Can both stand ground?

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This letter is to all the legal eagles in our area in regard to the Stand Your Ground Law.

When the Trayvon Martin case first came to light, I had thought that both Martin and Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman could use the Stand Your Ground Law, as it
applied to both.

However during the trial I believed Zimmerman would be found guilty, as he was the stalker giving Martin the right to punch his lights out.

Was Martin given the right to protect himself under the law?

Michael Ferguson

Augusta

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mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/21/13 - 11:26 pm
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I didn't dispute the forensic evidence. The fact that the evidence suggests TM was over GZ when the gun was fired does not mean TM started the fight nor does it mean he was not horribly frightened and felt a need to defend himself against GZ. The law in Florida states that a person can use self-defense if he reasonably believed that force was "necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm" to himself. Perhaps that's what he felt but, who knows, because he is dead.

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KSL 07/21/13 - 11:59 pm
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You made an eccellent poiint. Trayvon did not call 911 at any point, did he? He took matters into his own hands. He did not call to say he was being followed by some weird person. But we do know he had access to a cell phone. If he was worried about a so-called stalker, why didn't he call? Bledsoe, burn, anybody?

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Riverman1 07/22/13 - 06:44 am
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Mrenee said, "The testimony

Mrenee said, "The testimony from the witnesses were inconsistent. It was my u/s that two said TM was on top of GZ and two that said GZ was on top of TM."

Thanks for getting back to the facts. The two witnesses who saw Z on top looked after the shot was fired. It is logical that Z would have pushed M off of him and been over him briefly. The PROSECUTION'S own witness saw M on top swinging down on Z. Another witness who saw them before the shot was fired also saw M on top. I mean is there even a serious question that M was beating Z? The injuries?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 07:36 am
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Validpoint....you keep saying
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Validpoint....you keep saying GZ is a liar. Tell us what lie he told and what evidence you have that he lied. Well be waiting..............(and I doubt we will get an answer.)

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 07:43 am
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Sure hope Mr. Ferguson never
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Sure hope Mr. Ferguson never is walking the same direction as someone, and they mistakenly think he's following them.......They could legally turn around and beat the daylights out of him. smh

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/22/13 - 07:52 am
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When Gun Was Drawn

It was stated above that Zimmerman probably pulled his gun before the fight started and to support that it was said it would be physically impossible to pull the gun from the holster while he was down. I see nothing so hard about pulling a gun from a holster while you are on the concrete. But you mean Martin was on top beating Zimmerman while he had a gun pointed at him? That is farfetched.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 07:53 am
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If Zimmerman had his gun
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If Zimmerman had his gun drawn in one hand, and his cellphone one one hand, and his flashlight in one hand.............oh wait.....who needs facts?

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 08:48 am
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He lied about his finances. Which if you bothered to actually investigate GZ, you would have known. In fact, his bail was revoked because of his lie. Furthermore, his wife was arrested for perjury for lying about their finances when she claimed that they were indigent when, in fact, they had over $135,000 in an account. They lied to the court, which means they are liars and stupid. What's farfetched is that "he was pinned down and getting his head beat against a concrete pavement" and was able to reach behind his back (pinned, mind you) and pull a gun out of his internal holster! Now, that's farfetched! And someone made mention of what I do and don't know about guns. I served in the military and received training. Most people DON'T react properly with a gun when getting beat as severely as you all think and are "supposedly" that scared. He murdered that boy. So, HA, there's your proof he lied. Next time do a simple internet search before issuing a challenge.

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Riverman1 07/22/13 - 09:14 am
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Huh?

"He murdered that boy. So, HA, there's your proof he lied."

Let's do a little logic study here. He did lie about his finances, but that had nothing to do with the incident. So it follows he "murdered that boy." That's evidence of murder? But do we really want to compare the characters and behavior of the two?

As far as reaching the gun, when someone is on top of you, beating you they are using both hands most likely. You are still pinned, but you can reach for your weapon. I don't see anything at all hard about that...neither did the jury. Do you seriously believe Martin started to punch him while Z had a drawn gun? Remember the PROSECUTION witness saying Martin was swinging down at Z? Would he do that if a gun were staring up at him or would he be grabbing the gun?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 09:42 am
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He murdered that boy?
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He murdered that boy? Really? So you are going to ignore all of the facts and evidence of the case that the jury heard and determined that he did NOT murder anyone. mrenee2003, your statement showed either a complete lack of understanding of facts, or a complete disregard for truth.

