history of this country. He cannot bring himself to obey a law – the Affordable Care Act – that was written to his own criteria, and at his direction. When he must follow his own law and it does not suit his purposes, he simply disobeys his own creation.

With examples such as this in America’s highest office, what can one expect out of its citizens? Disobedience of the law of the land by the president of the land is the example upon which Bundy can base his actions. Who is the greater lawbreaker?

Sorry, but Mr. Mills’ complaint about attacking Obama holds no water in support of his side of the argument. If this still was a country of law and justice, Obama’s cell number would have nothing to do with a phone.

Walter Schmidt

Augusta

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ymnbde
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ymnbde 04/28/14 - 05:06 am
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that "tax" wasn't always a tax

how many will pay a new tax based on how many miles they drive,
as some democrats have proposed?
Bundy does show a main division in the thought process of liberals, though, in that conservatives are angry at the principles being violated- armed federal agents being used on a relatively trivial matter that should have been done through the courts
and Harry Reid using government to line his own pockets in such an ostentatious manner
while liberals are focusing on the man, as if the government can do anything they want based on his personality (if you haven't read the entire transcript of what he said, you are victim to the biased way the media has reported his words)
one citizen protesting a new tax
that is the American way

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 04/28/14 - 05:11 am
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its not a tax ...it a fee

its not a tax ...it a fee that is in dispute...

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localguy55 04/28/14 - 05:47 am
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Good side by side comparison

Good side by side comparison of Bundy and Obama. But the best sentence in the letter was the last one. Had to laugh at that. I can picture in my mind that when they Marched Obama in to the prison, the inmates start chanting "NEW FISH, NEW FISH, NEW FISH.....

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karradur 04/28/14 - 06:17 am
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Cliven Bundy is a rational man, right? Guys? …Guys?

"The crowd, fresh off their victory at the Battle of Bunkerville, gives Bundy a standing ovation. But he doesn’t seem pleased. He reproaches the crowd for failing to follow the word of God – to the letter – which he says is being delivered through him. They failed, for example, to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.

"The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.”

Cliven continues, sermon-like: "The records of our bible — how long have they been kept? Thousands of years. They’ve been turned over generation after generation, buried, and all kinds of things happen to ‘em. And yet, here, something I felt was inspired [by God] and yet we haven’t even carried it forth for even a couple of days. Shame on us.” Smattering of clapping.

He goes on to explain that, although they managed to deter the BLM, they failed to do it "within one hour," as the revelation had prophesied. So when an hour passes, he decides to get in his bulldozer and march on the BLM himself. The dozer gets stuck in the mud and he receives another revelation.

“It come to my mind real plain — the good Lord said, ‘Bundy, it’s not your job, it’s THEIR job.’ So we come back over here and heard that they had brought some cattle back. So I want you to understand,” addressing the crowd, "This is not my job, it’s YOUR job.

"This morning, I said a prayer, and this is what I received. I heard a voice say, 'Sheriff Gillespie, your work is not done. Every sheriff across the United States, take the guns away from the United States bureaucrats.’” Lots of clapping for this."

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bundy-ranch-uncensored?click=promo

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corgimom 04/28/14 - 06:38 am
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"armed federal agents being

"armed federal agents being used on a relatively trivial matter that should have been done through the courts"

Well, ymnbde, the US government has already taken him to court, and Mr. Bundy LOST, and ignored the court rulings.

So is Bundy above the law? I think not, and he owes over $1 million to the government.

For anybody else, that would mean a prison term. If you owed $1 million to the government, what would happen to you?

But now Bundy has shown himself to be the racist that he is, and his "supporters" are becoming fewer and farther inbetween.

corgimom
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corgimom 04/28/14 - 06:40 am
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While this is just my

While this is just my personal opinion, Bundy is absolutely nuts, and why anybody would support this man is beyond me.

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localguy55 04/28/14 - 06:46 am
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Obama does not tell lies to the American people, right? Guys?...

I can't say I know Cliven Bundy enough to trust everything he says concerning his dispute, but I can say with certainty the I don't trust a word coming out of the mouth of the Dear Leader. He has proven to the world that he is a liar, and disrespects the rule of law.

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KSL 04/28/14 - 06:48 am
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I feel the same way about

I feel the same way about Obama. Why does anybody support that liar and thief?

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 04/28/14 - 07:08 am
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He lost multiple court cases.

