Here's the real scandal

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While I agree with many of the points in the July 7 lead editorial “The age of scandal,” there is one glaring untruth. There was no “IRS assault on conservative groups” any more than there was an assault on liberal groups. The whole thing is a fake scandal cooked up by U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa of California to score political points against the Obama administration.

In seeking to create a scandal instead of doing his job, Rep. Issa requested a list of conservative groups from the Internal Revenue Service that had been flagged for scrutiny in relation to seeking tax exemptions. What he got was a list of conservative groups. Had he requested a list of liberal groups, he would have gotten a list of liberal groups. In other words, political groups of all persuasions are scrutinized by the IRS before receiving tax exemption.

The real scandal is that any political groups are receiving tax exemption in the first place. But of course conservative media and politicians, in their zeal to stir up the base and lend credence to their insane hatred of this administration, totally ignore that fact.

As is proved by your example of hopelessly deluded and misinformed Augusta Chronicle reader David G. Brown, (“Scandals tough to follow” June 29), they are doing an excellent job. Mr. Brown should be advised to start reading the work of actual investigative journalists instead of just political hacks.

The writings of the talented and extraordinary journalist Robert Parry, who goes way beyond opinion and straight to the mat in his sourcing of facts, are an excellent place to start. There, Mr. Brown will discover that Washington scandals were around long before President Obama, and that “perception management” was practiced and perfected by Republican administrations mainly as a consequence of Watergate. But of course all conservatives have long since forgotten about Watergate. They also forgot to thank President Obama and a toothless Democratic Congress, under Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, for refusing to prosecute the countless crimes of Bush administration figures in relation to this country’s disastrous war in Iraq – the costs of which morally, socially, diplomatically and financially we are saddled with forever. Try following any of that.

The so-called “age of scandal” of today absolutely pales in comparison.

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 06:00 am
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Scandals

@Ellsworth:
I awoke early to get my time in on the treadmill but just had to stop to give you a "thumbs up" on your LTE.

I am sure that you noted last week there was a story carried by this paper that GOP AG-mandated investigation revealed that there were NOT 900 dead people voting in 2010 and 2012 in your fair state of South Carolina as the AG had claimed. One would think that the "revelation" would have merited an editorial about how the AG and others cooked numbers to support their desire to put voting impediments in place to make it harder for some citizens to vote. Even when one concedes that showing a photo ID to vote is acceptable, none of the responders on this page has yet been able to, or is willing to explain how shortening the time for advance voting deters voting fraud. That is because the indefensible has no defense.

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carcraft 07/12/13 - 06:04 am
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So Ms. Ellsworth the report

So Ms. Ellsworth the report of the inspector General of the IRS is wrong and HE should read a News Paper to get his facts correct? LOL The truth is over 250 conservative groups had their applications sent to higher authority in the IRS for approval . The Truth is only 6 liberal groups were delayed or denied and those were dealt with by lower level IRS employees. This is per the Inspector General of the IRS! We were initially told this was a few workers in the Philadelphia office. We then find out it was ordered from the DC office and as many as 80 IRS employees were involved. This started over 2 years ago and was reported by the Inspector General of the IRS! And no the IRS didn't waste millions on fancy conventions and make stupid video's that cost the tax payers thousands of dollars, that was dreamed up to?

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carcraft 07/12/13 - 06:06 am
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MR Brown's letter dealt with

MR Brown's letter dealt with the NSA not the IRS Ms. Ellsworth! Clapper did lie to congress, not made up! The American people are being spied on, etc. etc. etc.

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 06:09 am
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Scandal--follow-up

Just to be sure, I went back to check the article, and not a single comment on this story from readers. Well, to be fair, it ran on July 6, I am sure all were still celebrating the great liberties the GOP are according SOME of our citizens.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2013-07-06/no-widespread-voter-f...

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ymnbde 07/12/13 - 06:12 am
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rah rah ree goooo O!

she's got her rah's, she's got her ree's
hey, a cheerleader's gotta cheer, no matter the score
even with her team down 75-0, she's out there cheering
delusionally, blindly, mindlessly cheering

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 06:24 am
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@carcraft

And I believe that NONE of the conservative leaning groups were actually denied. The point of the LTE is that NONE of them should have been allowed.

You guys do this country no favors when you defend Darrell Issa's behavior. As I commented before, he lied on TV regarding the investigator of Benghazi refusing to testify. The man was sitting right on the set and explained that he was told he could not testify. Well it turns out that Issa wanted his testimony in private, so he could leak certain parts, no doubt. Even John McCain warned him that the committee should let the investigation of the IRS unfold, but Mr. Issa said the orders came from the WH.

When the news about the IRS broke, there was outrage from all quarters; media-left and right; congress-left and right. Issa squandered that good will by turning this into another "Obama had to be responsible" scandal. When a real scandal pops up that he has to investigate, few except those who buy into his "cries of wolf" will pay him any attention. People with basic objectivity can recognize that.

