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Regarding the letter “We need a compromise” (Oct. 1):

I disagree with the writer’s premise that the Republicans are playing a “shut-down-the-government game of chicken.” Since when is standing for principles “chicken”? They are listening to voters who are constantly being lied to by our government. It is about time that we are being represented. The Senate could have “compromised” just as well – by listening to voters. They are equally responsible for the current shutdown, which seems to be the only way to get their attention.

Our country is crumbling. Thank God for principled legislators.

Penny Strader

Augusta

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deestafford 10/03/13 - 03:58 am
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The letter writer is on target.

Hopefully, the Republicans will stand firm. The RHINOs in the northeast and a couple in FL (which I've heard described as New Jersey with palm trees) are crumbling, but that is no surprise.

Once more and more people see what this monstrosity called Obamacare is doing to them they will thank the Republicans for standing strong. An example is the plans offered by the exchanges are bronze, silver, gold, and platinum. The cheapest, the bronze, has a monthly premium of about $100 a month for an individual. Sounds good doesn't it? However, it has a $5000 deductible. That means a person has to spend $5000 out of their pocket before the insurance begins to pay. Yeah, this obamacare is really "affordable".

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/03/13 - 04:13 am
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Well deestafford, if you were
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Well deestafford, if you were a young, healthy person, a $100 a month premium with a high deductible is a wise choice.If you have an older car, and are a safe driver, it's common to have only liability or have a high deductible on you collision coverage. You're trying to turn something into a negative that isn't.

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Bodhisattva 10/03/13 - 05:23 am
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I wonder how long you would

I wonder how long you would have to be in the hospital and how many procedures it would take to hit $5,000? Did a quick check. The number are old, 2009, but I doubt the costs have gone down. Per the Kaiser Family Foundation using info from Blue Cross, the average for a 3 day hospital stay is $27,984, for a burst appendix $48,151. The National Business Group on Health (a group that represents large employers in health matters) found that for even a mild heart attack, when you factor in hospital stay, surgery, exams, prescription drugs, and follow-up visits, the cost was around $760,000. It comes down to 3 choices. 1. People don't get treatment and die. 2. They get treated, have zero insurance, and the hospital passes the costs along to the rest of us in the form of higher bills. 3. They are required to have insurance under this law, even though it is imperfect, (I'm not crazy about deductibles but I'm stuck with them on my car and home policies as well) and they'll still have a bill, it'll be far less than if they had no insurance, and the hospitals will at least be guaranteed reimbursement for the vast majority of the bill and can bring down prices or at least not raise prices as rapidly. Number 3 is far and away the best choice for the individual, the hospital, and the rest of us who don't end up paying higher bills through back door means. Just like convenience stores charge extra to make up for shrinkage from people stealing, hospitals charge more to make up for people who get treated and don't pay. It's simple.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/03/13 - 06:59 am
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Bodhisattva
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Your point is spot on, unfortunately there's a technicality that protects the insurance companies, so that they continue to steal your money without paying out benefits: they don't pay a penny until AFTER the deductible is paid. Thus if that deductible is too big, and the insured is unable to pay it, your choice number 2 becomes the fact.
Insurance companies are no different from casinos, folks...they're in business to TAKE your money, not pay it out. They're not in business to lose money.
There is, however an answer to the problem; make insurance companies non-profit. They can pay their employees well, pay operating costs, and use the rest of the "profit" to increase benefits or reduce premiums.
They should Not be allowed to collude with the medical industry and other insurers to keep premiums fixed and medical costs out of control.

TrukinRanger
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TrukinRanger 10/03/13 - 07:07 am
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To the letter writer... the
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To the letter writer... the people DID speak and re-elected a president that had healthcare reform at the top of his to-do list. Most of the country voted for him - unfortunately the republican south hasn't come in line with the rest of the country. Mayberry is gone. Even though I have concerns about some parts of the ACA, it is better than the do-nothing approach from the GOP. People need more than tax credits and gobblity gook that the GOP has said was THEIR plan for healthcare reform. If every day people had the money to pay up front and in-full for over priced healthcare then there never would have been an issue.

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localguy55 10/03/13 - 07:23 am
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Anyone thinking that

Anyone thinking that government involvement in healthcare like Obamacare will decrease cost and increase quality, is having a wet dream. It was government involvement in the first place that caused the cost of healthcare to skyrocket. When congress got involved with tort litigation and increased regulation of healthcare accross the board, starting in the mid to late 70s, cost began to rise and never stopped. Now that they screwed things up here they are again proclaiming that they can fix it. Nothing more than backyard mechanics and that is insulting backyard mechanics.

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carcraft 10/03/13 - 07:31 am
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Gacopperhed you are correct,

Gacopperhed you are correct, the problem for Obama care is that the insurance premiums for the younger, rather than going to the insurance companies are planned to pay for premiums for the elderly. The other issue oz that the Obama administration has larded up the plans with requirements some young people don't want making the plans more costly for them. The third problem is that medicare funding is down and some of the reimbursement is tied to patient satisfaction! Hospitals that treat the poor are being very hard hit, Brady will lose $45 million under Obama care! But I guess all this is due to evil insurance companies!

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soapy_725 10/03/13 - 07:32 am
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Medicare is in place. Sell everyone a Medicare policy.
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Medicare is in place. Sell everyone a Medicare policy.

