Science isn't solid, either

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Jeff Miller (“Science is mankind’s savior,” Aug. 21) does believe he has a savior and it is science. I wonder if Miller knows how something is proved scientifically, because a number of scientific facts haven’t passed the hypothesis (best guess) stage. I don’t think science has yet to fully explain gravity, and as for humility (and truthfulness), Albert Einstein didn’t like the fact that the universe is expanding, so he used a “fudge factor” to accommodate the fact. He later recanted.

It’s true that all Christians need to study more, but there also are some pretty dumb skeptics and atheists who cherry-pick their responses. Evidence is very critical in any investigation, and eyewitness reports, historical and geographic accuracy and archeological discoveries strongly support the Bible. The point that several cultures reported on a great flood does not constitute plagiarism because of who wrote first, but it does indicate consensus.

Morality and ethics have been the study of greater minds than Miller’s or mine, and his statement that his morality comes from a very close circle of acquaintances is rather frightening – as Walter Lippman said: “Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.” How does Miller respond to individuals’ morals and ethics that conflict with – or just come from different sources than – his? Are they just medieval something-or-others?

Women did have significant roles in the Bible: in the Old (Hebrew) Testament, Deborah was a judge in Israel, and Esther saved her people from annihilation. In the New (Christian) Testament, Lydia of Thyatira was a businesswoman who had a house church. Non-Christian Pliny the Younger, governor of Bithynia, tortured two Christian women who were called deaconesses. The women were slaves, and that indicated their position in life had nothing to do with their status in the church.

Paul told husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave His life for it.

James Wertz

Evans

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soldout
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soldout 08/26/13 - 05:22 am
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good letter James

Jesus honored women in many ways. If you run all the supposed truth you hear through your Bible filter you can tell real truth. Remember a fact is a fact whether science can prove it or not and the truth is the truth no matter who says it. Man is not and never has been the standard for anything. Medical science changes almost completely every 50 years as it relates to many things including the source of disease.

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myfather15 08/26/13 - 05:56 am
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I've stated before; many

I've stated before; many people speak out of ignorance of the Bible!! They place all their trust in MEN; then openly denounce the Bible, without knowledge.

As I pointed out during the last debate on this topic. People who WANT to know; need to get a Strong's Concordance and look up the words ORIGINAL meaning in the Hebrew or Greek. People who couldn't care less, and INTENTIONALLY want to spew lies about the Bible? Well, don't worry about it, why waste your time!!

Simple example is where the Bible says women should be silent in Church. The actual word meant to refrain from being a busybody or to NOT GOSSIP in Church!!! That is solid advice!! Gossip has RUINED many churches!! It shouldn't be tolerated in Church, period!!! Church is a place to LEARN; not talk about what your neighbors are doing!!

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corgimom 08/26/13 - 06:17 am
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You have to love someone who

You have to love someone who thinks they have the right to interpret the Bible for you and tell grown adults how they should behave in church. Thanks, myfather, but I'm fully aware of how to properly conduct myself at a church, and I think the rest of us know, too.

However, I've seen plenty of MEN gossiping in church, too. I guess that's different.

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Bodhisattva 08/26/13 - 06:37 am
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The book is true. How do you

The book is true. How do you know? The book says so. Scientists do get it wrong at times. They keep doing research, keep experimenting, and keep going through the evidence until they have the answer. The same can't be said for those who follow a literal translation of the Bible. Let's just use one example. Yes, many cultures have a flood story. The same many cultures that allegedly would have been wiped out and not existed if a literal translation were true. Since science shows there isn't enough water on the earth, in the earth, or in the atmosphere to flood the entire planet on the scale mentioned, so scientists, geologists, and others come up with other theories (possibly the Bosphorus Straight/Black Sea scenario-iffy for sure) that are dismissed immediately because it can only be literal. A boat, larger than any wooden boat in history standing up to the stress, holding 2 (or seven) of every creature and food supply (lion-meat, panda-bamboo, koala-eucalyptus, plus that long swim from Australia). Eight people would have stayed busy feeding and on poop patrol. It's physically impossible. It's folk tales, not science and not history. Hucksters like Hovind and Comfort make a living selling this bunk to people who think science is a dirty word. We've had a major Presidential candidate from one of the parties (R) decrying science and ridiculing education with others in the party not far removed. These folks should be laughed off the stage. In any other first world country they would be. And we want to lead the world in science and technology? Sure, just as long as it doesn't conflict with our 6,000 year old superstitions.

