Carol policy is 'chilling'

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It was very satisfying to read The Augusta Chronicle’s editorial comments concerning the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center’s refusal to allow a group of young people to sing religious Christmas carols to the patients (“Policy hits a sour note,” Dec. 27). The decision to tell these young people they could sing songs only from a government-approved list is a chilling, Orwellian scenario!

I seriously doubt any of the patients would have objected to listening to a group of young people sing Christmas carols. If any did object, they could simply stay in their rooms and close their doors until the musical program was finished.

The person or people who made this cruel, hateful decision should never be allowed to serve in a position of authority in an institution that serves the physical, mental and emotional needs of our veterans.

Sandra Herrick

Aiken, S.C.

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paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 02:09 am
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The person that wrote this letter....

should probably not speak on who is best to serve in a position of authority of veteran health based on a skewed misinterpretation of what actually happened...especially while saying that HOSPITALIZED veterans should "simply stay in their rooms and close their doors until the musical program was finished." Seriously? If you are hospitalized in the VA, it's probably for a reason that would require a nurse or SOMEONE to be able to poke their head in on you. Also, pretty sure that they fought for their right to NOT have to hear that, just like some for their right to hear it. The choir. could have. used. the. chapel. (All of those periods are in their intended places) OR, they could have asked for permission to go to the rooms in order to ASK if the individual veterans would like to hear them.

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corgimom 01/06/14 - 06:18 am
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When people are in a

When people are in a hospital, they are very ill. That's where they are temporarily living, and that is their home for the time being. No one should be forced to "go in their room and shut the door" because somebody decided that they should invade their space and sing Christmas carols to them. Those patients are there to be cared for during their illness, and to arbitrarily assume that they would enjoy Christmas carols is just plain wrong.
Not everybody appreciates visitors when they are ill, and their privacy should be respected. After all, the purpose of the VA hospital is to take care of sick people, not to provide a forum for entertainment.

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robert2410 01/06/14 - 07:15 am
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Good letter Sandra, liberals
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Good letter Sandra, liberals pretty much hate Christians, God, and freedom so we should expect more of this moving forward. At least until enough of us finally decide enough is enough and take our country back from these ankle biting idiots. Lord knows I am ready now.

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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 07:26 am
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Corgi....you can NOT limit
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Corgi....you can NOT limit the free exercise of someone's religion either. Unfortunately, with the guarantee of free exercise comes the danger that you might have to actually see or hear someone observing their religion.....something that you guaranteed against in the Constitution. And if the patient or their family asks them to leave, do you honestly think they would continue singing?

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ymnbde 01/06/14 - 07:34 am
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anyone who is harmed just by hearing a song

has far greater problems
there was once a distinct class of people called "adults"
humans would, upon leaving childhood, become "adults"
"adults" were not harmed simply by hearing a song
this isn't about the patients, anyway
this is about government control...
the patients are simply used as a shield
it differs from terrorists surrounding themselves with children
only by degree

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 07:56 am
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Angela....

...You can when it is on Federal Government property. There is a reason behind this. The Federal Government cannot give to one religion without giving to all. That means Christians, Muslims, Jews, Satanists, Pagans, Wiccans, Heathen, etc. ALL have to be included.

I submit this query to you: if the situation were a bit different, say the choir wasn't a Christian one, would YOU, personally, want to hear songs that were about reindeer and snowmen or shopping, drinking, etc. while you were in the hospital trying to recuperate? If so, then kudos to you.

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 08:06 am
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One of the problems is to
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One of the problems is to many conservatives Christmas is the most important holiday of the year. If liberals could choose their favorite it would be 9/11, many of them were pleased with what happened that day and believe we deserved it.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 08:24 am
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"...You can when it is on
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"...You can when it is on Federal Government property. "

Show us that in the Constitution. Your Constitution seems to say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof except on federal property; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

By your logic we would have to tear down the SCOTUS building.
http://www.christianindex.org/1087.article

"That means Christians, Muslims, Jews, Satanists, Pagans, Wiccans, Heathen, etc. ALL have to be included."

This is NOT what this means. It doesn't mean that they all have to be included...it means that none may be excluded...there is a huge difference. If other religions wish to sing, they should be allowed as well.

Freedom OF religion does not mean freedom FROM religion.

As for your querry....As I pointed out...if you don't want to hear them, ask them to leave. How many patients asked the singers to leave and were denied?

