Obama wrongdoings mount

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President Obama has yet again created chaos in a country that is fed up with all of his lies and deceit. He recently has gone on various TV news shows and stated that he has bent over backward to deal with Republicans. As an independent voter I would ask: How does one bend over backward when you refuse to discuss the issues you have with what the Republicans are doing? You can’t resolve anything if you don’t talk, but what you can do is make the other guy look like he is at fault, which Obama has succeeded in doing.

Our illustrious president’s other cunning ploy, which the majority of people are ignoring, is that he is involved in another distraction. He has gone from the Fast and Furious gun-running debacle to the Benghazi diplomatic compound attack to the National Security Agency leaks to the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of Tea Party groups to the Syria threat to bomb their country – and now to the government shutdown. In every situation mentioned, the American people have been left hanging without closure to all of the scandals.

To say that Obama is acting in his own interests and not in the best interest of the American people would be an understatement. He is like the proverbial tree that won’t bend – sooner or later he will break under that weight of all of his wrongdoing.

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fedex227
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fedex227 10/09/13 - 01:58 pm
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Sorry HA,

once the name-calling starts I'm out. Enjoy.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/09/13 - 01:59 pm
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HA @ 1:52

"Having health insurance does NOT make you remain well, when it causes a shortage of doctors and reduction in service"

Again with the shortage of drs.. I don't see were Obamacare is going to cause this shortage. Even if it does, it is just ushering in the shortages that most certainly will be caused by an ageing population. This NEEDS to be a wake-up call to the powers the control medical schools to increase health care professional graduates.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 02:00 pm
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fedex...I didn't see any name

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fedex...I didn't see any name calling....perhaps you can show us THAT when you show the transcript.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 02:01 pm
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So adding 47 million patients

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So adding 47 million patients without adding ANY doctors won't create a shortage. Is that called "common core" mathematics?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 02:02 pm
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"This NEEDS to be a wake-up

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"This NEEDS to be a wake-up call to the powers the control medical schools to increase health care professional graduates."

How do you propose the do THAT? By lowering the standards and making less competent doctors?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/09/13 - 02:11 pm
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HA @ 1:55

"You keep saying it is good for 47 million Americans..... Again I ask...HOW"

I know conservatives don't see it in the humane way, BUT it is specifically for the un-insured. The majority of liberals don't see it as fair nor human to shut out 47 million "HUMANS" from health insurance. I have, AND I STAND BY my agreeing with conservatives about the cost factor to tax-payers AND that Obama is very wrong about trying to "re-write" the law to please himself and big business. I don't back off of my stand that it is the fair and the right thing to AT THE VERY LEAST try!!

Hate to argue and run, BUT I have chores. I am having a good time with this!! I will try to get back later.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 02:13 pm
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T3...you need to read the CBO

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T3...you need to read the CBO report that shows just how few of those 47 million will get insurance due to the ACA.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 02:14 pm
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How is it humane to degrade

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How is it humane to degrade the health CARE of the rest of the Country so that a few can have health INSURANCE?

KSL
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KSL 10/09/13 - 02:23 pm
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10 million without health

10 million without health insurance because they gambled on not needing, but could have afforded it. 10 million were eligible for programs that existed. Wharto found that only 10 million were unsured look. Look it up.

Problems could have been solved without this onerous and very flawed bill which has been said that will leave about the same number uninsured.

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KSL 10/09/13 - 03:13 pm
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faithson
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faithson 10/09/13 - 03:40 pm
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There is NO proof for this statement, NONE, opinion only

How is it humane to degrade the health CARE of the rest of the Country

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InChristLove 10/09/13 - 03:49 pm
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T3, where do you get this 47

T3, where do you get this 47 million benefitting?

Congressional Buget Office says it will reduce the number of uninsured by 25 millions, still leaving 31 million uninsured.

"We decided to check out Rep. Gibbs’ claim that so many people would still be without health insurance after the bill is fully implemented. Although Gibbs’ office did not respond to requests to document his information, we found a Congressional Budget Office analysis released three days before Gibbs’ remark that stated: "In our current projections for 2023, the ACA reduces the number of people without health insurance by 25 million, leaving 31 million uninsured (compared with 30 million in our February estimate)." That’s close to the number that Gibbs provided."

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2013/jun/10/bob-gibbs/rep-bob-...

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InChristLove 10/09/13 - 04:07 pm
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Don't believe HA said it was

Don't believe HA said it was a fact, just asking the question of T3. But, if you think about all the consequences of implementing a program with major problems through-out it, just because you want to save face or get an atta-boy, it would be a fairly accurrate opinion that it would degrade the quality of health care for a good portion of Americans. Of course if you wish to ignore the issues then I'd guess your opinion would be different than hers.

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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 04:27 pm
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"There is NO proof for this

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"There is NO proof for this statement, NONE, opinion only"

I'll post the proof AGAIN.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/report-thousands-fled-canada-for-healt...

I guess they are coming here because their socialized medicine is just too good?

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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 04:37 pm
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Good point, ICL...how can a

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Good point, ICL...how can a QUESTION be an opinion?

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faithson 10/09/13 - 04:49 pm
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?

the question is based upon a flawed premise, thus the question is flawed, period. your anecdotal evidence does not support your idea that our health care system will be degraded. Again, there is no evidence, only conjecture, i.e. opinion.

