Christianity is a hard sell

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Christianity is not practical because it takes away our own individuality, and our ability to make our own decisions and to live our lives in freedom. If we follow its biblical rules, then we actually commit our lives to its founder, Jesus Christ, and in that commitment we are no longer our own, but we belong to Him!

This kind of surrender goes against our own nature – and why would one want to bring others into this same lifestyle? Every Sunday morning on television, we see their sad faces as they sing about how happy they are to know this Jesus. Why should anyone ever want to get involved in this religion?

Yet we must admit it has made a deep impression upon the history of the world and especially on that of the United States.

Maybe Christians need a new public relations man – or maybe they have lost something in their lives. After all, it is not very popular to be a Christian today! You know, the book they base their faith on seems to be outlawed. Even prayer appears to be restricted in public settings, and the only time the name of Jesus is permitted is as a swear word.

Funny, the personal contact with the God of Creation is no longer exciting. Too bad. He just won’t go away!

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deestafford 02/08/14 - 01:19 am
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Yeah. A lot of what you say is true, but...

Yeah. A lot of what you say is true, but HE never say it would be easy for narrow is the way. GOD gave us free will to follow HIS SON or follow Satan. Sin and following Satan can be fun for awhile but eventually it's like rust in a car that's been flooded...the rust eats it from the inside until it is useless, broken, and nobody wants it.

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bubbasauce 02/08/14 - 02:42 am
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Gil I would hate to be you

Gil I would hate to be you when I am dead and gone. You must be one miserable person!

bubbasauce
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bubbasauce 02/08/14 - 02:45 am
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What's that old saying "I

What's that old saying "I would rather be wrong as a believer than right as a nonbeliever!"

specsta
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specsta 02/08/14 - 03:43 am
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The Big Sell

Christianity would be an easy sell if Christians actually acted like Christ.

This means caring for the poor, healing the sick, visiting and caring for those in prison, showing mercy to others, seeking peace, caring for strangers, clothing the poor and feeding the hungry.

Contrast this lifestyle with the environment today, propagated by conservative, so-called "Christian values" - cutting food aid, foreclosing on homes, draconian prison sentences, promoting war as a solution, showing no compassion for the poor and sick, the hatred of strangers and the lack of hospitality to others.

Matthew 25:42 - "For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

As Gandhi is rumored to have said, "I don't reject Christ. I love Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ."

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myfather15 02/08/14 - 07:28 am
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Specsta

Just because you LIE and repeat the left's lies about Christian conservatives, doesn't make it true!!

Christian's DO FEED AND CLOTHE people, far more than any left wing group!! The Churches do more charity work than ANY other group!!! Then, we as INDIVIDUALS, help people!! THAT, is the commandment of Christ!! WE are to help other's, not give to the government, so the government can help them!! We are supposed to sacrifice our money AND TIME; to helping others. Not just give money and think that will save us!! You're confusing compassion for others, with submitting to the government!! I HELP others!!! But that doesn't mean I want to give more taxes to a wasteful government!!

Once again, everything is about MONEY with you guys!! Christian Conservative organizations do FAR more chartible work than their left wing counterparts!!

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carcraft 02/08/14 - 07:46 am
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Christians have been

Christians have been hypocrites since the Start, read Paul's "miserable man that I am .." in one of his epistles. Christians did end Slavery, they do visit prisons, look up a prison ministry called Kyrois, Epiphany for youth prisons. What do you think the young people at the VA were doing and told they couldn't do? the Salvation army, Augusta Rescue Mission,Augusta's Golden Harvest food bank was started by a Christian here in Augusta to feed the hungry. A lot of churches have food and clothing pantries. Churchs all over the area provide serves to the poor, look up interfaith hospitality. Christians have built hospitals, why was St Joe's here in Augusta called St. Joe's, and now Trinity? Of course at times you can miss the Forrest for the trees. Look at the mercy ships from YWAM that go around the World providing medical care. I could go one for hours! Christian groups have people providing missionary trips every year going around the World. Of course if you want to keep sin on your life it is easy to make excuses. As to the letter writer, Paul says either we choose to serve sin or we choose to serve God!

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myfather15 02/08/14 - 08:23 am
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Deleted comment!!

Deleted comment!!

carcraft
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carcraft 02/08/14 - 07:42 am
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During the snow storm Chick

During the snow storm Chick Fila provided free meals to stranded motorists.

carcraft
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carcraft 02/08/14 - 07:49 am
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Despite the hypocrisy I live

Despite the hypocrisy I live being a Christian I do want to share the Good News, that God Loves Us and Christ Died and was raised from the dead so we can have fellowship with God.

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corgimom 02/08/14 - 07:51 am
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myfather, you are way, way

myfather, you are way, way off. Gil Ward used to post on here, and he is like you, a conservative and a Christian.

