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The United States is bankrupt. Life goes on as normal because there is great flexibility in such a huge economy.

There is a “budget crisis” and a looming “debt-limit crisis.” These are a problem because, I think, Congress and the president planned it. The president sent his budget proposal to Congress in the spring. It was late, but since an actual budget – with 13 separate appropriations bills – has not been signed into law for four years, the president’s tardiness is moot.

Both parties blame each other for the shutdown. The fact is that they have had more than five months to debate the budget. The House of Representatives has produced numerous budget bills only to see them tabled by the Democrat-controlled Senate. Since the last budget passed was the Pelosi-Reid-Obama budget, the Democrats are happy to “continue it” with a constant stream of continuing resolutions.

The real debate is over the type of government we actually have. Democrats say that America is a democracy, and must operate by “majority rule.” The Constitution is a “dated” document and is irrelevant now. Conservatives say that America is a constitutional republic with limited government. A century ago, progressives were successful in reducing the power of the states with the 17th Amendment. Senators had been elected by state legislatures. Now both representatives and senators are popularly elected. Only their terms of office are different. The problem with democracies is they fail when the people realize that they can write checks to themselves.

Democrats make a heartwarming appeal for the “little guy.” In the 1930s it was electricity and secure retirements for all. From the 1960s on, it was jobs and promotions through race preference for minorities and medical care for all. For several decades it has been telephones for all. The progressive “solution” is always according to Karl Marx’s philosophy of taking from those who have and redistributing to those who “need.” Marxism fails when, as Margaret Thatcher said, you run out of other people’s money. Progressives believe individual responsibility and free markets are wrong. A marriage with husband and wife is wrong because “it takes a village to raise a child.” There is power in the union of workers and the in the “collective.”

We have clear examples implementations of fascism, communism and socialism that failed. Our constitutional republic with a free-market economy has succeeded well. Our forefathers believed in the inherent sinfulness of mankind, and the need for checks and balances. That rule of law is rarely practiced today.

Chuck Tatum

North Augusta, S.C.

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deestafford 10/07/13 - 01:32 am
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Excellent, excellent letter.

It is obvious that the letter writer is a student of history and not someone who regurgitates democratic talking points.

jkline
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jkline 10/07/13 - 03:46 am
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I agree--very good analysis

I agree with the first comment. A fine analysis of the current situation.

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Bodhisattva 10/07/13 - 05:20 am
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So Chuck is against rural

So Chuck is against rural electrification and Social Security. A plan that brought power throughout the country and millions of elderly out of poverty. He obviously prefers the Jim Crow era and the discrimination against minorities and is against Medicare. Pro racism and against a plan that, without which, the majority of elderly in this country wouldn't be able to afford health care. Opposes unions yet when union membership was at its highest this country had the strongest middle class in its history. Do you just prefer the gilded age Chuck? The time of sweatshops and child labor? The time when people starved in the streets and died from a myriad of diseases? You whine that people have the power to elect their representatives then complain about fascism, communism, and socialism? Just how mixed up can you be? The founders were clear. They didn't fear the people making the choice, they feared big monied corporations and banks gaining too much power. Pretty much just as they have today. With just the 6 heirs to the WalMart fortune owning more wealth than the bottom 40% of Americans, who do you really think gets the government to put in plans that favor them? The lots of nobodies who can just vote, or the handful who can pass out hundreds of millions for reelection campaigns? Yes, the government is running out of other people's money, that of the middle class, and passing it on up (the trickle up theory) right on up to those at the top.

Jefferson: “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”

Adams: “Banks have done more injury to the religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they can have done or ever will do good.”

While not a founding father, definitely a great President, and the one who preserved the Union. It rings just as true now.
Lincoln: “We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood … It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.”

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ymnbde 10/07/13 - 06:17 am
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you know it's a good letter

by the response of the drama queens
no, just because Republicans want to tax a bit less
and spend in a more reasonable manner
does not mean they don't want to spend anything at all
and let people starve and make black people uneducated and
think they are always victims and can never succeed
and must vote democrat or they will be put back into slavery
and allow the killing of innocent babies and make banks loan money to people who can't pay it back and cause our deficits to increase so that each child born already is in massive debt and make schools instruments of social change instead of teaching and doing much harm to our health care system and dismantling the black family and "section 8'ing our neighborhoods and using the irs to steal elections...
(oh, wait... the democrats already do that!)
oh, gasp, it does give one the vapors!