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 06:26 am
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Three Thumbs Down--and counting

That is the only way that I have to measure when the truth is really "hitting home."

allhans
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allhans 07/12/13 - 07:14 am
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The IRS has admitted that tea

The IRS has admitted that tea party groups and other conservatives were singled out, now this LTE is saying they didn't tell the truth.
A later hearing mentioned liberals groups on a list (the number was 6, if I recall) but said very clearly that they were NOT subjected to the rigorous questions and numerous forms as those given to conservatives.
The hearings are still happening. Hold your hat.

allhans
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allhans 07/12/13 - 07:02 am
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I don't know the number of

I don't know the number of those convicted of voter fraud but there were enough to worry us...even one is more than enough... I do know that people went to jail. The particular cases I have read about were in Illinois and Texas.
There were more cases that were not followed through on because of time restraints.
If it is not reported there is no way to investigate so how many....who knows.

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Riverman1 07/12/13 - 07:10 am
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Treadmill Belt is Coming Off

The belt on someone's treadmill must be coming off because of tilting to the left side. It must be hard to keep your head straight with such a slant. Who broke the story of the IRS targeting conservatives? Remember the planted question? As far as Benghazi, what are you worried about? We all know the video caused the crowd to get out of hand...right?

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Humble Angela 07/12/13 - 07:51 am
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"And I believe that NONE of
Unpublished

"And I believe that NONE of the conservative leaning groups were actually denied."

Just delayed until after the election, or until they got tired of waiting and gave up. That is so much better, right? No scandal....nothing to see here.....stop looking.

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Humble Angela 07/12/13 - 07:52 am
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If the IRS didn't target
Unpublished

If the IRS didn't target conservative groups, then why did they apologize for doing it? Tell us how many thumbs it takes to make THAT truth "hit home."

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seenitB4 07/12/13 - 08:32 am
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Hahah--sunshine & lollipop nahhh

HA when you are on a treadmill your eyes dance around....some can't see the thumbs .......& of course like RM said it is tiltling to the left somewhat....\\\\\\\\\\\\ kinda..

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Shortcomment 07/12/13 - 08:46 am
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I guess if your President has been found time after time

to be in violation of the US Constitution and in scandal after scandal in which his agenda has killed innocent people, you would have live in a dream world or be committed.

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RMSHEFF 07/12/13 - 09:11 am
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TRUTH MATTERS

Obviously truth does NOT matter to you any longer.

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faithson 07/12/13 - 09:15 am
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where are the inditments....

where is there ANYTHING but inuendo and bluster in all this. Pray tell if there was any criminality, the right would be on it like flys on poop, yet there is NONE... say what you will, but these witch hunts under the guise of 'their out to get us' reeks of self delusion on the part of those who are so offended. Our 24/7 celebrity media on both sides is a blight on the American public, moving the gulibule like the sail on a boat.

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Lou Stewall 07/12/13 - 09:46 am
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What Actually Pales in Comparison

For three years, the outing of Valerie Plame was the subject of a special investigation meant to imprison Bush and Cheney. All the while Mr. Fitzgerald knew who did it, Richard Armitage, a democrat. Now, compare this to 4 dead, our Ambassador dragged through the streets and by some reports, sodomized repeatedly, and our leaders repeating a bald-faced lie for an excuse. Our president even went before the UN to DENOUNCE FREEDOM OF SPEECH when it comes to INSULTING ISLAM!

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Bizkit 07/12/13 - 10:03 am
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So the IRS lied to Congress

So the IRS lied to Congress when they admitted they targeted Conservative groups. Man this is getting juicy. I'm still waiting f0r MoveON.org to lose their status (because they epitomize a political action group) and pay back taxes.

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Humble Angela 07/12/13 - 10:12 am
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" Pray tell if there was any
Unpublished

" Pray tell if there was any criminality, the right would be on it like flys on poop, yet there is NONE."

Really....so it is legal to target groups for further scrutiny BECAUSE they are conservative groups....as the IRS admitted to and apologized for? Gosh...who knew?

And why would someone "take the fifth" if there was not crime that they could be incriminated for?

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RMSHEFF 07/12/13 - 10:14 am
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The Obama IRS Scandal

The Obama IRS Scandal involves:

** At least 292 conservative groups targeted
** At least 5 pro-Israel groups targeted
** Constitutional groups targeted
** Groups that criticized Obama administration were targeted
** At least two pro-life groups targeted
** A Texas voting-rights group was targeted
** Conservative activists and businesses were targeted.
** At least 88 IRS agents were involved in the targeting scandal
** At least one conservative Hispanic group was targeted

The IRS inspector general said this week that while some liberal groups were given extra scrutiny by the tax agency, they were not subjected to the same invasive queries as tea party groups — a finding that seems to confirm a political bias was at play.

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itsanotherday1 07/12/13 - 10:38 am
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I find it amazing that people

I find it amazing that people are so wrapped up in ideology that they will deny the facts when the government ADMITS they messed up.

