Can't we just coexist here?

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This is in response to the article titled “Churches split on gay youths,” which is about certain religious groups that have condemned all involvement with the Boy Scouts of America since its decision to not exclude gay kids.

Parents associated with these groups are pulling their kids out of the Scouts and encouraging them to “stand up for what they believe.”

But such a reaction goes beyond standing for your own moral convictions. What are we really teaching our kids by pulling them out of the Scouts? That we shouldn’t even try to coexist in a group with gay people?

What happens when they grow up and they end up having to work with a gay person at their office? Are they going to have to quit their job because they are in the same organization as a gay person?

It’s not like BSA is asking anyone to renounce their faith or is asking the straight kids to participate in “gay workshops,” whatever that means. It honestly boggles my mind that people feel the need to react this way. Are we not meant to coexist in society with gay people, because that’s the message that is being delivered here.

Dallas Duff

Evans

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scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 06/10/13 - 12:34 am
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DISAGREE!

I could not disagree more with Duff's letter. This kind of thinking is destoying the foundations of America. Homosexuality is being shoved down our throats. They do not want to coexist; they want to take over and pervert and distort natural gender roles. And mark my words this is going to lead to sexual molestation of young boys 10 times greater than what has happened in the Catholic church.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 06/10/13 - 05:15 am
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Romans 12:2 says for

Romans 12:2 says for Christians "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."

We are taught to be in the world but not of the world and since it is a choice whether your child is a member of the BSA or not, I believe spiritually it would be more beneficial for your son or daughter to be enrolled in other Christian organization that adheres to your Christian beliefs. As Christians we must coexist in this world but given a choice we do not have to participate in it's sin. When children become adults and go out into the work force most do not have a choice whether they work in an environment with homosexuals or not, but that does not mean they have to socially engage with homosexuals. As an adult, I work with a few individuals who are homosexuals and they are really nice people but that does not mean I have to join their groups or socially interact with them outside of the workplace.....

We are guardians of our children and are to instruct them in the way of Christ according to his Holy Word.

Psalm 119:9 "How can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to your word."

InChristLove
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InChristLove 06/10/13 - 05:24 am
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Dallas Duff, our children

Dallas Duff, our children must live in a world of alcohol, pornography, and drugs.....would you suggest taking your child to a bar to teach him/her about alcohol, what about a strip club or adult book store to teach him/her about sex. What about drugs, would you suggest letting them visit a meth lab?

I would venture (or hope) you would say no. Then why, according to your Christian belief, expose them to the open and public sexual immorality of homosexuality within the BSA.

These things can be properly taught about by parents within the confines of the home and church through the studying of God's Word.

jic
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jic 06/10/13 - 06:16 am
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Most of the "reality" based
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Most of the "reality" based world has come to realize that being gay is not a "morality" issue or a lifestyle "choice." You commenters can say what you like to your poor kids but 1 in 10 of them are gay and you will come to regret the harm you've done by preaching they are "sick" "immoral" "perverts" "child molestors" "anti-Christian" or any other sanctimonious hate-filled, depression-inducing and suicide-inducing name calling that is also by the way against Chronicle policy.

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 06/10/13 - 07:30 am
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From a former Scoutmaster.

I've talked to many folks on this subject. It seems those who are in favor of gays in Scouting have never been a part of the Scouting organization and know little or nothing about it. Those who against it are, or have been, members, either youth or adults. Pretty clear cut.

The church that hosted my Troop will not be rechartering because this decision goes against their religious beliefs. Can you blame them? The comments I'm getting from those who support this abomonation are "Shame on the church". To me, this is very disturbing and therefore makes the decision to allow gays in Scouting unconstitutional! But what do you expect from an administration that has no respect for the Constitution in the first place?

Scouting was a respectable program with the strongest youth protection guidelines of any youth organization in the country. A "Safe Haven" for young boys to learn and have fun. Parents trusted us to take their sons on campouts and other activities. That ultimate trust will no longer be there.

It takes a special kind of person to be a Scoutmaster. Someone who is willing to take on the responsibility of the safety and welfare of all the kids in the Troop, coordinate the efforts of the youth and adult leaders, while balancing the all the variables to make a good Scouting program work. It is an awesome responsibility, with no pay, that only a select few are willing to accept. Now add sexual advances to the mix, and soon to be child preditors.

What I don't understand is why they didn't just create a new youth club for gays, instead of destroying an honorable, tried and tested institution, that stood for over 100 years. This is just a part of "fundamentally changing America", and I don't like it one bit. My Scouting days are now over, and it IS enough to make a grown man cry!

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Jon Lester 06/10/13 - 07:37 am
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It's not like either the BSA or the SBC are big on promoting
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individuality. Conformity is not liberty. I could not care less that both organizations are losing influence and relevance over this.

jic
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jic 06/10/13 - 07:42 am
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Shame on you deestafford for
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Shame on you deestafford for such hate-filled ranting. I served honorably during Viet Nam for 5 years. Did you? I've been in a monogamous relationship for 37 years. How about you? Regardless, how dare you call any veteran a "panty waist" or presume to judge the character of someone you never met. Grow up.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 06/10/13 - 07:47 am
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Scouts

I was with you until the poster referenced the priests in the Catholic Church. If that is not clear evidence that the fear of molestation need not be harbored toward gays alone, I don't know what is!

