Caving is a bad precedent

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The current Republican talking point is that President Obama refuses to negotiate, or that he is unwilling to meet with Republican leaders and “have a conversation.” So the perception is that the current deadlock in Congress is the product of stubbornness on both sides.

First of all, negotiations usually involve a quid pro quo – a deal in which two parties agree to make mutually beneficial policy concessions, but that is not the case here. Republicans are issuing demands simply for agreeing to fund the government, or for merely authorizing the government to pay the bills it’s accrued. These are matters that Congress usually addresses as a matter of course; they are not special favors that serve the Democrats’ agenda. In fact, Democrats only want to fund the federal government at sequester levels, which under ordinary circumstances should please conservatives.

So we are at an impasse in Congress because a minority of House Republicans are demanding concessions from Democrats in exchange for voting on something that has always been done on a bipartisan basis and without debate.

Second, Republicans are using the debt limit controversy to point out that our annual deficits are out of control and should be reduced. That’s fine – but the time for a budget debate is when a spending bill is up before Congress, not when 800,000 federal workers are furloughed and the full faith and credit of the United States is at stake.

I understand that Republicans are in a difficult position. They entered into this ordeal by seeking to defund or delay the Affordable Care Act. Now that this goal is beyond reach, they need something – anything – to walk away from this with some semblance of a victory. But were President Obama and Democrats to cave on this issue, it would set a dangerous precedent by which the minority party always will have the option to use the debt limit to demand something from the other party. This is not how our government should work.

Daniel Barden

Martinez

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deestafford
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deestafford 10/13/13 - 11:43 pm
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Using the letter writer's logic the House should just send a

rubber stamp to the senate and one to the president saying, "Since we are the minority party we give you everything you want"?

The Constitution puts the power of the purse in the hands of the House which is now under the control of the Republican party. The Senate should take what the House sends it and run it through the appropriate committees and then have it go to the Senate floor for a vote. Then the two chambers go to conference and fight it out and then send the result to the President to either sign or veto. There's a little document called the Constitution that directs that.

The problem is Harry Reid, at the direction of the President, is not even letting the bills go through the regular process.

Obama is a small, small, vindictive man who thinks and acts like he is a third world potentate rather than the executive of the oldest Republic on the face of the earth. We cannot allow him as the chief executive to dictate to the Congress...not even to one third of the government. We have a Constitutional process and daggumit let's follow it.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/14/13 - 03:46 am
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So we let the minority in the
Unpublished

So we let the minority in the Congress dictate? That same Constitution doesn't give absolute power, and the President and the Senate are using the very powers given to them by the Constitution to stop that "sour grapes" MINORITY's extremist agenda

Dixieman
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Dixieman 10/14/13 - 06:42 am
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Don't cave

History has shown the Republicans were within THREE HOURS of victory during Clinton administration shutdown when they caved just before Bill was about to. Hang in there!! We can all live without the Federal gov for a long time...and victory now will be great for our country's future!!

localguy55
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localguy55 10/14/13 - 06:54 am
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FYI Daniel, the democraps

FYI Daniel,
the democraps want to go back to PRE-sequester levels now that they feel the polls are on their side. Both sides were close to a deal when the democarps and Obama read a poll and they decided to walk away from the talks. The WH and the democraps are disgusting dishonest people. These are the destroyers of freedom and goodwill.

I hope you people that decided to stay home last presidential election get a big dose of the crap being dish out by this digusting president and his thugg democrap leaders. And we have three more years of this Obamanation. Get ready to feel more pain by these Marxist.

myfather15
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myfather15 10/14/13 - 07:15 am
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GACopprhed

"MINORITY's" Why bring empasis to them being the minority? So the minority shouldn't have ANY say so?

I'll remember that next time there is a debate about removing the Ten commandments from a public building; when the VAST majority are in support of them staying, but the left is screaming we can't offend the very few, or even the one person who complains!!

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/14/13 - 07:24 am
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Falsehood

Daniel Barden wrote:

. . . a minority of House Republicans are demanding concessions from Democrats in exchange for voting on something that has always been done on a bipartisan basis and without debate.

That statement is absolutely false. Budget continuing resolutions have been the subject of many, many contentious debates throughout the decades. Likewise, the Congress has many, many times fought over raising the debt ceiling. Barden treats his readers like dummies by telling them falsehoods.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/14/13 - 07:27 am
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Falsehood

Another one from Daniel Barden:

In fact, Democrats only want to fund the federal government at sequester levels, which under ordinary circumstances should please conservatives.

I heard on NPR today that the Democrats are fighting to remove the sequester cuts in their offer to Republicans. So much for Mr. Barden's "fact."

nocnoc
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nocnoc 10/14/13 - 08:07 am
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Here is how negotiation works.

Have something they want and need and be willing to give a little to get a little.

ALL parties must being willing discuss what they are willing to do to make the deal happen.

