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I cannot let Walter Williams’ Jan. 9 column (“Politics and minimum wage”) stand without rebuttal.

Mr. Williams has outdated and incorrect information. Raising the wage will reduce poverty. A Center for American Progress analysis of states that have increased the minimum wage have reportedly “had job growth slightly higher above the national average.” Raising the minimum wage does not hurt small business; two-thirds of low-wage workers work for big corporations that incidentally earn huge profits and can afford to pay their workers a decent wage.

Increasing the minimum wage would significantly benefit 28 million low-income workers – especially women, who comprise 54.5 percent of the work force. Ninety percent of low-wage workers are 20 and older; 35.8 percent are married; and 28 percent are parents. Many are underemployed and some have college degrees.

Top executive pay at the top 50 low-wage employers averaged $9.4 million in 2011. The CEO’s salary of Wal-Mart per-hour was estimated in 2010 at $16,826; workers earned $8.75 an hour.

To belittle a person as only being worth $5 an hour because they do not have “skills” is a gross mistake. All jobs require skills.

Sandra Parson

Augusta

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carcraft
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carcraft 01/19/14 - 12:47 am
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Work skills fall under the

Work skills fall under the law of supply and demand. That is why a welder that is competent at high level welding will earn more than a clerk stocking shelves at wal mart! Why a brain surgeon earns more than a car machanic .

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deestafford 01/19/14 - 02:08 am
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People are paid what they bring to the organization in value..

People are paid what they bring to the organization in value not what someone "thinks" the person is worth. A company is in business to make a profit for its shareholders/owners and not act as some type of social engineering organization.

One thing the proponents of raising the minimum wage do not understand is the ripple effect; therefore, let me explain it. If I own a company and employ some workers at $7.50 and hour, some at $10 an hour, some at $12 an hour and some at $14 an hour and I raise the $7.50 to $10 what is going to happen to the wage differential with each of the others. In order to pay according to the skill/wage gap I now have to raise everyone's pay by $2.50 to maintain that gap otherwise I loose the workers beyond he minimum wage.

The minimum wage is an entry level wage. It is not designed for people to be at that level forever. If a person increases their value to the company through training and experience ( not one year's experience ten times and then saying they have ten year's experience.) they will increase their hourly earnings. Also, it would not hurt the proponents to understand what a profit margin is and how it differs from profit.

The minimum wage is not designed for someone to have a family. If someone has a family and making the minimum wage it's their fault because of the poor life choices THEY have made and does not deserve to be subsidized by some company.

I don't believe the left and proponents of the minimum wage increase understand the law of supply and demand.

If you want to pay somebody more than they are of value to the organization, go out and start a business and overpay workers because you "feel" like it.

I don't think there should be a minimum wage because it is racist. It hurts the blacks more than any group...especially the young blacks because they are most likely to be untrained and less educated. The unskilled are the ones hurt the most and their unemployment levels increase.

I wish the letter writer would go to YouTube and watch Milton Friedman debate Phil Donahue, watch Dr Thomas Sowell, and yes Dr Walter E. Williams and get an education from three of the most learned economists the United States has ever produced and listen to their common sense explanations...not some "feel good" social engineering people. Please do that and if you still have your same opinions please come back and refute what you saw.

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deestafford 01/19/14 - 02:20 am
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Another thing the left does not understand...

Another thing the left does not understand is the negative impact differential the CEO has versus that of the person sweeping the floor. If a CEO makes the wrong decision it could cost the organization millions of dollars or even bankrupt the company. If the man sweeping the floor makes a mistake it cost nothing other some additional cleaning. There are many people who can sweep a floor but the talent pool for CEOs is pretty shallow.

The same can be said for professional athletes versus teachers. Thousands of people can be come teachers and do an outstanding and valuable job of teaching our children; however, how many people have the skills of a Peyton Manning or Tiger Woods? Very, very few. Millions of people pay money to see them display their skills and purchase merchandise they endorse. They are more valuable money-wise to the organization because of their scarcity than the tens of thousands of teach... many of which who should not be teaching.

The bottom line is what value does the person truly bring to the table. For the most part people are paid what they are worth. Value is determined by scarcity and utility not by feelings and sympathy.