He lost multiple court cases. He lied about his family history on the land. He associated with thieves and murderers, and is himself a thief. The BLM began confiscating cattle PER COURT ORDER ON US GOVERNMENT LAND and Bundy's son assaulted an officer and his police dog and Bundy's supporters began to threaten the officers with more violence. Hannityitis. Ignore facts. Support a racist anti-American and his group of domestic terrorist backers who are so brave they planned to hide behind women and children. If you hate this country so much, LEAVE IT!!!!!!!! REAGAN IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED FOR THE BLM FEES. The right wing won't blame their Lord and Savior though, never (excuse me, that's not Reagan, that's money.) Pack it up, and move to a country of your chosing that you don't hate. Anywhere but here. We prefer loyal American who can tell reality from fiction and don't support cop killing, scam artist, who plan to attack its citizens with chemical weapons and their extremist supporters who hate just for the sake of hating. Don't ket the door hit you on the way out, although not many countries like to accept traitors and terrorist supporters within their borders so, good luck. Maybe when all of our troops leave Afghanistan and if the Taliban and Al-Qaeda move back in, that'll be a good place. Same morals, same goals. Hate America, hate its government, hate its government, hate its laws, hate its citizens unless, of course, they're fellow terrorist sypathizers seeking the death and destruction of the loyal citizens of this country. It's pretty sickening, but the country will be better off without people who hate it so much.

carcraft
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carcraft 04/28/14 - 07:18 am
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Bod, in the beginning

Bod, in the beginning paragraph of your comment I thought you were talking about Obama!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/28/14 - 07:36 am
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Obama supported a racist

Obama supported a racist pastor, a bone fide terrorist (communist Weather underground) and murderer Bill Ayers, he got elected to office using political corruption-which he continues to this day, and Obama has no clue reality and lives a life of fiction-his own delusional reality . We do prefer loyal Americans and perhaps next election we may get a president who is one. Both Bundy and Obama are crazy ideologues and both ignorant (Obama has had numerous mis-statements to support his ignorance-like 57 states). Both Obama and Bundy ignore the rule of law, are ignorant racist, don't live in reality, and are just common con artist who try to manipulate people-likely both sociopaths. Ooops almost forgot both pathological liars--that goes with the sociopath.

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nocnoc 04/28/14 - 07:37 am
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Tell everybody what

Before we have another WACO.
How about the USSC appoint an INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR?

An for once let the American People have all the facts.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/28/14 - 07:48 am
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We need several independent

We need several independent investigators to sort out all the scandals.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/28/14 - 07:59 am
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Boy Obama won the presidency

Boy Obama won the presidency saying we were fighting the wrong war-that is in Afghanistan. Wow he really stuck it to em didn't he? Obama is a foreign affairs nightmare, economic nightmare, and social nightmare yet a bunch of ignorant supporters who hate America, the constitution, and the rule of law support him-they are called progressive Dems.

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t3bledsoe 04/28/14 - 08:20 am
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corgimom @ 7:38

"So is Bundy above the law? I think not, and he owes over $1 million to the government"

Why dosen't Solindra owe the millions of dollars they probably pocketed under the ruse of needing to go out of business?

KSL
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KSL 04/28/14 - 08:29 am
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Good question.

Good question.

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edcushman 04/28/14 - 09:06 am
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"Disobedience of the law of
Unpublished

"Disobedience of the law of the land by the president of the land is the example upon which Bundy can base his actions"
Obama has broke enough laws to be impeached but the repubs do not have the guts to impeach the 1st black president, well 1/2 black.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 04/28/14 - 09:24 am
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Harry Reid classifies Bundy

Harry Reid classifies Bundy and Obama as "domestic terrorist" because they neither obey the rule of law. I bet Obama isn't too happy with Reid's implication and guilt by association that he too is a "domestic terrorist". But Obama does really qualify because he has killed Americans and Bundy hasn't killed anyone.

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deestafford 04/28/14 - 09:31 am
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Bundy has never said he did not owe grazing fees which...

Bundy has never said he did not owe grazing fees which he had been paying for years. He just disagreed with to whom he should continue to pay them to. He wanted to pay them to the state who should own the land. He recognized he had to pay the grazing fees.

His family had been on that land for over one hundred years and when
the federal government wanted to reduced the amount of grazing land and the number of cattle in the early 90's he began his protests. With the reductions he could not survive as a rancher. Because the government forced out of 50 other ranchers in southern Nevada Bundy is the only rancher left there.

Over the years the Bundy family had put in many watering holes, pumps and pipe lines to support the cattle. When the BLM went in they torn up this watering systems as well as killed two prized bulls and a number of the mother cows with calves.

Over the weekend I read the entire quote made by Bundy. It was the first part of the interview that had never been seen before by me. I thought I had seen it all but the part that led into the sometimes quoted part was missing. If people would read that part they would see he is no bigot nor a racist. His "problem" is he is a man of an older generation who lives in the desert, faraway from the "intelligentcia" who eruditely speak about the sad situation of blacks on the government plantation.

I must say I'm very disappointed in some commentators on the Right who jumped on the "bigot" bandwagon without all the facts. Sean Hannity and O'Reilly at the top of that list.. Although, I no longer watch O'Reilly.