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 08:25 am
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A worthwhile read here, I
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A worthwhile read here, I though I would pass it along. It explains much about liberals attitude toward decent Christian Americans:

There is a growing hate for Christianity in America. Liberals have taken over our government and they look at Christianity as a bunch of nut cases who get in the way of their beliefs. Christianity is slowing down the prosperity of the United States of America. This is what the Liberal government believes.
Liberals hate Christianity because Christians are patriotic. Many people like the freedoms they enjoy in this country. It is a pleasure to be able to have the freedom to serve the one true God. It is nice to walk down the streets and not have to face persecutions because of our faith in our God. Liberals do not like the freedom Christians have in this country. They think Christianity is evil because our religious belief get in their way. You will see many Liberals confess they are Christian and than vote for things which are completely non-Christian. Things like abortion and gay marriage. Things our religion is completely against. The Christian person will stand up and fight (non violently) against the evil in our country.

Liberals hate Christianity because Christians teach there is only one true God. There is only one God who has ever risen from the dead. We teach Jesus is the only perfect man and he resurrected from the dead. Liberals don't like the thought of one God who rules over everybody. This is the job of the Liberal. They believe the government is the only authority the people need to listen to. The Liberal pushes every other religion up on a pedestal. They laugh at Christianity. They fight against Christianity. The Liberals persecute Christians through the courts. They Liberals let us know saying Merry Christmas is politically incorrect. The Liberals try to make Christianity look bad because they are afraid of the one true God. He scares them. The Liberals are afraid of Christianity because they know our religion will hurt their plans.

Liberals hate Christianity because we believe in one man and one woman as the only true type of marriage. We believe in doing what is right. We do not believe in gay marriage or abortion. We know it is wrong to kill babies. Murder is wrong and we fight against abortion. The Liberals teach freedom to choose. But this freedom is allowed only if the government has decided it is all right. Not if God says it is right or wrong. The Liberals hate Christianity because it takes away their authority. Everything we teach is the opposite of what the Liberal wants our country to become.

The Liberals hate Christianity because we teach what is right and what is wrong. The Christian is not perfect, but we believe we are forgiven when we sin against our God. We try to live our lives as best we can. We listen to what the government tells us to do unless their teachings are against what God tell us to do. We teach creationism because we believe God created the heavens and the earth. We have private schools and churches where we teach what is right and wrong. The Liberal government wants the Christian to follow their rules. They want us to accept gay marriage, abortion, and complete government control over the people. We know these things are not right, so we teach against them.

The Liberals hate Christianity most importantly because we vote against them and their people. The Liberals teach ideas that are completely against what the Christian believes. We vote against them and this makes the Liberals angry. How can they completely take over our government if there are people who won't let them get away with the wrong they do to our people. The Christian and the Liberal are like oil and water. The two of them don't mix very well. The Liberals hate Christianity because we teach what is right and fight against what is wrong. Even if it is just another vote against them in the coming elections in November.

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myfather15 01/06/14 - 08:29 am
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Corgimom

"No one should be forced to "go in their room and shut the door" because somebody decided that they should invade their space and sing Christmas carols to them."

It's called tolerance!! As a veteran myself, If I were in that hospital and a religious group, not of my own came in and wanted to sing for a couple hours, I would NOT object. Even If I didn't personally want to hear their songs, I would do everything I could to accommodate them, even if it meant going in or staying in my room for a couple hours!! Where is the tolerance??? I would do that, FOR those other people!! Because I also care about THEM!! It isn't always about ME!!

For petes sake, they weren't going to be in there ALL DAY!! Now, if it continued on for 8-10 hours, I might have a problem with it. But for me to have to HEAR their songs, for a couple hours? Oooooh, the humanity!! That's just torture!! Really?

myfather15
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myfather15 01/06/14 - 08:33 am
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Remember the Constitution?

We have Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion!! Meaning, you have no reasonable expectation to NEVER hear another person's religous beliefs. Tolerance, goes a long way people!!

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nocnoc 01/06/14 - 08:39 am
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Can't I get some facts?

I think something is amiss here, having come in contact members of this 1970's established community. My Business Law teacher, My local Lawyer at one time, and many of the dedicated Christians members.
Going to the press and making a big stink does not come across as the people I had been around back in the 1970-80's

What as the facts here, without the roderic?

Was Alleluia(sp) choir offered to sing in the chapel and refused for a given reason?

Did the VA ban them from singing anywhere on VA property?

Who 1st brought this to the attention of the Media?

So Could the AC boil this down into one of those great little Blue colored boxes with a definitive Time Line of such facts.