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TrukinRanger 08/26/13 - 06:40 am
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More gobblity-gook. The
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More gobblity-gook. The bible is a mixture of mouth to mouth events molded to get the weak minded to do as they're told mixed in with some historical (or geographical) events.

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Jason Hasty 08/26/13 - 06:45 am
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What is interesting to me is

What is interesting to me is that believers in Jesus Christ are thw only ones who claim a savior who rose from the dead. Not to mention those who died rather than renounce their faith. There is only One who can back up that claim.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 07:16 am
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"These folks should be
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"These folks should be laughed off the stage."

Just like the ones who said we would be in an Ice Age by now.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/26/13 - 07:55 am
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5:56

Apparently myfather hit a little too close to home. A hit dog will hollar.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 08/26/13 - 08:15 am
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JTF

I agree!

seenitB4
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seenitB4 08/26/13 - 08:31 am
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Well come on

Men do gossip too. :)

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Bruce Garner 08/26/13 - 08:37 am
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Science isn't solid either?

I often marvel at how defensive many of my fellow Christians get when it comes to science and technology. I have a degree in biology and yet I have no problem believing in both evolution and the Bible narratives (there are two) about creation. For me it is not a difficult combination. God (or whatever name someone uses for the supreme power in the universe) began creation. Evolution is merely the mechanism God has and continues to use.

There are thousands of years of knowledge about our universe, mostly our own solar system, that the scribes of Scripture did not have. They described what was taking place in terms they understood. That doesn't mean their terms will always have meaning to future generations nor that their terms adequately described the entire picture. Again, that is not important. The important issue is that they did commit the oral narratives to written narratives. At a church council around 400AD, the current canon of Scripture was adopted by vote as what we call the Bible. Not all of the available narratives were voted in; some were also included for study but not doctrine.

I don't really care HOW creation took place. What is more important to me is that it DID take place and somehow at the will and hand of God. Similarly, I can say the Nicene Creed and not cross my fingers. I do not care how creation, the virgin birth of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus or the sending of the Holy Spirit took place. All I am interested in is that all those things DID take place.

Those who are so quick to discredit scientific knowledge might want to look around and see, for example how many adults are walking around who were prematurely born and for whom medical science saved their lives when previous generations had no such resource. Look at electricity, the combustion engine, the telephone, even God help us, the cellular telephone! Only those with heavy blinders can find a way to discredit science.

Perhaps those who are so anti-science should stop driving a car, turn of all the electrical devices in their home, cook over an open fire using wood cut with an ax not a power saw, plow fields to raise their food using animals and a plow, not seek out a doctor when they are sick, etc. etc. etc.

God gave us a brain and we are told to worship God with all our heart and soul and strength and mind. We often forget to use the gift of cognitive reasoning. We insult God by not using the gifts we have been given.

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deestafford 08/26/13 - 09:03 am
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Ain't it kind of funny

how the more ''educated" man becomes the more truer the Bible becomes.

It's also funny how some of the misled "think" that just because you believe the Bible that you can't believe science. I've heard brain surgeons say that when they open up the skull and look at the marvel of what we call the brain, they think to themselves there is no way that marvel could have happened by chance. There had to be a Creator.

God gave man a brain so that he could explore, learn, and try to explain the world around him.

Some of the comments remind me of myself when I was young and thought I was so "smart". My Daddy had gone to only the eighth grade and was a general superintendent of construction at the Union Bag paper mill in Savannah. I had taken a course in engineering and wanted to show how smart I was so I posed a problem to him that dealt with where to place a fulcrum in order to balance out a load on a board. He thought for about a minute and gave the correct answer off the top of his head with no pencil, paper or slide rule as I had used. To me, that is the way some who cherry pick parts of the Bible without understanding the historical context or culture of the situation are.

