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I am awestruck that Pope Francis would say or imply that you do not have to believe in Christ or worship God to go to heaven – that if you “know good from evil” you have a free pass. We are not here to allow people to tell us that your sin is more important than our faith.

The pope also said atheists can go to heaven if they meet “certain moral obligations.” This is wisdom bringing confusion to a crowd of ignorance – ignorance of common sense and the facts. Where comes the faith and responsibility of Scripture? Is the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ now deemed meaningless? If atheists can take a short cut to heaven, why not the lowly murderer? He can say that he knows good from evil and chooses evil; will he go to heaven?

Evil has no logic so the pope’s comments can only come to an illogical conclusion that the old 1980s animated film was right – that all dogs can go to heaven.

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Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/24/13 - 04:22 pm
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Agnostics are just skeptics

Agnostics are just skeptics they don't believe or disbelieve-they are neutral on the issue. You are either a theist or atheist because you have decided to believe or disbelieve but agnostics ignore the issue much like the Buddha never entertained the idea of a deity.

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t3bledsoe 09/24/13 - 04:25 pm
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Quote from LTE

"Evil has no logic so the pope’s comments can only come to an illogical conclusion"

There are millions of people who believe that God talks to The Pope!! Should these people go against their faith and dis-believe The Pope??

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t3bledsoe 09/24/13 - 04:34 pm
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"Is the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ now deemed meaningless?"

NO, NO, NO!! The crucifixion is the method of death to The Son. The resurrection was The Holy Spirit on Earth untill rising up to Heaven to become ALL 3. If The Pope believes that people OF ALL races and Nationalities can have faith, then they will; most likely be permitted into Heaven.

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t3bledsoe 09/24/13 - 04:38 pm
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Quote from LTE

"If atheists can take a short cut to heaven, why not the lowly murderer? He can say that he knows good from evil and chooses evil; will he go to heaven?"

If ANYONE "meets certain moral obligations" they may very well be permitted into Heaven.

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t3bledsoe 09/24/13 - 04:42 pm
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HA @ 9:14

"Why do people say or imply that Christians are not supposed to judge"

VERY, VERY simple. God is the ultimate judge.

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t3bledsoe 09/24/13 - 04:46 pm
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HA @ 9:29

"Judge not, lest ye be judged. It doesn't say just "judge not.""

Sounding like the preverbial broken record, "God is judge". Even a strong willed person can understand that!!

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Bodhisattva 09/24/13 - 04:50 pm
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The Pope heading towards

The Pope heading towards Islam? The comments you read in this paper. Unbelievable.

myfather15
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myfather15 09/24/13 - 05:22 pm
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Walter

Confusion is the best weapon against TRUTH!! The Truth is, many times; when Christ was asked questions by the saddducees and pharisees, what was his answer? "Have ye not read?" THAT was his answer, because He KNEW the answer was in the old testament and nothing more needed to be said!! People like you CLAIM that Christ never taught against homosexuality, but it's NOTHING but a feeble attempt at CONFUSING people. The truth is, Christ told us to listen to the Old Testament and use it as our guide!!

Now, that is NOT concerning blood sacrifice and rituals; because HE was the final blood sacrifice of all time!! He did away with all blood ordinances, NOT the law!!

myfather15
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myfather15 09/24/13 - 05:29 pm
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LIBERAL'S are the ones always

LIBERAL'S are the ones always saying we shouldn't judge, because they certainly DO NOT want people judging their ANYTHING goes society!!

But it's funny, we aren't suppose to judge? Yet, God himself appointed Judges over Israel in the Old Testament. He didn't appoint Kings originally, but judges.

Christ also said "By their fruits, ye shall know them." How are you suppose to know someone by their fruits/works, if you NEVER judge their behavior??? Answer me this Bodhisattva!!

We are NOT to judge the SOUL and whether someone will go to hell or heaven. But we CERTAINLY are to judge their behavior here on earth. This is just more confusion from the LEFT!!!

myfather15
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myfather15 09/24/13 - 05:48 pm
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"From what I've seen so far,

"From what I've seen so far, I like pope Frank. After hundreds of years of priests, bishops and cardinals raping little children and getting away with it and having it all covered up by church leadership, finally the Catholic Church gets a pope who shall I say, acts un popelike?"

People, this is ALL you should need to know, to realize people like the Pope are NOT men of God!!

When blatant, god hating athiests are supporting a person; you can rest assured, that person is NOT a man of God!! It's just that simple!!!

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myfather15 09/24/13 - 05:34 pm
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"He shows a little compassion

"He shows a little compassion to ALL of gods children and tries to follow the Christ in which he professes to believe--and the entire Christian world goes nuts!!"

ALL gods children??? This coming from a person has has referred to that god as a "magical sky fairy" "spaghetti god" and numerous other deragatory names?? Now you choose to refer to them as "ALL gods children."

Once again people; if you want a standard to judge by; when athiests are supporting the man, you probably should NOT!!

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Bizkit 09/24/13 - 05:42 pm
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The Pope and Islam was a

The Pope and Islam was a joke-I later mentioned how the whole issue is a media ruse. The media has him accepting homosexuality next will be Islam. Sheesh I have to explain it to you.