Right now 1 side is willing and 1 side is not.

President Obama has refused to discuss what he is willing to do , despite several alternative proposals made by the House to him. Each trying to meet and find a middle ground.

President Obama middle ground seems to be:

"MY WAY OR NO WAY."

This is not negotiation, it is like a child demanding more candy at the checkout counter and pitching a temper tantrum until he or she gets their way.

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Bizkit 10/14/13 - 08:13 am
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Great responses Dee and

Great responses Dee and Little Lamb. I think you've covered it! The letter is just factually incorrect. The Rep run the house and they want their way just like when the Dems had both houses and had their way to create the ACA. It's the way govt is suppose to work-to and fro. The President is disingenuous again (he's a liar) as about every word out of his mouth anymore. I think he has more Pinnochio awards than any other president-like remember the part about transparency which now it is documented he is the least transparent. You just can't put any credence into anything he says-the unions found that out when they finally read the law that had to passed before it could be read-boy they were yelling repeal, repeal, repeal.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/14/13 - 08:14 am
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If we were to eliminate

If we were to eliminate minority views from politics then the Progressive movement would be the first to go before the tea party.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/14/13 - 08:20 am
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Bring back the Gephart Rule

Bring back the Gephart Rule if you pass a budget then you also vote to raise the debt ceiling. Links the two by parliamentary procedure. People have lost sight that it isn't just raising the debt ceiling but the Senate has finally passed their first budget in years.

deestafford
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deestafford 10/14/13 - 08:31 am
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It's too bad so many people think history started the day they

were born and take any info about anything prior to that time from liberal talking points. It would really help reduce their ignorance if they would do their own research using first source documents.

Another thing is our government was set up to avoid the tyranny of the majority and was designed for conflict to hamper big government from developing and running people's lives.

It was John Adams who said, "Our Constitution and form of government is set up for a moral and religious people". Unfortunately, we don't have that type of people in the White House or in too much of the House and Senate. We have too many who want to "fundamentally change America" because they either hate or really dislike what America is and what it stands for.

We have enemies of our country and our way of life serving in the halls of our government as elected officials and appointed bureaucrats.

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ymnbde 10/14/13 - 08:45 am
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please, can a liberal just answer a question?

how can a reduction in the ratio
of doctors to patients
do no harm?
my goodness... that's is one of the main things this is all about
not that someone called someone else a bad name
because tumors won't wait
my goodness don't people realize how important this is?
do liberals have no one whose life depends on a strong and functioning health care system?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/14/13 - 09:02 am
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I don't know giving in to

I don't know giving in to prevent defaulting on our debt would make Dems heroes. Not caving in will make them equally at fault because they could have prevent it. Is every time a bill comes up where there is division are Dems going to call them jihadist , etc. till they have their way?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/14/13 - 09:50 am
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Too bad America isn't a

Too bad America isn't a democracy because the majority are conservative and even moderates run middle to slightly right. So that leaves all the progressives and their communist cohorts who would no longer have a voice and we could run them out of the country. Too Bad. But we have a Republic which has allowed this extremist minority view of progressive to have a voice-withe their commie friends. I assume those that oppose the conservative few support the communist ideology of the progressive party. The inflammatory rhetoric I just posted is mocking the progressive attitude-i now feel I have to explain my posits because some people are lacking in intellect. Sheesh.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/14/13 - 11:40 am
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deestafford...you are

deestafford...you are absolutely correct in your earliest post..2nd..the country by constitution is suppose to have a budget...each and every year..the dims under obumler when in absolute control of ther govt never passed one because CRs bring about crisis so they can demagogue and try to cause panic...it was a clever plan and since they have a willing media...they can get away with..some one brought up the gephart rule..thats fine if you pass a budget...we dont ...obumler fought and voted against raing the debt limit as senator with all his indignant rhetoric againt BUSH..what a jerk

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 10/14/13 - 12:45 pm
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Mr. Barden,
Unpublished

you're not only wrong but dead wrong.

OJP
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OJP 10/14/13 - 04:21 pm
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Spot on letter.

Only thing I'd add is that the House GOP changed the rules right before the shutdown to prevent any member from forcing a vote on a Senate bill if the Speaker refuses to present it.

here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

KSL
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KSL 10/14/13 - 08:22 pm
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Nancy P and omitcare, or is it ovomitcare?

First we have to pass to see what is in it.

Now it seems we have to implement before we can change it. Except Obama got a waiver on that, errrr, his highness took it.

http://lastresistance.com/3374/pelosi-implement-obamacare-changes-can-made/

KSL
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KSL 10/14/13 - 08:19 pm
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Have all of those botox

Have all of those botox treatments finally made it to her brain and smoothed out the wrinkles (creases) she had there?

KSL
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KSL 10/15/13 - 12:12 am
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She reminds me of a body

She reminds me of a body prepared for final viewing.

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