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southern2 10/07/13 - 11:29 pm
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Thanks, Mr. Tatum, for this

Thanks, Mr. Tatum, for this simple lesson into the conflict facing us today.

The line has been drawn, on which side will you stand?

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nocnoc 10/07/13 - 07:33 am
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A simple rule of life.

You can only buy what you can afford, or you go bankrupt and ruin your credit. Then it costs more to borrow $$$$.

The USA had revenues in 2013 of $5.4 Trillion in revenues along with Government Spending of $6.4 Trillion. This is a Federal spending Deficit of $1.0 trillion. With Fed. Healthcare and Fed. Political pensions being the biggest items in the budget.

The USA has just over $16.9 TRILLION worth of debt as a nation.
A debt growing each year, that is currently almost a 3 times a debt to income ratio. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

SO MAYBE
it is time to quit transferring the spending problems to our kids, grand kids and yes great grand kids futures.

it is time to rework those GREAT PENSIONS & Benefits that politicians get?

it is time to address putting Education ahead of OBAMACARE and other political boon-doggles?

it is time to abolish 76,000+ pages of the IRS Tax Code and
replace it with a simple national sales tax, or flat tax or a fair tax WITHOUT exemption after exemption for big campaign donors and vocal industries.

it is time to re-focus Congress of its limited duties as required under the US Constitution."the General Welfare"

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justthefacts 10/07/13 - 07:51 am
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Bod is a Jefferson Fan?

Cool. TJ's take on the Tatum letter.

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.¬Thomas Jefferson"
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have. Thomas Jefferson
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

grouse
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grouse 10/07/13 - 08:34 am
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It's obvious the letter
Unpublished

It's obvious the letter writer has NO idea of history, but dwells in conspiracy theories, emotionalism, and catastrophic thinking...

KSL
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KSL 10/07/13 - 08:41 am
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Bod, you just make up

Bod, you just make up conclusions that fit your agenda.

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deestafford 10/07/13 - 09:41 am
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The main right we the people have that is violated by the

federal government: The Right to be Left Alone! That is all we ask.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/07/13 - 09:58 am
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Bod, you ought to know by now
Unpublished

Bod, you ought to know by now that no mater what you print, no matter whether it's that Reagan raised taxes 11 times, or the real reason our country is in it's current economic state, or that it's raining(when there's a hurricane outside), the "conservatives"(read extremists)" will find some way to deny them. If they can't say that 'stats are skewed", they will just flat out say "it's a lie". The only valid reason to bother posting in here is the humor brought out by the inane answers that your comments bring forth. They are funny, aren't they?
You guys keep encouraging your representatives to commit political suicide, please? The jokes you make really brighten my day!

KSL
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KSL 10/07/13 - 10:11 am
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Pathetic!

Pathetic!

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jimmymac 10/07/13 - 10:16 am
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Mr. Tatum
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You're letter is the state of politics in America in a nutshell. Harry Reed has brought the business of government to a standstill. His refusal to pass a budget for five years is scandalous and shows his contempt for the American people. It's time for the good people of Nev. to show him the door and stop him from holding the country captive.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/07/13 - 11:24 am
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I'm sure there's a deserted
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I'm sure there's a deserted island somewhere that those who wish to be CAN be left alone. No taxes, no infrastructure, no servants to work for minimum wage, no nothing. That's fitting.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 11:29 am
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GACopprhed & KSL

"Bod, you ought to know by now that no mater what you print, no matter whether it's that Reagan raised taxes 11 times, or the real reason our country is in it's current economic state, or that it's raining(when there's a hurricane outside), the "conservatives"(read extremists)" will find some way to deny them"

"Pathetic!"

