Science isn't solid, either

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Jeff Miller (“Science is mankind’s savior,” Aug. 21) does believe he has a savior and it is science. I wonder if Miller knows how something is proved scientifically, because a number of scientific facts haven’t passed the hypothesis (best guess) stage. I don’t think science has yet to fully explain gravity, and as for humility (and truthfulness), Albert Einstein didn’t like the fact that the universe is expanding, so he used a “fudge factor” to accommodate the fact. He later recanted.

It’s true that all Christians need to study more, but there also are some pretty dumb skeptics and atheists who cherry-pick their responses. Evidence is very critical in any investigation, and eyewitness reports, historical and geographic accuracy and archeological discoveries strongly support the Bible. The point that several cultures reported on a great flood does not constitute plagiarism because of who wrote first, but it does indicate consensus.

Morality and ethics have been the study of greater minds than Miller’s or mine, and his statement that his morality comes from a very close circle of acquaintances is rather frightening – as Walter Lippman said: “Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.” How does Miller respond to individuals’ morals and ethics that conflict with – or just come from different sources than – his? Are they just medieval something-or-others?

Women did have significant roles in the Bible: in the Old (Hebrew) Testament, Deborah was a judge in Israel, and Esther saved her people from annihilation. In the New (Christian) Testament, Lydia of Thyatira was a businesswoman who had a house church. Non-Christian Pliny the Younger, governor of Bithynia, tortured two Christian women who were called deaconesses. The women were slaves, and that indicated their position in life had nothing to do with their status in the church.

Paul told husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave His life for it.

James Wertz

Evans

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Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/26/13 - 12:16 pm
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Paul used women in his

Paul used women in his ministry all the time the incident in question is a specific reference to those particular women. Now within the church how Timothy is translated varies creating two camps-one forbidding women to be clergy and the other not. It isn't a simple issue even for christians. But really who cares what Paul says-Christ is the final authority and he treated women with respect-as the Sumerian women at the well- during a time when men wouldn't even directly address a woman. I've never read that women are denied the Holy Spirit or are second class citizens in the hereafter. Seems to me women have been the back bone of the church for decades if not centuries.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/26/13 - 12:28 pm
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You can cherry-pick

You can cherry-pick quotations of various scientist out of context too that because various scientist have specific issues with various aspects of evolution theory and have questioned that specific issue that they question all of evolution too. Which isn't the case. Like Stephen Gould argued against Richard Dawkins, science and religion address two different domains. You don't have to believe in either and both could still have an impact on you. War in the Middle east has a lot to do with religion, how we kill each other has a lot to do with science. An Islamic fundamentalist terrorist could use a weapon of mass destruction bringing both religion and science home to person who believed in neither. Both affect our lives daily-even 55% of physicians state their faith impacts their practice of medicine. You can deny one or the other but it is difficult to escape either.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 12:44 pm
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Quote from LTE

"I wonder if Miller knows how something is proved scientifically, because a number of scientific facts haven’t passed the hypothesis (best guess) stage"

OOOK ! How do you argue with Carbon-14 dating ?! The last time Carbon-14 dating was performed on The Schroud of Turin in indicated The Schroud was only 7 to 8 hundred years old.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 08/26/13 - 12:50 pm
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t3-you make statements that

t3-you make statements that people cant get over the science in the bible..to believe in it..yet we are told all of this evolved from an amoeba type creature that lived in a prehistoric slime that somehow spontaenous came to life..have you ever read anything from the creation sceintfic inst.....b/4 you dismiss evidence that suggest a creator perhaps all you skeptics need to examine both sides...i have..i was an evolutionist b/4 i saw a debate between a creationist and an evolutionist..it was an eye opener

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 12:58 pm
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"Atheism- the belief that
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"Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs. "

And atheists mock the religious.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 12:59 pm
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"It’s true that all Christians need to study more"

Young; school age; people get so wrapped up in scientific studies as a result of going to public schools, that many can't take the time nor the conflict of information to study The Bible !

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:03 pm
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HA @ 12:58

I agree 100%, BUT to play devil's advocate, can't you see where sooo many people, most noteably young people, get their atheist beliefs ?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:06 pm
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Percentage

Question: what percentage of atheists and agnostic believers can be blamed on public schools ?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:10 pm
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"can't you see where sooo
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"can't you see where sooo many people, most noteably young people, get their atheist beliefs ?"

Yeah... From pseudo-intellectual public school teachers and professors.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:22 pm
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HA @ 1:10

"Yeah... From pseudo-intellectual public school teachers and professors."

YES, but these teachers are either bound to the teaching of science and / or truly believe it themselves.

