Why oppose voter photo ID?

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Photo voter ID laws are treated by liberal media as sinister schemes advocated by right-wing extremists to deny the elderly, poor and minorities voter access.

Another charge against photo IDs is that it is difficult for elderly, poor or minorities to travel to obtain this ID. I am required to show photo ID to receive medical care. How can these “denied” voters from rural areas with no medical care in their areas travel to Augusta’s medical facilities for treatment but can’t arrange travel to obtain burdensome free photo ID?

Critics of photo ID requirements say these are not needed by these voters since they don’t have bank accounts; they have no vehicles, so they don’t need drivers’ licenses; they don’t rent cars, don’t go to hotels and don’t get on planes or ships or apply for passports. This “denied” group must be healthy since they apparently never need medical services, although many are elderly.

Should the American Civil Liberties Union sue all medical facilities as being discriminatory for requiring the insidious and burdensome requirement of a photo ID?

Jean Bowles

Augusta

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KSL
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KSL 09/23/13 - 01:04 am
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It is ridiculous to say it is

It is ridiculous to say it is an imposition to have to provide a picture ID in this day and age.

jkline
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jkline 09/23/13 - 03:04 am
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Shades of East Germany

When I was a boy, one of the things that our teachers used to show the difference between life in America and the Free World, and life behind the Iron Curtain, was that people behind the Iron Curtain always had to carry their "papers" to identify them to the police. Since we lived in a free country, we did not have to do that, and that was one of the things that made our country better. That was the lesson that our teachers tried to convey to us.

Now, it seems, we are becoming what we used to feel superior to.

I oppose absolutely any mandatory government identity card. Drivers' licenses have already gone too far down this road. America should not be like East Germany, where the policeman can walk up to anyone and say "show me your papers."

scoobynews
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scoobynews 09/23/13 - 05:19 am
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Really?

Comparing today's world to communism?? Now that is ridiculous. I have never had a policeman just walk up to me and ask for my drivers license. A little paranoid are we?

Dixieman
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Dixieman 09/23/13 - 05:49 am
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I would post a response here

but I forgot my ID card this morning so am not allowed to.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/23/13 - 06:23 am
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Two Issues

You should have to prove who you are if you want to vote and that means photo ID. On the other hand, if you just want to walk around, you shouldn't be required to carry ID.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 09/23/13 - 06:27 am
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Picture ID is there when needed.

We hear a lot Political Bull about requiring Valid Photo ID to vote from the Extreme LIBERALS, but why not other situations?

When we that nut job that wanted on WSB and raided a school. The child were placed on a buses and would not be released without a parent and a Picture ID., No whining then was there?

When a person applies for SS Disability, no whining then?

When a person applies for Aid to Dependent Children, no whining then?

When a person applies for Section 8 help, no whining then?

When a person applies for EBT, free phones, Medicare, Medicaid, a Job, drivers license, social security, ss ID, etc.etc.etc... no whining then?

When a person cashes a check, gets cablevision, lights, gas and etc... no whining then?

Why is it only a ID to Voter and verify they are the voter that upsets them?

Could it be like that bus from NY that pulled up in McDuffie Co. back in 2007 with 40+ people with modified and printed local utility bills?
Demanding the right to vote certain names?

Could it be like the voter hacks that surf nursing homes before elections and sign up comatose patients.

Could it be like those people that try to vote for their family members?

Voter ID protects the Vote, otherwise some voter thief could show up, vote as me, steal my right to vote by voting as me.

I can see why Extreme LIBERALS in what is becoming the USSA, do not want VOTER ID in place to protect the vote.

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deestafford 09/23/13 - 06:50 am
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If I were one of the residents of the liberal plantation

and heard the excuses why I should not have a photo ID to vote I'd be insulted because I would think they were saying I was too stupid, too lazy, and too incompetent to obtain a photo ID. Of course, if I were not any of those I would not reside on the liberal plantation to start with.

By the way, where were all the yells of protest when one had to show a photo ID to get a James Brown turkey? "I'll show one to get my free food but don't make me show one to vote to decide who the representatives who make our country's laws."

Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/23/13 - 07:05 am
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Ooops, wrong thread

Ooops, wrong thread.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 09/23/13 - 07:04 am
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the democrats think only two groups are incapable

of being responsible enough to have a valid id
and the other group is children

justthefacts
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justthefacts 09/23/13 - 07:29 am
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Happy to say

I'm glad no one goes around, claiming to represent me, and telling everyone I am too stupid to get an ID card.

oldredneckman96
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oldredneckman96 09/23/13 - 07:51 am
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Eye Dee
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Every one, well almost, has a fingerprint, a face and a many more (but more complex) ways to be identified. We have electronics that can read and identify a person by a fingerprint or face. This will stop people from voting more than once and it will ID criminals, so for that reason it will never be allowed by the Obamas of this country!

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 09/23/13 - 07:54 am
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How do the poll workers keep up with you

Couldnt you just vote as many times as you wanted without an ID?

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 09/23/13 - 08:09 am
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Its all about the extreme

Its all about the extreme leftists having the ability to cast more than one vote. How do you think obama got re-elected? Duh! Leftists will do anything to get their way, even if it means shutting down the government.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/23/13 - 08:14 am
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No Photo ID

Voter ID shouldn’t be required. If you walk in and shake hands with the poll workers, tell them you know Pastor so and so or are related to that old woman everyone knows it should be good enough. Things such as felons not being allowed to vote should not be considered if over 25% of the community is comprised of felons. You should also be allowed to vote twice if you tell them Aunt Anna Belle is sick and told you to come down and vote for her. If a relative died in the past two years a vote for him should be allowed, too.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 09/23/13 - 08:17 am
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ID

Hmm, the very people who the discrimination claims are for, are the ones who use ID's daily to buy their Rolling Papers, Cigars, Cigarettes, Lottery Tickets and 40's!!!!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/23/13 - 08:17 am
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Requiring people to have a

Requiring people to have a voter ID would be like requiring people to have health insurance. Oh goodness we can't have that.