Maybe, just maybe, God has set it up in such a way that man makes these scientific "discoveries" are made only when He believes man is ready to handle the knowledge. Of course, it takes a lot of faith to believe in something as unexplainable as God.

Man is so egotistical that in the late 1800s there was talk by the government that the Patent Office should be closed because everything that could be invented already had been.

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Bizkit 08/26/13 - 09:01 am
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The Catch 22 is both

The Catch 22 is both religions and science have evolved as adaptive memes in human evolution. You may not like either but they both exist for some adaptive purpose -at least according to evolution and that science. So to deny religions is anti-science. hee,hee,hee. How do you know any book is true???? Evidence that supports an idea, hypothesis, theory doesn't mean it is correct=just the evidence supports it. Science is always a transient snapshot of the consensus up to date, but it doesn't mean it is truth or correct. Like this new notion that diet, exercise, etc may have little to do with heart disease and it maybe gut flora. If studies keep supporting this then we will have spent decades treating the wrong end of the problem. LOL.

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pearlthesquirrel 08/26/13 - 09:03 am
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Just the facts ma'am.....just the facts.
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It's always interesting to me how the religious always "twist" the words to mean something other than what is written. If the bible said - "You are to spit on anybody that works at Wal-Mart on a Sunday"....they would say that "spit" means to "praise them," or "shake their hand," or "thank them for a job well done." The religious NEVER cease to amaze me. It's a good thing that letter got printed, because Augusta needs more of that - FACTS! When you have religion telling people the Earth is 6,000 years old or that man and dinosaurs walked the planet together - well, somebody has got to step up and get stuff straight. And if you don't think their are religious folks around here that think man and dinosaurs walked the planet at the same time or that the Earth is 6,000 years old, I suggest you call up or go to West Acres Baptist Church up by Evans High School - 'cause that's what they believe.

deestafford
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deestafford 08/26/13 - 09:19 am
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It would help if people understood

the differences in what we call scientific hypotheses, scientific theories, and scientific laws. There can be hypotheses and scientific theories that contradict the Bible; however, I know of no scientific laws which contradict the Bible.

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faithson 08/26/13 - 09:24 am
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thank you Bruce

the catch 22 in all this is pretty much exactly what Bruce brings to the table. The balance between Faith and Science in ones own life.

faithson
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faithson 08/26/13 - 09:25 am
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I think Galileo would beg to differ.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/26/13 - 09:33 am
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"I think Galileo would beg to
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"I think Galileo would beg to differ."

A statement based on faith....I love it.

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RMSHEFF 08/26/13 - 09:50 am
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Bod

I am always amazed at those that site examples of "physical impossibilities" such as "there is not enough water on earth to flood the entire earth or the Ark could not have survived a flood" as proof positive that the event could not have happened. God is not bound by physics because he created it. The God in your mind is a VERY small God. Jesus Raising Lazarus from the Dead after several days also defies physics. Any doctor would tell you this is not possible as are all the other miracles recorded in Scripture.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 08/26/13 - 09:54 am
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i look at all that we have

i look at all that we have technology wise etc...and then i am told that the amoeba billions of years ago got the ball rolling ...it all evolved into this...and we are told to put our faith in science to save mankind...you got to be kidding..do you realize how absurd that is????............................
reverence forthe LORD is the beginning of knowledge...

