Science isn't solid, either

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Jeff Miller (“Science is mankind’s savior,” Aug. 21) does believe he has a savior and it is science. I wonder if Miller knows how something is proved scientifically, because a number of scientific facts haven’t passed the hypothesis (best guess) stage. I don’t think science has yet to fully explain gravity, and as for humility (and truthfulness), Albert Einstein didn’t like the fact that the universe is expanding, so he used a “fudge factor” to accommodate the fact. He later recanted.

It’s true that all Christians need to study more, but there also are some pretty dumb skeptics and atheists who cherry-pick their responses. Evidence is very critical in any investigation, and eyewitness reports, historical and geographic accuracy and archeological discoveries strongly support the Bible. The point that several cultures reported on a great flood does not constitute plagiarism because of who wrote first, but it does indicate consensus.

Morality and ethics have been the study of greater minds than Miller’s or mine, and his statement that his morality comes from a very close circle of acquaintances is rather frightening – as Walter Lippman said: “Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.” How does Miller respond to individuals’ morals and ethics that conflict with – or just come from different sources than – his? Are they just medieval something-or-others?

Women did have significant roles in the Bible: in the Old (Hebrew) Testament, Deborah was a judge in Israel, and Esther saved her people from annihilation. In the New (Christian) Testament, Lydia of Thyatira was a businesswoman who had a house church. Non-Christian Pliny the Younger, governor of Bithynia, tortured two Christian women who were called deaconesses. The women were slaves, and that indicated their position in life had nothing to do with their status in the church.

Paul told husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave His life for it.

James Wertz

Evans

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Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/26/13 - 10:08 pm
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No a theory isn't a fact.

No a theory isn't a fact. Facts can support a theory but in science you don't "prove" a theory like a math theorem nor does it mean it is a fact. That isn't how the process works. Black holes were once only theoretical myths yet now we find them all over the universe. The theories were supported by evidence but we keep exploring gathering new evidence so what we know of black holes will likely change and cosmological theories will likely be modified. A comprehensive explanation with a large bodies of evidence just means the theory is supported-not it is a fact. Facts support a theory but it doesn't mean the theory is a fact-that's too restrictive for a theory. A theory has to give rise to new ideas and encompass new information. Like these new large genome viruses are upsetting the Tree of LIfe and what we think constitutes life-is the cell the basic unit of life? With viruses ability to transfect cells with their genes which is called horizontal gene transfer this has huge evolutionary implications because genes jumping across species and massive gene flow plays havoc with the notion of natural selection where gene selection and gene mutations are the players. Evolution theory has changed drastically from Darwin through the Modern Synthesis and a gene-centric view to now a more hierarchal broader explanation at multiple levels of selection. Likely the theory of gravitation will change soon too.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 08/27/13 - 04:01 am
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ICL, if you were a woman I

ICL, if you were a woman I would tell you that you are shameful, and that your husband will explain it all to you when you get home. If you are a man, then I will merely tell you that you completely fail to grasp the enormity of the treatment of women in the Old and New Testament. Servant. Submissive. Do not Speak. Stay Silent. Let your man explain it to you at home. Be to your husband the way his slaves are. It goes on and on and on, and any amount of explaining the LITERAL text will fail, because the SPIRIT of the text says it all. In the literal Bible, women are second class citizens by intent, and any child who spent enough time reading the bible would see this.

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myfather15 08/27/13 - 04:25 am
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Bodhisattva

First of all, I don't believe the flood was world wide!! I believe it was for a specific purpose and targeted for that general area. I beleive the flood was to destroy the nephilim and it was only needed in that area. I realize many of my Christian friends would disagree, so be it!!

Also, I do believe the Bible said for Noah to take two of each FLESH!! Which would include two humans of every race as well; which would mean more people on board.

You've allowed the LIES taught by Traditions of MAN to deceive you and make you a Christian HATER!!! There are MANY lies taught through traditions of man (Such as 6,000 years); which is exactly why I don't trust MANKIND, including SCIENCE, whose research is done by MEN!! Mankind will lie, cheat, steal, deceive, kill, and many more; for any number of reasons!! So you choose to place your trust in them? To me, it's insanity to trust mankind, when they've PROVEN themselves untrustworthy!!!

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InChristLove 08/27/13 - 04:57 am
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WBC "any child who spent

WBC "any child who spent enough time reading the bible would see this."

That's just my point, you are reading and forming your own opinion as a child because you can not grow spiritually. When you want the real meat of the Word, then contact me. Until then, maybe since you like to read, you will take the time to read Proverbs 31 and see what the real Word truly says about the value of women.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 05:08 am
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"They are also taught
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"They are also taught heliocentric theory (the fact that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun). "

Really? The Earth does not revolve around the Sun? I'm so glad you set us straight on that......I'll have to take a closer look at your other theories.

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mrenee2003 08/27/13 - 05:38 am
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Bizkit@11:08 P.M.

For the most part I agree with what you said. Facts support theory. However, some theories are facts and are presented as such. Scientific theories such as cell theory and theory of plate tectonics are so well-established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. Most psychological theories are constantly evolving and changing as new evidence is collected so I rarely find a psychological theory presented as fact. Whereas most people are comfortable accepting cell theory as fact, it seems that some people believe that no new evidence is needed to support evolutionary theory as fact whereas others say it's unproven and should not be presented as fact. Theories (per the def by the National Academies of Science) can be proven. Evolutionary theory should be taught as fact. To be fair, teachers should point out that only 80% of the world's western population believe evolutionary theory to be fact. The other 20% (largely U.S. Republicans) do not.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 08/27/13 - 07:23 am
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Myfather15 "so be it", All I

Myfather15 "so be it", All I can say is God says what He means and means what He says.