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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 03:03 am
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So, you would rather
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So, you would rather subsidize billion dollar corporations by paying for welfare and food stamps for the employees they pay minimum wages to.
This is hubris, plain and simple. The idea of corporations making huge profits on the backs of workers being paid below poverty levels hearkens back to the days of sweat shops and child labor. THAT is the hallmark of Republican ideals, for the wealthy to get richer while the poor do the work for a pittance. These corporations are getting richer while taxpayers subsidize them, and Republicans back this. The rich are getting richer while you aren't, and they're laughing at you...all the way to the bank. BRILLIANT!

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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 03:19 am
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Here's an interesting article
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Here's an interesting article I found, in Forbes magazine about the economy under the the two parties. Not surprisingly, the economy grew under Democrats, and often shrank under Republicans. BRILLIANT!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/10/10/want-a-better-economy...

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Little Lamb 01/19/14 - 06:33 am
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Advice

Here's a little advice for letter writer Sandra Parson: you can find a "study" that comes to any conclusion you desire, even direct opposite. You can't use these bogus studies to draw any valid conclusion.

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burninater 01/19/14 - 07:01 am
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"Another thing the left does

"Another thing the left does not understand is the negative impact differential the CEO has versus that of the person sweeping the floor. If a CEO makes the wrong decision it could cost the organization millions of dollars or even bankrupt the company."
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dee, you must have slept through 2008-2009. Numerous CEO's DID make those types of wrong decisions, and were removed from their positions -- with enormous severance packages. This demonstrates two key false assertions about the level of CEO pay: 1) paying CEOs exorbitant rates does NOT guarantee performance, and 2) severance for failure clearly shows there is NOT a market-driven connection between performance and compensation. CEOs were paid for FAILURE more than many employees make in a LIFETIME of competent work. How can people continue to maintain that market mechanisms produce these outcomes? It is an entirely absurd assertion.

As to minimum wage, what you feel SHOULD occur -- that minimum wage employees should be at that level for limited time and should have no familial or personal economic obligations -- doesn't match what DOES occur. Why should we craft policy for what we idealize, rather than what actually is? How is that a sensible course? And given that some employers rely on full-time minimum wage employees while making substantial profit, why should we taxpayers subsidize that? Why SHOULDN'T the employer be responsible for paying its employees enough for them to have the food and housing necessary to remain productive employees?

As an example -- McDonald's only recently, after it was publicized, removed links from their human resources site for their employees to apply for public assistance benefits -- food stamps, Medicare, etc. How sick is that? Why would people champion an aspect of an economy that rewards blatant exploitation of tax money to subsidize an underpaid PRIVATE work force?

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burninater 01/19/14 - 06:59 am
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"Here's a little advice..."

"Here's a little advice... you can find a "study" that comes to any conclusion you desire, even direct opposite. You can't use these bogus studies to draw any valid conclusion."
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And you can't simply dismiss a study out of hand without examining its assertions, data, methodology, and findings. Have you done this for the data and conclusions of Mr. Williams? Have you done this for the study cited by Ms. Parson? Or are you just presenting an unfounded assertion as if it were based in some actual evidence, methodology, or economic model? What is your basis for calling this study "bogus"? Do you even have any basis for that statement? Please, substantiate your statement -- this type of "advice" is essentially worthless if it doesn't come from a rational examination of the data and methods actually being presented.

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carcraft 01/19/14 - 08:23 am
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Uh, Burninator she didn't

Uh, Burninator she didn't call the study bogus, she said you can use bogus studies. There is a differance.

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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 08:36 am
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Carcraft, she INFERRED that
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Carcraft, she INFERRED that the study was bogus. burninator, this is a common tactic among the conservative posters here, to deny out of hand with no basis any study, data or facts that oppose their narrow, uninformed notions of the economy. There are MANY, MANY studies that PROVE the economy has almost ALWAYS done better under Democrats, and I doubt, seriously that they can find hard data to disprove the fact. I'm glad to see another poster to stand against those who would take this country back to the time of slave labor and sweatshops.

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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 08:42 am
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I love the little thumbs up
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I love the little thumbs up thingies...they're SOOOOOO stupid.