Do you care to show any evidence that he murdered "that boy?" After all, the prosecution couldn't find any. Maybe you know something that they didn't.....but I doubt it.....it seems you are presenting emotions and accusations as if they are true, when they clearly are not.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 09:42 am
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mrenee2003, care to explain
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mrenee2003, care to explain how he was on the phone to 911, holding a flashlight, and holding a gun all at the same time.....and shot him from 4 inches away? THAT is a heck of a feat.

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Butterbean 07/22/13 - 10:17 am
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Folks, the bottom line

of this discussion is that someone is not guilty because you want them to be guilty. Under the law they must be proven guilty. He was not. So he is not guilty. Sorry. The law prevailed in this case.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 12:12 pm
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I see you failed to address that GZ tried to rip off the taxpayer by using a court-appointed lawyer when he, in fact, had the money (donations from the public). Real model citizen.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 12:29 pm
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Yeah, that is a heck of a feat. But I don't believe it. He lied about the circumstances that night because he is a proven liar. You seem desperate to believe a person that tried to rip off the taxpayer and steal public donations, who has a history of violence against women and police officers, was fired from a job for being too aggressive, trained as a MMI fighter, had inconsistencies in his story to the police, has been accused of sexual molestation by his cousin, and followed someone despite being advised not too. Can't even believe anyone believes anything this guy says! GZ is not innocent.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 12:33 pm
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No....I didn't fail to
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No....I didn't fail to address anything. I just don't see how it changes the facts of the case. YOU mrenee, have made up several of your so called facts, then have the nerve to call Zimmerman a liar. Interesting.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 12:39 pm
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Huh?

What facts did I make up? Be specific, HA. I have the nerve to call Z a liar? Interesting. His bail was revoked for lying. Do you dispute that? He's a liar.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 12:43 pm
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You seem fixated on
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You seem fixated on Zimmerman's past.....why not the same with Martin?

Text messages from T Martin:

Martin: “U gotta gun?”
Friend: “It my mommy but she buy for me.”
Martin: “She let u hold it?”
Friend: “Yea, But she keep it,”

All sent while suspended from school. A real outstanding citizen.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 12:46 pm
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What facts did you make up?
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What facts did you make up? Well...you stated that "he murdered that boy." THAT is a lie. Why should we believe YOU over Zimmerman....it seems you are showing the same pattern.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 12:55 pm
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Weak

That's weak HA. I didn't make up any facts. I provided an opinion that GZ murdered that boy. If you bothered to actually read anything I said, you would know that I said TM had a history of violence and substance abuse. Weak. And GZ is a liar.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 12:58 pm
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The jury said he is NOT
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The jury said he is NOT guilty of murder, so your statement is NOT true. You can say "weak" all day, but it doesn't make your statement any more true. Nice try though. Sorry....credibility seems to be slipping.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 01:03 pm
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Funny...when you said he
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Funny...when you said he murdered "that boy" you said it was PROOF that he that he lied, not that it was your opinion...........yeah....credibility slipping quite a bit.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 01:08 pm
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Trouble with comprehension

You are the one with credibility problems since you don't u/s what you are reading. I said he was a proven liar. There is proof of that. Try again because right now you are grasping at straws.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 01:12 pm
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And apparently you have
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And apparently you have proven the same thing. Touche.

Definition of Murder: The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

You KNEW that the killing that Zimmerman was deemed to be legal, justified, and excused by the jury, yet you still said he murdered "that boy", therefore what you said is not true, ie proven to be a lie.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 01:16 pm
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He was charged with second degree murder. Like I said, if you ever bothered to actually READ what I wrote in my previous comments, I said that the jury made the right decision with the instructions they were given. If you bothered to read the statements by four of the jurors in response the woman who appeared on television, you would know they weren't happy with the decision they rendered. He is not innocent or a good person. Face it.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 01:14 pm
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Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 01:15 pm
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"Whatever that means" Posted
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"Whatever that means"

Posted by the person who accuses OTHERS of problems with reading comprehension. Nice.

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 01:18 pm
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HA

Your last post is incoherent.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 01:21 pm
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What did you NOT understand?
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What did you NOT understand? I'll gladly explain it to you. YOU stated that Zimmerman murdered that boy. That statement has been proven to be not true, therefore your statement was a lie, assuming that you knew about the verdict that was rendered, stating that Zimmerman was NOT guilty of murder. Again, I find it humorous that you criticize others' reading comprehension, when a statement so simple seems to allude you.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/22/13 - 01:24 pm
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You also backpedaled when you
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You also backpedaled when you said that "he murdered that boy. There's your PROOF that he lied." Then later recanted that it was just your opinion.

Slip sliding away.............

mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/22/13 - 01:25 pm
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See you do have problem

I said your last post.

"Whatever that means" Posted

"Whatever that means"

Posted by the person who accuses OTHERS of problems with reading comprehension. Nice.

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