The big issue are the land grabs, not just in this case, of the federal and state governments. The liberal administrations continue to add more and more land to the federal holdings. This is well beyond anything the Founders ever invisioned and is nothing more than just a never ending thirst for power and degradation of the private individual rights.

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burninater 04/28/14 - 09:45 am
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Bundy is such a powerful

Bundy is such a powerful prophet, he started following Obama's example 19 years before his first election! Can I get an Amen!

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burninater 04/28/14 - 10:01 am
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"Bundy has never said he did

"Bundy has never said he did not owe grazing fees which he had been paying for years. He just disagreed with to whom he should continue to pay them to. He wanted to pay them to the state who should own the land. He recognized he had to pay the grazing fees."
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Really? What, did he put them in escrow to demonstrate that recognition? That's pretty much the standard for such a situation. That's what anyone who wasn't simply lying about his intentions would do. Did he?

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burninater 04/28/14 - 10:02 am
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And finally, "...blacks on

And finally, "...blacks on the government plantation."

Seriously.

Of course you don't think Bundy's a bigot.

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deestafford 04/28/14 - 10:16 am
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Burn, Bundy said he has the money...

Burn, Bundy said he has the money--which, by the way appears is not a million dollars as reported--and willing to pay it to the state. If the government wants to put a lien on his property they should. That is the proper legal route.

The government wants to give the land to a Chinese solar panel company to put up a solar farm. With the price of beef being at an all time high, I think there is more of a shortage of beef than there is sun.

Too many blacks are living on the liberal plantation because the liberals don't think they are capable of taking care of themselves and must live at the trough of the federal government welfare system. Their housing, medical care, food, cell phones et al are provided by the government. The difference is they don't have to earn it by pickin' cotton or doing any work. They are not in a safety net...they are lying in a hammock.

By the way, if a black escapes the liberal plantation and becomes a Conservative they become an "Uncle Tom" ''Oreo" "Sell Out" or "House N*gg*r". Why? Because the scales were lifted from their eyes and they saw the Light of Individual Freedom.

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carcraft 04/28/14 - 10:19 am
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No more so than when Holder

No more so than when Holder talks about my people . Oh I get it, we will comb Bundy's past for what ever we can get to tar him , but Cummings asking IRS Learner to investigate and give information about a conservative group, it is move along folks , nothing to see here right. Gee maybe he press could find time to actually investigate The IRS between trashing Bundy and ignoring Fast and Furious, targeting reporters, and Bengahzi talking points. It is amazing what the Lame streams think that is important.

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burninater 04/28/14 - 10:33 am
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Well, I have to say -- one

Well, I have to say -- one good thing that has come out of this Bundy case is many more Americans have become aware of the racist delusion of "liberal gov't plantation" theory.

If I had a dollar for every disgusted person that's said "Sometimes I forget that people that think like that are out there", I'd be well on my way to paying off Bundy's little welfare queen episode myself.

How does a middle-aged white man in Nevada sucking off the gov't teat fit into liberal gov't plantation theory? Is he just an "honorary bro"? You may have to fill me in on the correct racist terminology for this case, dee -- your last post demonstrates a keen fluency.

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carcraft 04/28/14 - 10:51 am
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LOL, consider Bundy a green

LOL, consider Bundy a green energy company, thatMakes it very easy. Bundy takes the subsidized grazing land and produces a product that employs people and feeds people unlike green energy companies. Now folks on the welfare plantation only take and produce nothing but crime and ignorance.

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nofanofobama 04/28/14 - 10:56 am
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burn...its funny that the

burn...its funny that the libs always classify people by groups, race and sex, old and young, poor and working...funny the classic definition of racist is to say one race is better than another...now i feel what bundy was trying to say ...is that the majority of blacks who live in the inner city cannot be happy..given drugs, crime unemployment no hope etc...now it might have NOT been said it to to your approval or satisfaction...but given the benefit of the doubt i believe it was obvious...unlike libs and progressives who have cried for special and preferential treatment of minorities now for 50 years or so...were are allyou saying that they are inferior..that is racist...the last 30 years we have descriminated agianst individuals because they were of the wrong sex or race...the 1st 20 years of affirmative action was probably needed but a bad policy..since the great society program we have spent ie the govt almost 20 trillion in welfare programs..countless dollars in the private sector to conform to govt regulations concerning hiring..what do we have??? a minority community broken by the govt and a white community of poor that is treading rapidly in the same direction..this is what i feel burndy was trying to say...and if so hes right

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Bizkit 04/28/14 - 10:57 am
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After a little research I

After a little research I discovered the cow patties of Bundy's cows serve as a great resource for fungi and dung beetles and is ecologically significant. In fact a rare dung beetle once thought extinct has been discovered in Bundy's dung so now the cows and tortoises need to be protected. LOL. That would just be too hilarious if true.

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carcraft 04/28/14 - 11:09 am
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Now if Bundy were only in

Now if Bundy were only in America illegally.....

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