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jimmymac 09/23/13 - 08:45 am
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NOCNOC
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You've hit the nail on the head. Every item you listed is a fact and dem's know it. There's no reason to oppose voter id except to allow fraud. The dem's know that every illegal vote is one that is cast for them and they want to keep em coming.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 09/23/13 - 08:50 am
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There was a joke post here, during the last 2011 election cycle

about letting the dead continue to vote because they have state residency (a grave) and then the politicians could figure out a way to TAX Dead people.

OJP
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OJP 09/23/13 - 09:36 am
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The opposition stems from a belief that such legislation is

proposed primarily - if not solely - as a political tactic. As the right to vote has been ruled to be a fundamental right by the SCOTUS, proponents of such legislation should, at a minimum, fully document a substantial voter fraud problem that will be cured by such legislation. Also, any such legislation should provide funding for free ID cards to be delivered via mail or in person to anyone who requests them.

If the legislation is being proposed in good faith (and not as a political tactic), both of those concerns should not only also be concerns of those proposing the legislation, but should be addressed in full.

GnipGnop
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GnipGnop 09/23/13 - 09:38 am
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Whats the big deal...

I have voted in every major election since 84 and have always been asked to show ID. Methinks thou doth protest too much...

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 09/23/13 - 10:22 am
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It's merely
Unpublished

an entitlement product of the civil rights act of 1964, voting rights act of 1965 and affirmative action which basically states if you are too lazy to do something, just cry, whine and say its da "white crackas" fault massa holda. I'sa don'ts wants ta hafta does this.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/23/13 - 10:31 am
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Fraud

OJP says the state should document some "substantial" voter fraud before writing ID laws. But "substantial" is subjective. We should not write subjective laws, but rather laws that provide equal treatment. I would say that the state has a compelling interest in preventing fraud of all kinds as a matter of law and order. Voter fraud or financial fraud; both need to be curtailed for a civilized society.

OJP also says that voter ID laws should provide for free voter I.D. He will be pleased to know that both the Georgia and the South Carolina laws do indeed provide such free I.D.

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allhans 09/23/13 - 10:51 am
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"voter suppression" the dems

"voter suppression" the dems scream....It sounds so good they keep repeating it.....
Apparently the voters don't mind being labelled stupid.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/23/13 - 11:06 am
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OJPHere's your
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OJP

Here's your fraud.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/05/30/poll-worker-who-voted-for-obama-m...

This stuff is EASY to find. And since when do you need to document "substantial fraud" before you can enact a law? When Clinton enacted his assault weapons ban, there wasn't substantial bayonet attacks, but he banned them none the less.

Not to mention, how would you know how much fraud is being committed if you are making NO effort to prevent it in the first place?

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itsanotherday1 09/23/13 - 11:16 am
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It still just boggles my mind

It still just boggles my mind to know that people oppose having voters prove who they say they are. One of the most serious civic activities a citizen will ever participate in, and they want that citizen to cast a vote without any evidence they are who they claim to be.

As was alluded to in the LTE, with the voters the left are most concerned about, virtually all avail themselves of social or commercial services of some type or another, and those services require positive ID.

I wonder if there are any accurate estimates of voter age CITIZENS without a Gov issued ID of one sort or another. That number has to be miniscule.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 09/23/13 - 11:18 am
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free ID cards

"legislation should provide funding for free ID cards to be delivered via mail or in person to anyone who requests them"
Apparently you didn't read the article about people getting 3,4 and more Obamaphones.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 09/23/13 - 11:19 am
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Do you know why they don't

Do you know why they don't want to have to show ID? Well they don't either. They just say that because their Welfare Masters and their "leaders" who make a living perpetuating hysteria tell them to.

They will HAVE to show ID to get the Obamacare freebie 'cause the doctors and hospitals won't treat them without ID. Might as well trot on down and get one.

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deestafford 09/23/13 - 11:39 am
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OJP, You are incorrect.

The SCOTUS ruled there is NO right to vote in federal elections in the US Constitution. As a matter of fact, Jessie Jackson, Jr had introduced legislation to have a law passed guaranteeing that as a right.

OJP
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OJP 09/23/13 - 11:40 am
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@LittleLamb:

If you have a problem with legislation/jurisprudence that relies upon the definition of the term "substantial", then I got news for you: You have a problem with quite a bit of federal and state law. That is a term of art in the legal field and it isn't as troublesome as you might think.

@HumbleAngela: One instance of fraud does not equate to systemic problem. Here are a few articles which claim that the type of voter fraud an ID would prevent simply does not happen often:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fraud

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/story?id=17213376

If we are going to burden a fundamental American right, we better have a good reason to do so. And as proponents of such legislation are the ones seeking to burden a right, the burden is on them to prove that there is a problem that needs to (and will be) fixed. By way of analogy, I'm sure you agree that the right to bear arms shouldn't necessarily be restricted because a handful of people abuse it.

It really is quite simple: Voting is a fundamental right. It should not be restricted without good reason. If there is a good reason to restrict it, prove it.

OJP
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OJP 09/23/13 - 11:46 am
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@deestafford:

No, I'm not. You misread what I posted. The SCOTUS has ruled that the right to vote is a fundamental right. I said nothing about a federal right to vote.

As an aside, I'm constantly amazed at how willingly some people are in this country - the United States of America - to argue that the right to vote is somehow not that important.

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