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/26/13 - 10:15 am
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The irony is Christianity and

The irony is Christianity and Islam both inspired many early scientist too-as many wrote in their papers how they thanked "God" or "Allah" for the inspiration-like Linnaeus did or Alhazen. Theodosius Dobzhansky one of the fathers of the Modern Synthesis was a devout orthodox catholic. Now we have Francis Collins of the Human Genome project. I don't understand why people make up an issue with all this. Religions aren't a myth-they exist. The beliefs of these faithful influences their daily lives and thus the world too-so it has a real impact as we see in the Middle East. Science is a systematic method to organize and expand knowledge using the scientific method to test predictions about our universe. Science isn't infallible as often wrong ideas are transiently proposed but the method addresses such errors and is self correcting through time. The myth is that the two are incompatible for anyone or everyone-the evidence indicates some support one or the other or both. People are talking past each other-evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. Creationism and Evolution don't address the same topic. The Bible is filled with examples of evolution. The flood myth is could be a metaphor for an evolutionary bottleneck that appeared to occur in human evolution where all humanity but fewer than 1000 survived to reproduce. The global flood maybe just a reference to a global event that wiped out most of humanity. They've recently discovered an underground ocean as large as the Arctic ocean underneath Asia-maybe that's where all the water went after the flood. hee,hee,hee.

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localguy55 08/26/13 - 11:00 am
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It is Faith not Science

It is faith not science that keeps us going, even if you don't believe in a surpreme God. The sun comes up and we do not think about the "what if it didn't" scenario. We take it on faith that it will. We hope for a better outcome to our lives. It is a lot like praying to God that goodness will follow us, but like doubting Thomas of the bible, some will doubt our Lord's existance. However, he is a forgiving God, not like man who can hold hate in his heart for a long time, God will forgive even the most staunch Atheist on his death bed if he ask forgoveness. That's what I would do if I were an Atheist before my last breath. What harm will it do? Call it insurance. . .

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mrenee2003 08/26/13 - 11:19 am
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Well said. I do think that scientists should do a better job of explaining why they do the science that they do and how it contributes to society. There is a huge disconnect. I recall Sarah Palin going on a rant about research with fruit flies when she was running for VP. Research with fruit flies is incredibly useful. I was stunned at her remarks considering her father was a science teacher. NIH is requiring researchers to make statements that clearly state how their research contributes to the common welfare, which I think is a good start.

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pearlthesquirrel 08/26/13 - 11:19 am
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Are you sure?
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A friend of mine once sent a letter to The Chronicle and they totally changed the title she had for her letter. So, how do you know that "Science is mankind's savior" was the title to the letter? It could have been "The Bible is hypocrisy," or "Why base your faith on this?," or "Can you answer my questions"......so just don't leap to a conclusion. I mean, The Chronicle wouldn't "manipulate" a letter, would it?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 11:27 am
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Big difference

I have always believed that the BIG difference in Bible teaching and the teaching of science IS EXACTLY why there are SOOO many agnostics. People confuse being an agnostic with being an athiest. There are people that WANT to believe in the Bible, BUT they can not get past the teachings of science! Many agnostics are willing to listen to Bible teachings and some even revert to religion.

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InChristLove 08/26/13 - 11:27 am
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(Bod) "It's physically

(Bod) "It's physically impossible. "

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 11:33 am
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I hope this isn't blasfamy !

"Paul told husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave His life for it."

Being a husband, "Quite OFTEN this is a MAJOR task that is frequently failed to follow through with !!"

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 11:40 am
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Quote from LTE

"Morality and ethics have been the study of greater minds than Miller’s or mine"

Here lately, "It seems as though NO ONE is thinking about these !" I wonder if quite a lot of this could be coming directly as a result of how Washington, DC is preceived ?!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/26/13 - 11:46 am
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Quote from LTE

"How does Miller respond to individuals’ morals and ethics that conflict with – or just come from different sources than – his?"

I see TWO bigger questions:

1.) Is there a diference between "good vs. evil" and "right vs. wrong"??

2.) Does one NECESSARILY have to get morals and ethics from Bible teachings ??

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David Parker 08/26/13 - 11:56 am
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So the point of the letter was to dispute the impression the bible gives of women being treated as property, raped, and enslaved. Difficult task when you consider that it's spelled out in words. The other main point offered is

but there also are some pretty dumb skeptics and atheists who cherry-pick their responses.

also just insightful as all get-out.

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