He was being sarcastic, do you not realize that?

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corgimom 02/08/14 - 07:57 am
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And myfather, it is grossly

And myfather, it is grossly inappropriate for you to tell Specsta that he lies; he makes some very good points that we should all consider.

Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they lie. He's entitled to his viewpoints, too.

myfather15
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myfather15 02/08/14 - 08:25 am
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But you are also confusing

But you are also confusing Christianity (which is a reality) to organized RELIGION (which more often than not, are based on MENS TRADITIONS)!!!

Maybe you should learn that the Bible actually tells us to leave the traditions of men and come to traditions of God!! Maybe if you would SEEK Him first, you would learn that you do NOT have to be in one of these Churches, to be a Christian!! Then you would start to learn the TRUTH of God's Word and you would find out it's much different than the traditions of men!!

You would learn that FREE WILL is exactly why ALL OF US, are here in the flesh!! That from the moment He created us, We had Free Will!! Many, chose to use that Free will to harm others and follow a different entity; and this is exactly why we are here!! There WAS a rebellion against Him of those who refuse to give Him credence!! There was a certain entity who led that rebellion!! Then God destroyed THAT dispensation of time, which was right here on earth; and began a NEW dispensation (flesh age) right here on earth. Born as babes, with no memory of former things!! Our minds wiped clean, so that we may form OUR OWN opinions and make decisions, from our very souls. With no DIRECT influence from anyone!! One where we DO HAVE free will!! Free to choose which path to take!! Therefore when we make that decision to give him credence or rebel, WE are responsible for our own punishment!! We "made our bed, now we must lie in it."

Now, I realize some would say "Yeah, that's a loving God that says follow me or burn in Hell." But, the simple fact is that it is NECCESSARY for there to be eternal peace in Heaven!! Because ALL THOSE who refuse to behave themselves and follow a few simple rules, will NOT BE THERE!! Freedom is NOT free!! With freedom comes great responsibility, responsibility to DISCIPLINE yourself and not cause trouble for other people!! People who won't discipline themselves to not HARM OTHERS will NOT be there; which will almost make it heaven in just that aspect!! There will be no stealing, raping, murder, child molesting, frauding, robbery, forgery, shooting, stabbing, assaulting or anything negative!!

Now, how do you get rid of ALL THESE THINGS and still allow people to have FREE WILL?? THAT, is the question!!

The ONLY way to get rid of all these things and still allow people FREE WILL, is to destroy ALL THOSE who would use their free will to do such things!! It's that simple!!! Those what would CHOOSE to do such things with their FREE WILL, will not exist during Heaven!!! Those that give their loyalty and love to God and discipline themselves, will be!! So those that remain, WILL still have their free will!! Because God KNOWS, we will not use that free will for bad!! So THIS, is the sifting process!! We are making FREE WILLED decisions, during this lifetime; which will decide our eternal fate!! If we can choose to NOT harm others during this lifetime, using our FREE WILL; it will be EASY to not harm others during the Heaven dispensation!! Because God will be defacto, with us!!

None of us are perfect, but with forgiveness through Christ who died on the Cross for our Salvation, we are Saved!!

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myfather15 02/08/14 - 08:18 am
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Corgimom

I see your point about Gil Ward being sarcastic; and no, I didn't see that at first.

But about Specsta; when he/she says this:

"Contrast this lifestyle with the environment today, propagated by conservative, so-called "Christian values" - cutting food aid, foreclosing on homes, draconian prison sentences, promoting war as a solution, showing no compassion for the poor and sick, the hatred of strangers and the lack of hospitality to others."

Implying that Christians want to do all these things; I'll call it what it is, LIES!!! YOU, may call it whatever you want madam!! But I've seen with my own two eyes that this is nothing but LIES!!! So I will say it boldly!! It's NOT simply a disagreement when someone says that Christian Conservatives do NOT care about anyone; it's a LIE!!! I'm sure we disagree on many topics, but I wouldn't get adament about it. But when I see someone blatantly LYING about the feelings of a group of people, I'll call them on it!!

You tell me something Corgimom; hows does Specsta know what "conservative, so-called "Christian values" are? Is this not a BROAD Sterotype? How does specsta know that all Christian Conservatives want War? Want to foreclose on homes? Have "Hatred" for strangers? Are not hospitable to others? Have no compassion for the poor or sick? TELL ME, how does specsta KNOW this??

This is nothing but VILE PROPAGANDA!!! Filled with lies to belittle and demean a certain group of people!! There isn't an ounce of truth in their statement!! So, they used some scripture to fit their agenda; is that suppose to impress me? What did Satan himself use to tempt Christ? Scripture!! So excuse me, but I'll call it lies everyday of the week and twice on Sunday!! I could not possibly care less what YOU feel is grossly inappropriate!!