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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 04:50 pm
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Flawed premise? No evidence?

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Flawed premise? No evidence? Even though I posted proof for you to read? How do you debate with people who won't acknowledge facts when you show them, and call hard evidence "conjecture?"

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KSL 10/09/13 - 05:08 pm
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HA

Probably no point in trying.

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faithson 10/09/13 - 05:26 pm
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dailycaller

the article referenced says NOTHING about quality of care, NOTHING. It addresses length of time for service, period.

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Humble Angela 10/09/13 - 05:33 pm
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Having a long wait IS a

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Having a long wait IS a degradation of care. Good lord! If you can't get a doctor before you die, I would call that degraded care.

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chascushman 10/09/13 - 05:33 pm
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'Probably no point in

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'Probably no point in trying.'
I agree, it is hard to discuss with people that have no common sense

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rmwhitley 10/09/13 - 06:26 pm
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obama is a corrupt kennedy gopher.

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The democratic party is simply the communist party with another name. And, we the morons who keep electing this trash, are ultimately to blame. We reap what we sow. napolean obama will have his day and find himself in Elba, a rich boy.

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faithson 10/09/13 - 07:12 pm
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35 million people, population of Canada, all covered

and only 46,000 left for care in USA, according to the article... and one would use that FACT as evidence... so, .0013% of the covered population desire to use other means and somehow that is evidence that the Health Care system in Canada, sucks.

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faithson 10/09/13 - 07:14 pm
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chas

'no common sense'... pot calling the kettle black

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t3bledsoe 10/09/13 - 07:21 pm
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Humane comment

Facts and figures can not take the place of being humane. This is probably why Canada and some countries in Europe have socialized medicine. This is based on the humane belief that ALL CITIZENS should have access to health care. I believe Faithson and I agree on this point, and I would wager that millions of citizens believe this also. How many decades have a good number of Americans gone without insurance?? This is most likely the main reason for Medicaid and Medicare. It is not because I am on Medicare that I favor it much more over Medicaid. Medicare is partially paid for by specific pay roll deductions. Medicaid is paid for TOTALLY out of tax payers pockets! Do I think recipients of Soc. Sec. and Medicare should give up a small % of there allotment? If there is a means test that proves some people will not be terribaly impacted, then YES. I probably could go on BECAUSE YOU KNOW we liberals debate with our feelings and emotions! Obamacare is just as necessary as Medicaid and Medicare! And, again, I have to side with Faithson's arguement. If there is a coming "STORM" with Obamacare and an ageing population, then it is past time to do away with this abomination of "it's not what you know it's who you know" way of doing business with medical school admissions! The pipe-line MUST be opened up to more intelligent people who are just sitting around waiting for there chance to prove themselves to be great health care proffessionals!

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faithson 10/09/13 - 07:40 pm
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there is so much room for improvement...

Our medical system is based upon some very, very old ideas about who can care for a patient. Just like the Catholic church, there are not enough pro's out there to serve the people. We must, as t3 says create a new paradigm where intervening services can be given by 'schooled' actors. Pray tell why my kidney stone cost my insurance company thousands of dollars at the emergency room, when had a clinic been available, they could have done everything the emergency room did. This new program that is being worked out will allow for the upstart of new programs and ideas. all the blokes who want to stay with the existing system just don't like change, period.

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t3bledsoe 10/09/13 - 07:43 pm
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HA @ 2:13

"T3...you need to read the CBO report that shows just how few of those 47 million will get insurance due to the ACA"

You say many liberals don't do very much research to "PROVE" their point. I believe your statement is so true that you have proven your own theory wrong. If there are going to be much fewer people getting on Obamacare, then the "coming storm" of major shortages of health care professionals will most likely not come true.

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InChristLove 10/09/13 - 07:43 pm
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(faithson) "35 million

(faithson) "35 million people, population of Canada, all covered new and only 46,000 left for care in USA"

Faithson, you are going on the assumption that all 35 million people in Canada are seeking treatment or a waiting to have a procedure done. The 46,000 are the ones who have gotten tired of waiting, received less than quality care, and can afford to travel to the US for treatment. No everyone is that fortunate.

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t3bledsoe 10/09/13 - 07:48 pm
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Faithson @ 7:40

"Our medical system is based upon some very, very old ideas about who can care for a patient. Just like the Catholic church, there are not enough pro's out there to serve the people. We must, as t3 says create a new paradigm where intervening services can be given by 'schooled' actors. Pray tell why my kidney stone cost my insurance company thousands of dollars at the emergency room, when had a clinic been available, they could have done everything the emergency room did. This new program that is being worked out will allow for the upstart of new programs and ideas. all the blokes who want to stay with the existing system just don't like change, period"

I can't match all of the intelligent talk, BUT I just don't see how anyone can argue with the points that you have made over the past couple of hours!! GREAT WORK!!

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Gage Creed 10/09/13 - 07:56 pm
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I wonder if the assumption

I wonder if the assumption that Canada has population of 32 million with an illegal population being the 120,000 vs. the population of the US being 330 million with and an illegal population being estimated at 11 million would have any relevance.

If my capacity for ratios is still intact, I see that the population of the US is somewhere near 10 times that of Canada. Whereas, the illegal population in the US is 100 times that of Canada.... things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm. (by a factor of 10)

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