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myfather15 09/24/13 - 05:45 pm
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Yes, I did say he is a well disguised Athiest and I stick to it!

Why? Because when MOST of what is coming out of ones mouth, is against the teachings of the Bible; I call a spade a spade!! Christ also WARNS us over and over about these people; "Many shall come in my name!! Believe them NOT!!"

Also in Revelations is says we NEED to know who those who CLAIM to be of Judah and are NOT but do LIE!!

"By their fruits, ye shall know them."

I do not care WHO you are or what position you hold; including the Pope!! If what you spout is constantly against God's word, I'll call you out on it!! It's quite CLEAR through God's word and through the NATURE that he created, that homosexuality was NOT His intent!! If so, then why wouldn't he have created a way for them to naturally procreate; He certainly could have!! The Pope has came out in support of homosexual marriage and now saying athiests can go to heaven?? And you think I will call this man a man of God?? I think not!!

I'm not judging him, I'm KNOWING him by his fruits!!

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myfather15 09/24/13 - 05:51 pm
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I'm done with this argument!!

I'm done with this argument!! It makes me SICK!! Ignorant people of this Country can continue to listen to these lying people all they want!! Like saying the gay marriage supporting boy scouts SHOULD be allowed to hold their meetings in a CHURCH!! Sounds like something this Pope would say and MILLIONS would support it!! It makes NO SENSE, but that's how people are becoming!!

People simply have no SPINE to stand up to this ridiculous non-sense anymore!! It's absolutely pathetic!!!

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RMSHEFF 09/24/13 - 05:57 pm
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Myfather

You are correct. Liberal progressives must discredit all of the writings of Paul in order to justify their position that sin is no big deal. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are repulsed by the idea of judgement of sin and eternal hell. In effect they believe 1/2 of the Gospel which is a false Gospel. They don't know what to do about the other 62 books of the Bible.

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Bizkit 09/24/13 - 06:20 pm
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The Pope still supports

The Pope still supports catholic teachings on sex. He stated that homosexual acts are sinful but then added that the sexual orientation is not. Basically stating hate the sin and love the sinner. He wants women to be treated more fairly yet still holds they can never be priests. The man is humble and served with a christian heart the poor. I doubt many posters have served the Lord with the zeal and vigor of this man.

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WalterBradfordCannon 09/24/13 - 06:38 pm
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myfather15 and rmsheff, if

myfather15 and rmsheff, if you hold that in your religion being born with a homosexual orientation makes you a second class citizen, I want nothing to do with your religion. I will stick to the two commandments of Jesus - to love and accept God and to follow the Golden Rule. If your religion requires you to abstain from the Golden Rule when it comes to homosexuals, that is your choice, and the Father will judge both you and I someday.

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RMSHEFF 09/24/13 - 06:38 pm
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Bizkit

It seem the Catholic church is losing members as are most churches and his statement was an effort to appease a increasingly sinful society. Many catholics are against the churches teaching on birth control and polls show many young adults don't see anything wrong with same sex marriages. We are beginning to see the "falling away" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 when the people will no longer endure sound doctrine. Many church leaders will give in to the pressure to maintain membership at the expense of God's truth. Pray for all of the Church leaders that they will be strong in the Lord !

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WalterBradfordCannon 09/24/13 - 06:53 pm
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2 Thessalonians. Written by

2 Thessalonians. Written by Paul. Surprise, surprise.

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RMSHEFF 09/24/13 - 06:55 pm
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Walter

" being born with a homosexual orientation makes you a second class citizen" The "orientation" makes you nothing. Acting on the orientation is sinful but we are all sinners and saved by the grace of God. Every person has areas in which they struggle and are tempted. I worked with a man that claimed he had a over active sex drive and could not resist any opportunity to act upon his urge and ended up being fired for having relations with several other employees under him. The issue is sinfulness and not salvation but we must never say we are not sinning when God's word is clear on the subject. We will all struggle with sin until we are made perfect but Christ came so that we could be free from the due penalty of our sin. 1 Corinthians 10:13 There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

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grouse 09/24/13 - 07:21 pm
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When one speaks of logic, one
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When one speaks of logic, one has to immediately stop speaking of religion...

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thauch12 09/24/13 - 09:23 pm
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Hypocrisy

Walter, I'm with you. It's amazing the same geniuses speaking of "CONFUSION" (perhaps YOU know WHO i AM talking ABOUT) are willing to base their entire "argument" (and that is me being generous with the word) on that very premise! As much as they would like to believe that some leftist antichrist has infiltrated the papacy, the "CONFUSION" they spew is merely a tool to advance their own personal views that are blatantly anti-Catholic.

After all, the Pope never said ANYTHING about it being "ok" to be gay, have an abortion, be an athiest (sic), or live HOWEVER you want. It is sickening to see how some have morphed his message of inclusivity to propagate outright lies and half-truths.

Think back to Christ's parable of the lost sheep...this man is welcoming the lost back into the fold! For the first time in a long time, we are seeing a true VICAR (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vicar) of Christ and it has people scared.