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jimmymac 08/26/13 - 01:24 pm
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SCIENCE VS. BIBLE
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I don't know if the bible is true but I've never seen any definitive proof that it isn't either. Why can't liberals allow people to just believe what they want to believe? Why is it necessary to force everyone to get in lock step with your line of thinking? America is a free country founded on religious principles and nobody is forcing it down your throat. It would be different if it was a muslim country and people would kill you for not being a muslim.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:28 pm
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"YES, but these teachers are
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"YES, but these teachers are either bound to the teaching of science and / or truly believe it themselves."

Since when? Have you monitored a public school class lately?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:28 pm
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jimmymac @ 1:24

"Why can't liberals allow people to just believe what they want to believe?"

WHY HAS IT ALWAYS got to be the liberals ?! ALL conservatives must think we have a devil's costume under our beds !

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:28 pm
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"Why can't liberals allow
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"Why can't liberals allow people to just believe what they want to believe? Why is it necessary to force everyone to get in lock step with your line of thinking?"

Because liberal, atheists are some of the most intolerant people on Earth.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:29 pm
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Let's see that really long
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Let's see that really long list of conservative atheists.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:30 pm
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HA @ 1:28

"Since when? Have you monitored a public school class lately?"

I happen to be a fine example of what public schools can do !!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:33 pm
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HA @ 1:29

"Let's see that really long list of conservative atheists."

ARE YOU trying to make us liberals angry ?

jimmymac
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jimmymac 08/26/13 - 01:33 pm
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t3bledsoe
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You're right! I'm wrong to label every liberal in this manner it's just that so many espouse the destruction of religion for some unexplained reason. One need look no further than to go to any school classroom where the mention of God is considered a hate crime. If you're offended try and get some of your lib friends to lighten up and become more tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

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Little Lamb 08/26/13 - 01:35 pm
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Old Cloth

T3 posted:

The last time Carbon-14 dating was performed on The Schroud of Turin in indicated The Schroud was only 7 to 8 hundred years old.

That's pretty old for a piece of cloth!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:36 pm
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"I happen to be a fine
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"I happen to be a fine example of what public schools can do !!"

Are you trying to prove my point? By the way, you STILL only need one space between the last word and the punctuation in a sentence.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:38 pm
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jimmymac @ 1:33

"If you're offended try and get some of your lib friends to lighten up and become more tolerant of other peoples beliefs"

You are most probably correct in suggesting that most agnostics and atheists are liberals.

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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:43 pm
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HA @ 1:36

"Are you trying to prove my point? By the way, you STILL only need one space between the last word and the punctuation in a sentence"

Thank-you for the punctuation leason. I guess that was a lesson I didn't do so well in. Talking about PROOF, isn't that what you always ask for?

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WalterBradfordCannon 08/26/13 - 01:46 pm
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bizkit, I agree wrt Jesus and

bizkit, I agree wrt Jesus and his treatment of women. However, if scripture is infallible, Paul is on the record, MANY TIMES, that women should keep silence in church, and that the relation between a wife and husband should be that the wife is a slave - just as a slave's relationship to the man of the house, or the relation from the man of the house to God. Slaves. @myfather15 is fond of misinterpreting this point, but Paul was clear, and redundant, and used multiple different Greek words to make the same point.

Science? Infallible? Hardly. It is a repetitive process that yields truth with increasing conviction over time, and it bases this conviction on reliability and reproducibility. The Bible will continue to say the same thing, irrespective of how much new information science uncovers. Any person who feels that science is a threat to religion is quite small-minded. Science is only a process for discovering physical truths. Religion is far greater than that - but one must rely more on the spirit of the scriptures than their physical misinterpretations.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:47 pm
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When someone states something
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When someone states something is a fact, I ask for proof. When someone states that something is their faith, no proof is required. Atheists miss this quite often. They have faith that there is no God, yet belittle those who have faith that their is. Neither side can be proven, yet many atheists and pseudo-intellectuals (often one and the same) seem to insist that THEIR faith is fact.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:48 pm
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LL @ 1:35

"That's pretty old for a piece of cloth!"

So, do you believe that this shroud was Jesus's burial wrap?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:48 pm
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Paul is NOT Jesus either,
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Paul is NOT Jesus either, WalterBradfordCannon. He's a man.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:49 pm
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"So, do you believe that this
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"So, do you believe that this shroud was Jesus's burial wrap?"

Probably not.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 01:50 pm
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WalterBradfordCannon, I want
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WalterBradfordCannon, I want to thank you for using the word irrespective, instead of the no-existent, yet oft used word "irregardless."

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 01:52 pm
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HA @ 1:47

"When someone states something is a fact, I ask for proof. When someone states that something is their faith, no proof is required."

AND WE ALL know your NEED for proof! I am just kidding, you are right.

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David Parker 08/26/13 - 02:05 pm
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Indoctrinating kids in the

Indoctrinating kids in the public schools and parents only providing them w/ selective info is what made "Murika" great. Said nobody ever.

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