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dichotomy 07/12/13 - 10:43 am
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"They also forgot to thank

"They also forgot to thank President Obama and a toothless Democratic Congress, under Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, for refusing to prosecute the countless crimes of Bush administration figures in relation to this country’s disastrous war in Iraq "

And Joni, you can BET YOUR BIPPY that if there WERE any crimes the frothing left, in total control at the time, would have investigated and prosecuted. There were NO criminal acts by the Bush administration while prosecuting the war in Iraq...which the SAME Democrats voted resoundingly FOR based on a United Nations resolution.

As for the current scandals......I'm sorry Joni......they exist. Fast and Furious exists. The IRS did overwhelmingly harass, delay, and deny CONSERVATIVE groups while approving Obama's half brother's bogus 501 (3)c in 30 days...approved by Ms. Lerner PERSONALLY. That exists. The Benghazi terrorist attack and deaths of the ambassador and 3 other Americans while the Clinton State Department and the rest of the Obama administration were totally unresponsive.....that exists too. Oh yeh, and then there is the Dept. of Justice thing with falsely certifying search warrants for the reporters' phones and email. You know....the same Dept. of Justice that used taxpayer money to "assist" in organizing anti-Zimmerman protests in Florida. The DOJ scandals exist.

Oh yeh Joni, there are no Obama administration scandals......and Obamacare will cut our healthcare spending in half too. Obama just don't want us to feel the glow of all of those Obamacare benefits until AFTER the 2014 elections because he is so humble. What delusional world are you living in Joni.

But of course Joni, we can tell from the tone of your letter that you are totally objective in your ANTI-conservative views.

Come see us again in a month Joni and try to convince us that Issa invented all of this out of thin air.

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myfather15 07/12/13 - 11:10 am
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This is what I've been saying

This is what I've been saying for over two years on here. They don't want people to believe, even what they see with their own two eyes or hear with their ears. A liberal politician could ADMIT to murder and they would say "Well, he didn't actually murder him, he just stopped his heart from beating, which isn't the same thing."

The radical leftists are blindly committed to those that tow their line!! Like in this case where IRS admitted specifically targeting conservative groups, but here go the liberals "Nothing to see here, move on!!"

Then they STILL want to talk about prosecuting Bush and Cheney!!! Are you people EVER going to give this a REST??? Ooooops, I said "you people"; I'm sure our liberal PC buddies are gasping in horror!! Probably thinking "How dare he use those two words together!!"

I'm just curious, do they also want all the liberal democrats, who voted for the war, prosecuted as well?

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Bizkit 07/12/13 - 11:25 am
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True dichot. The Dems were

True dichot. The Dems were rabid with one Congressional investigation after another during Bush's tenure-over 100 subpoenas. They did force some people out of office-like Gonzales, etc, etc. etc. Now I don't understand why those same folks will not show Obama the same scrutiny after he has assassinated US citizens without due process, abused the Patriot Act more so than Bush, use drones to kill targets and collateral women and children, the Justice Department alone would take a paragraph of affronts, etc, etc, etc, . If the shoe were on the other foot the Dems would have already removed -or at least try-the standing President for such crimes. It's beyond belief. I will never vote for another Rep or Dem the rest of my life-they are peas and carrots.

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 12:50 pm
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@Riverman1

Treadmill

I hope that you won't be disappointed that I take no offense at your comment. In fact, I appreciate a good pun from time to time. It was a pun intended, yes?

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 01:01 pm
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Moveon.org

@bizkit
Yes, Moveon.org and all the TP groups that are engaged in political activities should pay any taxes owed. See, I keep telling you guys that I can be objective. Oh how I wish the same could be said sometime for many my friends commenting here.

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 01:05 pm
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IRS

RMSHEFF--
I am not asking you to do my research, but since you seem to have the "facts" at hand can you tell us how many total conservative groups applied for exemption. If not, I will look for the info later.

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carcraft 07/12/13 - 01:07 pm
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Truth Matters, I guess that

Truth Matters, I guess that would include the NAACP?

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Bizkit 07/12/13 - 01:30 pm
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I don't see a big movement by

I don't see a big movement by progressives to remove MoveOn from its tax exempt status. That should have been done first to be fair.

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Truth Matters 07/12/13 - 01:46 pm
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@Carcraft re:NAACP

Thank you for asking!
Can't be sure, but they have been under scrutiny so long, it is old hat for them. You do remember that when Julian Bond criticized a certain Republican president whose name I won't call (Hint: the Right say progressives blame everything on him--not true but they say it anyway), Bond says he received a letter from the IRS stating that the group was being investigated because of his criticism of said president. I understand that about 2-3 yrs went by while the organization submitted endless paperwork. And guess what, not a single word of outrage or support from conservatives that this group was being targeted.

It is my understanding from what is in the public domain that the group that does legal work is entirely separate from the other entity.

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