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corgimom 02/08/14 - 08:42 am
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Stop it, myfather, you are

Stop it, myfather, you are getting too carried away with yourself. You do not have the right to tell other posters that they lie. And yes, that IS grossly inappropriate.

Go back and read the Terms of Service.

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carcraft 02/08/14 - 08:54 am
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Corgimom, sometimes when

Corgimom, sometimes when someone slanders (is that OK under the terms of service?), I think they can be called out!

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ymnbde 02/08/14 - 09:12 am
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specsta is rendering unto Caesar what does not belong to Caesar

Complaining about the amount of taxes i pay is a simple marxist trick to redirect worship to the golden idol of government.Christians should not allow the responsibility for good to be given to government. Governments always fail. Governments always fall. History proves absolutely that governments always fail, and in the falling do the greatest harm.
spectsta tells Christians how to act, then in other posts acts himself like the most vile character, slandering and lying and insulting.
His refutation lies within him

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gaflyboy 02/08/14 - 09:24 am
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I've always thought

that's what makes the United States special and why we are so fortunate to live here.

Mr. Ward starts with "Christianity is not practical because it takes away our own individuality, and our ability to make our own decisions and to live our lives in freedom."

In most places, men (governments) take away these things. Here, unless we give it away as many want to do, we are endowed by our "Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Who should lead us? God or corrupt politicians?

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Pond Life 02/08/14 - 09:21 am
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From Specta=== "This means
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From Specta=== "This means caring for the poor, healing the sick, visiting and caring for those in prison, showing mercy to others, seeking peace, caring for strangers, clothing the poor and feeding the hungry."

Yes it does mean that. What it does NOT mean is forcing everyone to do the same with you, or instead of you, as most socialists want it.

And according to the terms of service there is nothing wrong with pointing out very specific things someone has posted and posting counter evidence that proves that it was a lie. If you make a baseless accusation about someone, that is different. Myfather was 100% correct in his post.

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teaparty 02/08/14 - 09:24 am
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"Stop it, myfather, you are
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"Stop it, myfather, you are getting too carried away with yourself. You do not have the right to tell other posters that they lie. And yes, that IS grossly inappropriate."
corgi, it is very appropriate to point out lies no matter who is telling them. A good example was when SC Rep. Joe Wilson told Obama he was lying which was very true.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 02/08/14 - 09:30 am
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What is more
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What is more inappropriate.....telling lies or proving that someone is telling lies?

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deestafford 02/08/14 - 09:45 am
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Originally, I sort of thought Mr. Ward was...

Originally, I sort of thought Mr. Ward was being sarcastic because he was so accurate in what he was saying if one took it from the Christian perspective; however, I wasn't taking any chances.

Mr. Ward, if you were being sarcastic I congratulate you on a job well done.

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soldout 02/08/14 - 09:56 am
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be filled with the spirit

There is a huge difference in just being a Christian and being filled with the Spirit and realizing that 1/3 of you is the Spirit of Christ. Nothing the world offers can touch being led by the Spirit and the power it brings into your life. God will show and teach you things that no man can teach. He will direct your path and put you in the right place at the right time. He will demonstrate the power of giving, healing and knowledge to you. Your faith will go through the roof. You will realize you are made in His imagine and Jesus said you can do greater works than He did. None of us Christians are running at full potential. People will either be greatly attracted to you or very offended by you but that is controlled by how much the devil is running their lives. God has done amazing things in creating your physical body. It has a transmitter, a receiver and a lab all built in to it as some in energy medicine have figured out. The Christians who have figured it out live an exciting life. If you try to be politically correct and believe in evolution and such you will struggle in your Christian life. If you sell out to Christ the excitement never stops. Yes you will have trouble but greater is He who is in you than he that is in the world.

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InChristLove 02/08/14 - 10:11 am
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myfather15, I have no earthly

myfather15, I have no earthly idea where you get some of your ideas but they so closely bordered on truth with a little bit of distortion that unless you truly read what your write and then study scripture, one would assume it is true. A very dangerous aspect.

"Those that give their loyalty and love to God and discipline themselves, will be!! So those that remain, WILL still have their free will!! Because God KNOWS, we will not use that free will for bad!!"

It it not by our own power that we choose to do good, it is the power by Jesus Christ that convicts us to want to do good. We give up our free will when we surrender our lives to Christ and become his child. Do we error, most definitely, but when we stand before the Father and the Judgment Seat, and our names are written in the Book of Life, we will be made perfect (so free will doesn't come into the picture any longer) and no one becomes perfect on their own myfather15. It is by the Grace of a loving, holy, Father, and the cleansing power of the blood of the sacrificial lamb. Thank you Jesus!

You repeat this several times and I'd like for you to quote some scripture where you get this idea from that there was another "dispensation of time". You declare you don't wish to get into a long discussion with fellow believers but I believe if you are going to profess something as truth, you also need to back it up with Holy Scripture because I do not believe what you are stating is biblical.