I believe He meant He would destroy "all flesh" not just the nephilim. Genesis 6:13 "And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

I believe the whole earth was covered not just a particular region. Scripture says the mountains (or high hills) under the "whole heaven" were covered. Genesis 7: 19 "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered."

Also if you would please, can you provide scripture that formed your view that there were more humans than Noah and his family on the Ark. I see where scripture referring to "flesh" may give you this opinion but it you read all of chapter 6 and 7 in the King James version I believe it only a repetition, meaning male and female of God's creation and not meaning more mankind since Noah was the only righteous one God found. Why would God destroy the earth and keep the very sinfulness He wishes to wipe off the face of the earth.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 06:38 am
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"To be fair, teachers should
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"To be fair, teachers should point out that only 80% of the world's western population believe evolutionary theory to be fact. The other 20% (largely U.S. Republicans) do not."

Where's your source for these statistics. (I suspect that I already know.)

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 08/27/13 - 06:50 am
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Citation

One of many: http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

BTW, when you wrote "They have faith that there is no God, yet belittle those who have faith that their is," is wrong. The word is there, not their.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 07:17 am
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Your own link shows that you
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Your own link shows that you were way off with the 80% claim. And I would rather misuse one of two instances of "there" than claim that the Earth does not revolve around the sun. Just my opinion, but I'm sure you will take what you can get.

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David Parker 08/27/13 - 07:56 am
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Considering scores and

Considering scores and statistical data, and given the fact that I don't support public school system as it stands, I would suggest the teachers and admin focus solely on the 3 r's and leave the religion and political discussions for the parents to administer as they see fit. Anybody that wants something more than that has an agenda.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 08:10 am
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Seems that some need to learn
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Seems that some need to learn the difference between a theory and a theorem.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/27/13 - 08:35 am
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The National Academy makes

The National Academy makes this point of fact and theory for political points in communicating to the public, but if you read the debates there is a counter argument. Just people get confused with the semantics. The National Academy of Science (U.S.) makes a similar point:
Scientists most often use the word "fact" to describe an observation. But scientists can also use fact to mean something that has been tested or observed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing or looking for examples. The occurrence of evolution in this sense is fact. Scientists no longer question whether descent with modification occurred because the evidence is so strong. Some theories have such a huge body of evidence in support that it can be "assumed" to be treated as a fact. But it doesn't mean it is fact. As a researcher you assume things to be fact but then also step out of the box and say what if. What if the "central dogma" isn't all there is? Which prions break the rule.
All bacteria lack a nucleus or organelles is taught in every basic biology text book, but that is blatantly false. There is a species with a nuclear structure and all bacteria do contain specialized organelles-just different from eukaryotes. We can say that the cell is the basic unit on earth as biologist (although viruses are problematic) but an astrobiologist wouldn't be restricted by that definition of life and it would still be theoretical.

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Bizkit 08/27/13 - 08:48 am
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60% of Americans question

60% of Americans question evolution-that has to include folks from any ideology. I hold biologist in contempt for not communicating evolution better and kudos to physicist who seem to be doing a better job of communicating complex ideas. Sadly some scientist let their personal views jade a moment to educate-like Dawkins does an excellent job of dismissing creationism but his attacks of fundamentalist christians does nothing but polarize the issue-and he ticked off lots of scientist who were of faith too. Why conflate faith and science? It is like saying there are no evolutionary biologist who are christian-which is ridiculous.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/27/13 - 09:17 am
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The National Academy of

The National Academy of Sciences, because now is over 90% atheist, is becoming like the Bright's movement in UK supporting humanism (Dawkin's is a front man for the movement). In 2010 when the National Academy of Science meeting was the platform for the Templeton Prize award (which is a 1.5 million spiritual award) announcement the members went ballistic because of their personal vendetta against faiths like Dawkins. You wouldn't believe the grief I've gotten becoming a Christian so late in life after years of being a productive scientist-like I went from genius to imbecile. Still the same person just discovered a spiritual side I never knew I had-I evolved. hee,hee,hee.

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t3bledsoe 08/27/13 - 11:24 am
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Theory

I still don't understand how something that is what everyone agrees that it is CAN STILL be a theory? If you don't consider reproduction and the Earth's orbit as PROVEN FACTS, then you can get by; by saying EVERYTHING is a theory!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/27/13 - 11:28 am
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Speaking of Syria

I believe if The U.S. gets the approval of the majority of the allies, then The U.S. should fire missiles and create a no-fly-zone. Isn't the use of chemical weapons against The Geneva Convention Agreement?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 11:59 am
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1: Syria didn't sign the
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1: Syria didn't sign the Geneva Convention agreement.

2: At one time everyone agreed that all the gods lived on Olympus, but that didn't make it a fact. Popularity does not equate to truth.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 12:59 pm
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Just curious. Why does the
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Just curious. Why does the approval of the majority of the allies matter? Either firing missiles and creating no fly zones is the right thing to do, or it is not........ similarly, popularity does not equate to moral either.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/27/13 - 01:00 pm
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Retraction.....Syria DID sign
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Retraction.....Syria DID sign the Geneva Conventions Accord. Well willing to admit when I'm wrong.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/27/13 - 01:30 pm
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The Geneva Convention is as

The Geneva Convention is as useless as breasts on a bull. Reminds me of the British lining up in proper fashion just to be cut down by guerrilla warfare. Why are people suddenly worried about Saddams WMD in Syria being used when they demonized Bush for going after these for similar fears? Is this Obama's Iraq-seems to be with talk of a coalition, etc. I want to hear how progressives are going to support Obama with any efforts in Syria.

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