Because right now, I am wondering if the media, has spoon fed us to incite passions and promote viewer/reader audiences?

myfather15
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myfather15 01/06/14 - 08:51 am
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robert2410

That's a pretty accurate article, but I would go one step farther. The author says they FEAR God, but I would say the far leftist and atheists, don't fear God, they HATE HIM!!

Now, I've heard atheists say "How do we hate something we don't even believe in."

Well, first of all; from conversations with many atheists, many don't completely disbelieve. There is an old saying in the military "There is no such thing as an atheist in a fox hole." This saying rings true. When people are in deep trouble, faith in something higher, usually comes to the surface!!

Second, even if they actually don't believe in a higher power; it's the aspect of GOD, they hate!! Like the article says, they believe this "God" get in their way. They believe THEMSELVES to be the highest power and ANYTHING they want to do, it perfectly acceptable to them. THAT, is a scary thought. This "God" being, does nothing but restrict them, and they hate that. THAT, is why they fight so hard to removed God from everything.

I've said before and will say again; If Christ decended from the heavens at this very moment and instituted His Kingdom and rules, they will hate Him to His face!! Because they simply HATE His rules and regulations, therefore they hate Him!!! Why do I believe this? Because the Bible also tells this (Revelations 20)!! Even after Christ has reigned a 1000 years on earth, teaching people; the ones that will choose the other side are numbered as the sands of the sea!! That my friends, is a lot of people.

Sadly, this is also why they must be destroyed. Because they will NEVER accept His way, even with Him here de facto!! This is a sifting process, to eliminate the ones who simply refuse to ever accept the One Creator!! Sadly, they will be done in by their own FREE WILL!!

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 09:09 am
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I agree myfather, we have a
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I agree myfather, we have a few who post in here that prove your comments to be true. The best I can tell liberals have lost all sense of shame, there is nothing they will not denigrate to achieve their goals.
Sad indeed

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Bizkit 01/06/14 - 09:34 am
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Statistically speaking the

Statistically speaking the majority of patients in the VA would be "christian" but this is a Republic so minority views have a voice too-but it shouldn't prevent the majority from enjoying their freedom too. I find some irony for pleas for christians to show tolerance for gay marriage, etc yet there is no reciprocal call for respect and tolerance of christian ideals. The Duck man's recent opine really hits this on the head. You may not agree with his beliefs but he shouldn't be punished for them. Trying to make something of his comments to marry young really demonstrate just how ridiculous this animosity really is. I would suggest a health care voucher for medical costs for employees who aren't christian and want birth control from a christian employer. That way the christian employer is not directly supporting something they find offensive and the non-christian can enjoy their freedom too.

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 09:44 am
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I have heard it suggested
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I have heard it suggested that liberals are allied with Islam because they have a common enemy, the conservative Christian. It would explain a lot of what is going on in recent years. Do we have an enemy within our gates perhaps?

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InChristLove 01/06/14 - 12:43 pm
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(corgimom) "because somebody

(corgimom) "because somebody decided that they should invade their space and sing Christmas carols to them."

Excuse me, it's not THEIR space that was being used to sing Christmas carols. It was EVERYONE'S space and why are those who wanted to hear the songs denied, while those who were assumed against it, granted their right not to hear. What about those who's rights were denied to hear?

I'm sure an announcement was made that this Christian school young group were going to sing Christmas carols and I'm sure if those who choose not to listen could go back to their room and not hear it "in their own personal space".

InChristLove
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InChristLove 01/06/14 - 01:08 pm
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Oh but you will say "they

Oh but you will say "they could have sang in the chapel".

Well if anyone has ever been in a hospital chapel before they are very small and limited space. Never before in years passed has singing in the common area been an issue and because the school is a Christian school (which the hospital knew) and the school staff took a stand for Christ (since Christmas for us Christians is about the birth of Christ) they choose not to sing instead of taking Christ out of Christmas.

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 04:17 pm
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Liberals believe that passing
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Liberals believe that passing religious values to children is a form of child abuse.

Red Headed Step Child
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Red Headed Step Child 01/06/14 - 05:48 pm
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Disturbing patients

Huh. As a hospital patient I'd rather hear any kind of carol sung joyously during the daylight hours down the halls for what most likley would have been no more than an hour than noisy hospital staff members clomping around and speaking in their "outside" voices down the halls at night when the patients are trying to sleep...

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bob0142 01/06/14 - 09:59 pm
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http://www.freerepublic.com/f
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3014125/posts

Here is a good article explaining why liberals are so contradictory about their acceptance of all religions, especially Islam, except Christianity

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