"There WAS a rebellion against Him of those who refuse to give Him credence!! There was a certain entity who led that rebellion!! Then God destroyed THAT dispensation of time, which was right here on earth; and began a NEW dispensation (flesh age) right here on earth."

According to scripture...the rebellion took place in the heavens not here on earth and Satan did give God credence, he just wanted to be higher in power and authority than God.

Isaiah 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!"

Genesis 1:1: states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. "

A clear distinction is made in scripture between at least two heavens—the physical heavens and the heaven of heavens. The physical heavens include the expanse made on day 2, the place where the stars were placed on day 4, and the atmosphere (birds are referred to as “of the air” and “of the heavens,” e.g., 1 Kings 14:11; Job 12:7; Psalm 104:12). The heaven of heavens is the residing place of the heavenly host, angels, and so on. This is where Satan resided before his fall. The physical heaven and the heaven of heavens is not the same as earth.

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished (Genesis 1:31–2:1).

So myfather15, if God stated everything was good that he had made, including the "host of them", "of the heavens", this would mean at that time Satan was still a heavenly cherub. His fall had to occur sometime (scripture does not state) between God declaring all good (cause if Satan had fallen and become evil He sure wouldn't have stated it good) and the fall of man in the Garden of Eden. There hasn't been a new "dispensation of time".

Now with all that said, you are free to choose to believe as you like, and others are free to believe or not believe as they like, but it is my responsibility as a child of God, to lay out what scripture says and everyone can choose to believe what they will. After all it is free will.

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Bizkit 02/08/14 - 10:15 am
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Spec where have you been

Spec where have you been "This means caring for the poor, healing the sick, visiting and caring for those in prison, showing mercy to others, seeking peace, caring for strangers, clothing the poor and feeding the hungry." Christians have been doing that for over 2000 years and still today-you need to get out more. Course not all Christians act that way, but that is because they still believe it is all about them. It ain't because there is only one "Great I am", and none of us are it. I am not a caring or altruistic person by nature (just the opposite I'm mean, uncaring, loved to humiliate, loved to beat anyone physically or mentally, and it was all about glorious me)but now I do all those good things now because of Christ. I don't pretend I'm not still "me" and I hope that BMF "me" dies but through Christ I have found freedom from not being "me". "me" was a disaster. But that is my personal experience-hey I tried Buddhism too.
Psychologist find Christianity and many religions very mentally healthy-fact most psych programs now teach religion courses.

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Bizkit 02/08/14 - 10:42 am
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Christ was all about

Christ was all about "personal" responsibility-not communal. No mention of it being the governments responsibility. Christ often prefaced saying something with "I tell you the truth". He said there will always be poverty-all recorded history attest to that being a true statement. So if that statement is obvious and true-perhaps more heed should be paid to his other statements. Spec you left out the parts of the bible that tell people not to be lazy and work.

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effete elitist liberal 02/08/14 - 10:41 am
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UnAmerican

Thank you, Mr. Ward, for demonstrating how Christianity is fundamentally UnAmerican. "Christianity...takes away our own individuality, and our ability to make our own decisions and to live our lives in freedom." If the United States stands for anything, it stands for individualism, personal responsibility and decision-making, and freedom. Christianity, as Mr. Ward describes it is, in its anti-individualism, a form of collectivism not unlike communism. I doubt Ward intended to be ironic, but the irony is unavoidable.

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Jon Lester 02/08/14 - 10:42 am
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I don't go to church, either, but

I think you haven't thought about it enough. People do have a desire to submit to a higher authority, and of course they want it to be a loving one. People also go to their local churches as a matter of course, because it's a hub of their community. Yes, some people do handle it badly, thinking they have to abandon their own personalities and become both authoritarian and religious, just because they've become parents, and yes, some Christians have very obvious issues that are clearly not helped by amplified fear and guilt, but your average church-goer really isn't like that, and they may well sense the phoniness of those mega-churches you see on TV, too.

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Bizkit 02/08/14 - 10:49 am
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There is no "collectivism"

There is no "collectivism" nor a loss of making individual decisions-free will. There is communal worship of individuals, but that is no different than participants of any group. There is no communal salvation, and it isn't anti-indvidual-just the opposite. Christ is clear about personal responsibility, personal acts of free will, personal choices, and personal stories. He tells individuals what they should do, not govts or communities.

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Bizkit 02/08/14 - 10:55 am
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Oh I get it Christianity is

Oh I get it Christianity is like the "village" concept of communal and anti-individualism.

carcraft
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carcraft 02/08/14 - 10:57 am
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I think God, who made me,

I think God, who made me, understands what I need, and like a wise parent provides all of my needs and some of my sangs.

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