Unfortunately, I know that our own government is like this "in each others' faces"!! Obviously, several of the commenters on here are like that as well!! Based on these two situations, I suppose we can extrapolate this out to THE WHOLE population and realize why we ALL are in such major grid-lock!! Heaven help U.S.!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 11:32 am
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"The United States is bankrupt"

I wonder if this goes for the national debt AND our ability to come together to finally solve OUR PROBLEMS!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 11:35 am
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"Life goes on as normal because there is great flexibility in such a huge economy"

REALLY?? If our gov. is as DISFUNTIONAL as it is today, HOW can our daily lives be considered NORMAL??!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 11:39 am
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"There is a “budget crisis” and a looming “debt-limit crisis.” These are a problem because, I think, Congress and the president planned it"

I know this theory sound "way, way out there", BUT I could see this happening!! We, as a nation of people, have GOT TO REALIZE what fiscal trouble WE ARE IN!! The only way to START to solve it is to be literally SHOCKED into reality!!

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/07/13 - 11:44 am
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hey, copperheat, what happened to your request for "civility?"

oh, wait... maybe because you can't answer a question
how can a reduction in the ratio of doctors to patients
do no harm?
really, the cartoon today fits...

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Bizkit 10/07/13 - 11:51 am
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We have a crisis with our

We have a crisis with our large and growing federal govt., we can't generate enough to feed it,(we can't print enough money, tax enough income, or generate by any means enough money fast enough or large enough to feed it) we cant feed it enough by any means, so is it too big to fail. Apparently not but maybe it will starve itself and become leaner and healthier. An overweight govt is just as unhealthy as an overweight individual.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 11:54 am
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"Both parties blame each other for the shutdown"

YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT!! The Republicans want to distroy Obamacare and the Democrats are dug in to stop this "illegal" way of trying to hold up Obamacare; A LAW; that the Democrats will not let happen, THEREFORE this gov. shut-down!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 11:59 am
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Bizkit @ 11:51

"We have a crisis with our large and growing federal govt., we can't generate enough to feed it,(we can't print enough money, tax enough income, or generate by any means enough money fast enough or large enough to feed it"

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!! I saw a business man interviewed about the grid-lock and what it is doing to the economy. He stated, and how true this is, that the only way out of this is to have a Congress, Senate, and president to make what ever changes that need to be made WITHOUT FEAR OF THEIR POLITICAL FUTURES!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 12:02 pm
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"The fact is that they have had more than five months to debate the budget"

BUT AT WHAT point did The Tea Party deside to hold the budget hostage with Obamacare in the balance??!!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/07/13 - 12:15 pm
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We are in a crisis because we

We are in a crisis because we have a President who is more interested in fundamental change than solving the problems of this country.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 12:26 pm
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"The real debate is over the type of government we actually have"

I don't question The Constitution, GOODNESS KNOWS I have learned my lesson about that!! So The Constitution states that we have a Constitutional Republic with 'supposedly" a limited government. If Republicans believe this; down to their very core; then why haven't Republican Congresses, Senates, and presidents done something about it??!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 12:30 pm
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"The Constitution is a “dated” document and is irrelevant now"

In my opinion, this statement is incorrect!! The 1st and 2nd Ammendments are sometimes TOO alive and well!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 12:35 pm
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"A century ago, progressives were successful in reducing the power of the states with the 17th Amendment. Senators had been elected by state legislatures"

Sounds like the 17th Ammendment did a GREAT JOB to get rid a probable "GOOD-OL'-BOY" situation that probably was very alive and well!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 12:44 pm
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"There is power in the union of workers and the in the “collective.”"

Unions became NECESSARY because owners and management REFUSED to provide decent working conditions, WHICH INCLUDED SAFETY, and wages!! Owners and management have multipule vested interests in keeping the work down as much as they can get away with!!

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Echoes86 10/07/13 - 12:45 pm
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The letter is not far off on the Dems

The letter is not far off on the Dems, but man oh man is this writer delusional when it comes to the Republicans. The Republicans talk a great game when it comes to the economy, but then things like war and increased defense spending come up and they lose their ideals. Truth is, both Democrats and Republicans will tax you to death. It's just a difference in what they spend that money on. Also, let's not forget that both Democrats and Republicans love to ignore the Constitution. Especially that pesky 1st Amendment.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/07/13 - 12:51 pm
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"Our forefathers believed in the inherent sinfulness of mankind, and the need for checks and balances. That rule of law is rarely practiced today"

I believe the current gov. shut-down is an almost perfect example of "checks and balances"!! Obamacare, A LAW, is being held hostage by The House of Reps.!! This Senate and president reaction IS INDEED a clear example of checks and balance!!

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