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KSL 01/19/14 - 08:47 am
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I just gave you a thumbs down

I just gave you a thumbs down for that comment.

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KSL 01/19/14 - 09:03 am
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Ga cop, you are a female,

Ga cop, you are a female, aren't you? Sometimes it is so hard to tell.

I guess I just have not paid that close attention to your posts.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 09:03 am
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"I just gave you a thumbs
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"I just gave you a thumbs down for that comment." Lol..I like your sense of humor.
"Ga cop, you are a female, aren't you? Sometimes it is so hard to tell."
I just gave YOU a thumbs down for THAT comment.....not....they're too stupid and pointless for that.

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seenitB4 01/19/14 - 09:06 am
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Going against the grain

We need to raise the min wage...I know my Rep friends won't agree but I see it like this...
We pay food stamps/bennies of all kinds to the low wage earners.....why not raise the wage to $10 bucks a hour.

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KSL 01/19/14 - 10:52 am
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Cop, when I was growing up,

Cop, when I was growing up, going to school, and later to college, people had differing opinions about everything, including politics. But they were not labeled with the vitriol that you seem to have toward conservatives. That is a fenale trait. I am thinking you are a female.

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ymnbde 01/19/14 - 09:20 am
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machines are ready to take over the world!

the minimum wage world, that is
a machine has been designed for almost every minimum wage task
and the cost of minimum wage labor is very close to making those
machines profitable
the unemployment rate for young black males is already higher than for every other group and the minimum wage increase will cause the unemployment rate for young black males to rise even more
the "wage gap" is caused by the education gap
which is caused by government
the "center for american progress" is just another marxist copy/paste site
racist to its very core
using what Lenin termed "useful idiots" to spread its doctrine
when the demos hate educating young black males
less than they love government bureaucracy
young black males will be educated
and their "wage gap" will decrease
quite simple, really... just let them use their money
to choose their school
just like rich white people
are the democrats afraid that if black kids learn to read and write and do arithmetic that they will realize the democratic party has been running one of the biggest scams in history at their expense?
when will the demos let them drink from the same educational fountains as white people?
when will the demos let them ride the same educational buses as white people?
when they hate educating the young black male
less than they love increasing the government bureaucracy, that's when
and that change, it ain't no time a comin
"Then I go to my [government]
And I say brother [educate] me please
But he winds up knockin' me
Back down on my knees
yep, the demos... the most successful racists in history

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KSL 01/19/14 - 10:54 am
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Seenit

How many high school students are having to buy their own food? If more than one, there needs to be a severe looking into our taxpayer paid programs.

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InChristLove 01/19/14 - 09:26 am
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•Corporate profits have grown

•Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)

Just a tid bit from the article GAC posted. Isn't this the same thing you have been complaining about....Corporate profit? So now you think it's a good thing that under Dem presidents corporate profit has been higher?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 01/19/14 - 09:49 am
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@ SeenIt

Why not raise the minimum wage to $100 per hour?

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seenitB4 01/19/14 - 10:02 am
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I knew i would catch it from yall

Don't care ...pile it on my friends..

When we go out to dinner most of the time we pay $10 or so in tips....I pay my nail lady that much in tips.....my hairdo lady.....& most of the cleaning ladies get $20 a hour now....soooo, I don't see $10 bucks as breaking the bank......loosen up some on here...most of yall are well off anyway....sometimes it feels good to go against the grain...try it. :)
They work hard for the money....help them.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 10:05 am
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"How many high school
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"How many high school students are having to buy their own food?" Go check the median age of minimum wage workers...they're no longer teens living with mamma and daddy, they're people trying to eek out a living, because corporations cut jobs to maximize profits, and cut wages and hours to do the same. YOU are subsidizing McDonalds, Walmart and other VERY profitable corporations. Under Democrats, not only did corporations earn more, you should find wages kept up better also. ICL, thanks for helping to prove my point. And now, ymnbde chimes in with more nothing in a loooong post....

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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 10:07 am
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No, KSL, i'm a 56 year old
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No, KSL, i'm a 56 year old MAN. It just happens that it's really fun to prove you guys wrong, and I happen to strongly oppose the idiocy of the Tea Party and they sycophants. I care about PEOPLE, ya'll only care about money. Not one of you could possible understand that.