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freeradical 09/24/13 - 10:10 pm
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Corrupt Institution Of Child Sexual Assault

That the leader of an institution so morally bankrupt that it would give

collective wink & nod to the longstanding practice of raping of

children would preach low morals is less newsworthy than reporting

night will follow day .

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WalterBradfordCannon 09/25/13 - 07:08 am
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rmsheff, it would be great if

rmsheff, it would be great if you could critique me based on the teachings of Jesus and not the teachings of Paul. I have already made it clear I prioritize the former over the latter when there is 'confusion'. 1 Corinthians was written by Paul, of course. In the case of homosexuals, I don't think that the same temptations are presented to you, presuming your are a heterosexual, and someone who is a homosexual. If you love and care about someone and devote your life to them, then you can engage in certain types of relations without sinning. In your view, a homosexual does not have the same right. I prioritize the love of God, and the Golden Rule, over other teachings, as instructed by Jesus, and that means that if a homosexual loves someone and devotes their lives to someone, they should receive the same rights with respect to that person as any other person. It is the Golden Rule, it is what Jesus would want - to treat all God's children with the same rights.

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myfather15 09/25/13 - 08:31 am
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Walter

"if you hold that in your religion being born with a homosexual orientation makes you a second class citizen,"

First of all, those are YOUR words!! I've NEVER treated a homosexual or anyone else for that matter as a second class citizen. I actually have several friends and co-workers who are gay and I like them very much!!

But it is YOUR OPINION, that if I do not agree with them being LEGALLY WED; that I treat them as second class citizens!! Well, so be it!! I know my heart and I KNOW I've never harmed one of them nor treated with with disrespect!! But YOU would believe I have, simply because I stand AGAINST lowering the standard of marriage to something that is UNNATURAL!! I don't care what you believe, I know my heart and so does God!! I do NOT hate ANYONE!!

Also, I've refuted you using Christ's own teachings, not Paul's; but you simply refuse to address it.

Also, you keep spouting "love they God and the golden rule"

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If you LOVE God with ALL your heart, soul and mind; you will TRY to follow his laws as best you possibly can, not live a life willfully against His teachings AND be bolsterous about it!!

Also, how are you to KNOW someone "by their fruits" (which is their works or what they produce) if you are never to judge their behavior? This was Christ's teaching!!

YOUR teachings, just won't fly!!

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GodisSoGood 09/25/13 - 10:22 am
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Why is it

Why is it that those who disagree with the teachings of the Bible feel the need to argue a point using the very scriptures with which they don't agree? Funny how those who have never been Christians know exactly how a Christian should live. Hypocrisy at its finest. People need to wake up and realize the end times are near. So many are blinded to the truth, just as scripture tells us they would be.

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Echoes86 09/25/13 - 10:23 am
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If you believe...

If you believe in God, you're not an atheist. Atheists are not God hating anything; they don't believe in God, so there is nothing to hate except other people. How can the Pope, a man who clearly believes in God, be an atheist? That makes no sense.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 09/25/13 - 10:32 am
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myfather15, it stands to

myfather15, it stands to reason that if you feel a gay man should not be allowed to marry his mate, but a non-gay man should be so allowed, that you think that gay men have fewer rights than non-gay men. In other words, you think they are second class citizens. I don't find such a stance in keeping with the teachings of Jesus wrt the Golden Rule.

myfather15
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myfather15 09/25/13 - 11:30 am
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Echoe86

Because they hate the principals and standards of God!! They don't believe in Him, true enough; but they DO hate the moral's the Bible teaches us. Even if they KNEW he existed, they would still hate Him because they don't like Him, nor the rules and regulations He wants them to follow. They want to do WHATEVER they want; without restrictions or limitations from Him nor anyone else. THIS is exactly what caused the original rebellion against Him, often referred to as "Satan's Rebellion" even before the garden of Eden. But it was NOT just Satan's rebellion, it was God's children rebelling against Him and Lucifer was the leader!! They are doing the EXACT same thing now!!

myfather15
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myfather15 09/25/13 - 11:39 am
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Walter

Your last comment is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. In YOUR opinion, I treat them as second class citizens. But I couldn't possibly care less about YOUR opinion. I will NOT choose YOUR opinion over GOD'S!! I will choose NO MAN's opinion over God's. God COULD have created reproduction ANY way He wanted, and He did so and it doesn't include homosexuality having that ability; therefore it goes against HIS nature!! The Bible also tells it's an abomination to HIM!!

Now, as far as Christ is concern and the fact he never spoke against it. When people would ask him numerous questions; what was his answer? "Have ye not read?" Referring to the Old Testament!! Because the saducees and pharisees were always trying to trip him up and get him to contradict the Old Testament.

For example; that would be like you going to work for a new company and during orientation, receiving a policy manual.

Then, 3 years after you've been working there, EVERY DAY you are going to the boss asking him if you can do this or that, or if this is allowed or not. The Boss will eventually get tired of this and probably say "Have you NOT read the policy and procedure manual?" He would probably tell to to "GO READ IT."

This is EXACTLY what Christ was teaching!! You want to know how he feels about homosexuality?? Have you not read? Go read it!!

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