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grouse 10/03/13 - 08:18 am
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There is nothing "principled"
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There is nothing "principled" about holding the country hostage to change a law that was voted into law by both houses of Congress, signed into law by a President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. Introduce bill after bill to change it, as the Constitution allows, but don't try to weasel in such changes by adding riders to unrelated bills and holding the country hostage.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/03/13 - 08:29 am
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Should read GRADY

Should read GRADY

KSL
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KSL 10/03/13 - 09:42 am
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What if the young people

What if the young people won't or can't pay the deductible? Where is the savings there? And what about the 30 million or more who still won't have insurance after this fiasco? Just what is really being accomplished here?

KSL
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KSL 10/03/13 - 09:44 am
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Carcraft

You should post the article about Cuban hospitals for the ordinary Cubans from time to time.

deestafford
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deestafford 10/03/13 - 09:50 am
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KSL

You are so right about that article concerning the Cuban health system for the locals vs the visitors. It should be required reading/viewing for all congressman and senators as well as cabinet members. Unfortunately, they only suck down the kool aid of the Michael Moores and the members of the Black Congressional Conference who visit Cuba.

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t3bledsoe 10/03/13 - 10:13 am
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KSL @ 9:42

"What if the young people won't or can't pay the deductible? Where is the savings there? And what about the 30 million or more who still won't have insurance after this fiasco? Just what is really being accomplished here"

There is going to have to be some type of reprecussions for not following THE LETTER OF THE LAW!! This very small penalty of 95 dollars IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT!! I would advise the IRS to keep these already too extravigant refunds that these people that don't even pay taxes get EVERY YEAR!! I have always thought that was a waste of taxes!! I DON'T see this occurance of 30 million people who still are left out in the cold!! The rule is, if you can PROVE that you can not afford it, then you go on Medicaid.

As a side question, "Do you know if HA is sick or what??"

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/03/13 - 10:21 am
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"I disagree with the writer’s premise that the Republicans are playing a “shut-down-the-government game of chicken.” Since when is standing for principles “chicken”?"

SOOO, IT'S NOT OK for the Democrats and the president to stand on their principles??!! Talking about having your cake and eating it too!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/03/13 - 10:23 am
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"Our country is crumbling. Thank God for principled legislators"

YES, like the House Republicans!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/03/13 - 10:25 am
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"They are equally responsible for the current shutdown, which seems to be the only way to get their attention"

I have been saying this for three days!! BOTH Democrats and Republicans shear in this shut-down!

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chascushman 10/03/13 - 11:09 am
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"SOOO, IT'S NOT OK for the
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"SOOO, IT'S NOT OK for the Democrats and the president to stand on their principles??!! Talking about having your cake and eating it too!"
Bledsoe, it is hard to stand on something you don't have. Marxists/communist have take over the democrat party and they believe the end justifies the means.

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dichotomy 10/03/13 - 11:43 am
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Look at the average cost of a

Look at the average cost of a family Silver plan. Look at the number of jobs that have been cut to part time. Look at the additional taxes on medical devices and some 120 other taxes in Obamacare. Look at the CBO projected DOUBLING of the cost to the taxpayers of Obamacare. There is NOTHING good in Obamacare that could not have been accomplished with a one page law and some slight marketplace increases in premiums. Obamacare is a poison pill.

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Darby 10/03/13 - 12:01 pm
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Just as with EVERYTHING OzBama and his band of predators does,

this system is built to stand or fall on the backs of those who work hard and pay taxes while the primary benefits go to the parasites who were born, raised and will die feeding off the labor, money and efforts of others.

KSL
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KSL 10/03/13 - 12:10 pm
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Darby

TSD. At least one commenter is on the public dole.

Darby
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Darby 10/03/13 - 12:13 pm
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In the meantime, the cheerleaders for socialism are out in force

cherry picking statistics (almost all of them cut and paste) and telling us what a wonderful thing this mess is for all of us.

We're seeing posters on these boards who only come out when OzBama has dug himself into a hole and needs a steady stream of left leaning propaganda to fill the abyss and help him claw his way out.

In some ways, I agree with these whiners. The old adage is that when your opponent is self-destructing, you should get out of the way and let it happen.

Let OzBamaCare go into effect with a minimum of resistance. Then stand back, giving it no encouragement and allow it to die of benign neglect.

If the very young and the financially secure older adults don't enthusiastically support this travesty, it won't last long. It will die on the vine.

LET IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GACopprhed 10/03/13 - 03:42 pm
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dichotomy, where do you get your numbers from?
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This is directly from the CBO, and acoording to the article REDUCES the deficit.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/44176
Here's and excerpt from the article:
Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/03/13 - 03:47 pm
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In reading responses
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In reading responses pertaining to my posts, there are no facts, no proof, only insults and name calling. If I keep this up, all the Republican responders will probably have their heads blow up trying to come up with new names, lies and balderdash.
Darby I have posted non-partisan facts to back up my position, yet you have offered nothing of substance....

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Humble Angela 10/03/13 - 04:47 pm
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Nice....laments of name
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Nice....laments of name calling from the person who posted this. "Broun and the Republicans are jokes that only seek to benefit the doctors and the insurance companies...but then, I guess he needs a new..."

Darby
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Darby 10/04/13 - 04:53 pm
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"Darby I have posted non-partisan facts

to back up my position, yet you have offered nothing of substance...."

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What facts??? I've certainly not seen the first one. And non-partisan?? You really should write for Letterman.

You bring to mind that old adage that while you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, you are DEFINITELY NOT entitled to your own personal set of facts.

Wow! Non-partisan... that's really funny. I have no doubt that YOU believe that, but that's what makes it so funny.

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