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GACopprhed 01/19/14 - 10:08 am
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No, KSL, I'm a 56 year old
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No, KSL, I'm a 56 year old MAN. It just happens that it's really fun to prove you guys wrong, and I happen to strongly oppose the idiocy of the Tea Party and their sycophants. I care about PEOPLE, ya'll only care about money. Not one of you could possible understand that.

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seenitB4 01/19/14 - 10:22 am
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gacopper

You coulda fooled me...you don't look a day over 45..:)

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teaparty 01/19/14 - 10:35 am
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"I care about PEOPLE, ya'll
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"I care about PEOPLE, ya'll only care about money."
GAP, this is where liberals always GET IT WRONG. CONSERVATIVES CARE JUST AS MUCH ABOUT PEOPLE AS LIBERLAS. The difference is conservative believe in individual responsibility. We are not helping by continuing to give able bodied people handouts. It creates generation after generation of deadbeats. The Great Society was created because liberals cared about people and it has destroyed the majority of black families and many white families. Most liberals have great intentions but the results are usually failure.

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justthefacts 01/19/14 - 10:36 am
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"I care about people"

Ain't you special. Something about "I will know you by your works" not by your tiresome rants about how great you are.

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nocnoc 01/19/14 - 10:48 am
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TRUTH - Raising the wage will not reduce poverty,

it just changes what $ number is to define poverty.

There is usually a only brief window (1-3 months) between the Wage increase and the Poverty standard being adjusted up.

Face it:
Minimum wage (MW) is usually entry level positions. So if a boss pays no more than MW for workers, then it is usually a go nowhere job and not a career.

Facts:
Education, experience, specialized vocation, tech training and other career fields are what make a living wage.

Raise the minimum wage, and the very burgers, that many of these workers make, will go up to meet the cost of producing them. It is simple business logic and math.

Want to put $$$$ in the pockets of Minimum wage earners? Stop all withholding taxes for minimum wage earners.
Tax exempt them if they make at or below poverty wages. That will put real $$$$ in their pockets, not some Politically based election move MW raise that will be quickly negated by Business production cost adjustments in the items they must purchase.

But Then
Enact a MW Tax Cheater Law requiring 2 to 5 years Community Labor (cleanup and shovel ready jobs) not jail time (why pay twice).

BTW:
If the US Federal Gov. Included all Gov. provided poverty level
assistance, then many classified as Poverty would become Upper Lower Economic Class to Lower-Middle class for income earners.

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Little Lamb 01/19/14 - 10:59 am
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Logic

If raising the minimum wage a little creates such societal benefits, then surely raising the minimum wage a lot should really help society. Why not raise the minimum wage to $1,000 an hour. Then we would all become rich. Anything wrong with that?

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dade30906 01/19/14 - 11:00 am
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At just $7.25 an hour, Georgia's minimum wage leaves a family of

three stuck below the poverty line. And that's why so many working people qualify for food stamps. If Georgia legislators raise the minimum wage, then you will have less families depending on food stamps. Georgia workers earning minimum wage can't even afford to pay for an average two - bedroom apartment by working a standard 40 - hour work week. Boosting Georgia's minimum wage to $ 10.10 per hour would give a much - needed pay raise to an estimated million workers in the state of Georgia. In 21 states that have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, workers making the minimum wage in Georgia have earned just $ 7.25 per hour since 2009, despite inflation. In 2013, we saw national momentum build for raising the minimum wage. President Obama declared his intention to raise the minimum wage and two members of Congress introduced the Fair Minimim Wage Act of 2013, which would have raised the federal minimum from $7.25 to $10.10 but House Republicans in Congress blocked and sided with big business. Write your Republican legislators in Congress and tell them you will vote for Democrat if they don't do what's right for their constituents and raise the federal minimum wage to a fair level. And on the state level write Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal and let him know he already out the door for not expanding Medicaid, an tell him it's time to raise Georgia' minimum wages. Georgians address the governor at 203 State Capitol
Atlanta, Georgia 30334

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