And how many of them end if in jail; too few no doubt.

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my.voice 06/10/13 - 08:02 am
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For the liberal mind, coexist

For the liberal mind, coexist means:

I forget my beliefs, and adopt yours.
My beliefs are racist, prejudice, mean.
Your beliefs are pure and right.
You have the right to redefine words. (i.e.. Marriage)
I have the right to agree or be removed from society.

Our enemies need not attack us, we will eventually destroy ourselves.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 06/10/13 - 08:22 am
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Coexist?

This issue has nothing to do with coexisting. They were coexisting before this controversy. Homosexuals were and are in the Scouts as scouts and leaders. The key word here is "openly gay". Why would the issue of sexuality even come up in the Boy Scouts. This is all about accepting this lifestyle at all levels and in every group. The real question is: Can a group that believes this lifestyle is sinful be forced to accept it?

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Dixieman 06/10/13 - 08:34 am
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Freedom of association

Gary Ross - excellent post.
This is America.
I may choose to associate with whomever I like, and am equally free to choose NOT to associate with those who do not share my values.
In private clubs like the Scouts, I may also choose to impose requirements in beliefs, actions, etc. as a condition of membership. A synagogue does not have to welcome Nazis to its congregation.
This is especially true when, as parents, we must choose what influences to expose our children to.
Would you argue that drug dealers have a right to be scoutmasters?
Or let a man take your young daughters on overnight camping trips?

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 06/10/13 - 08:44 am
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Dixieman

This "was " America. We are in the process of being fundamentally changed. Soon, those that believe the Bible in literal terms will no longer be able to"publicly" hold those beliefs. Espousing the literal view of Biblical truth is considered "hate speech" by many, and should not be tolerated . We have seen of late what the IRS,EPA,OSHA and DOJ does to those who don't hold the "correct" political beliefs. Put on your seat belt and prepare for much worse.

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deestafford 06/10/13 - 09:16 am
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Yeah, let's talk about coexisting

Are we talking about coexisting with the homosexuals who want to kick out of the band a Master Sergeant from the Army band at Ft Meyer, VA because he served Chick-Fil-A chicken at his promotion party and during breaks read conservative books written by Hannity, Levin, and Limbaugh? This was demanded by them because they were "offended" by his actions.
Yes sir. That's "Army Strong."

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 06/10/13 - 10:10 am
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@Truthmatters

Molestation of children can occur at any level from any person. However, I don't believe that it is wrong to conclude that once a person has deviated from the natural heterosexual relationship to a homosexual relationship that other perversions are more likely. Our society is so far away from God's original intentions that it cannot tell right from wrong anymore

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crkgrdn 06/10/13 - 10:34 am
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Our most precious gifts

Are free will, faith and reason. I think of them as if they form a trout stream: free will is bounded by the banks of faith and reason. Otherwise the gift of free will dissipates and is lost across a flat land.

What we know from a casual observation of the world is that there is a natural order that reflects natural law. The source of nature is not seen, but felt. Those that believe only what they can see miss most of the wonder and beauty of experience.

On occasion I make a bet. I wager that the author of nature is God, and, consider that I win the bet and the world I've won versus the alternative, for eternity.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 06/10/13 - 11:23 am
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Right or wrong, a lot of

Right or wrong, a lot of parents have strong feelings against the possibilities of what could happen to their young boys in an organization where other boys, and possibly the leadership, are openly gay. You cannot blame parents for being concerned for their kids in this brave new world.

If there is enough resistance I guess a new national organization could be formed or there could be bunch of local, independent groups with similar activities and "value" training. There are options out there so this is not a crisis.....except for the BSA if a lot of troops disband and membership plummets.

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Dixieman 06/10/13 - 11:44 am
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What is really weird

Is that just a few years ago the US Supreme Court said it was OKAY for the Boy Scouts to be homosexual-free (Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, 2000) so the scouts did not face any litigation or other legal problems if they had just stuck to their guns.
I repeat: Can a 20+ straight male take your 8 to 18 year old daughters on an overnight camping weekend? He'll promise to be good and not touch her...
I thought not.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 06/10/13 - 11:53 am
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its funny hou things are

its funny hou things are always challenged from the left...not the right...can i go to a gay club and demand that they change their charter because i am offended??? i wont even think of that ..nor if im not wanted i would would not care...my self worth is not dictated by making others accept me...and that what its all about..the gay community has to feel accepted to feel not quility..for not only is it against natural law its againt moral law..

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allhans 06/10/13 - 12:08 pm
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It would be very boring if we

It would be very boring if we all conformed like robots fumbling our way through.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 06/10/13 - 12:39 pm
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Oath

Will the Boy Scouts organization have the courage to take the clause, “and morally straight” out of the Scout Oath?

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 06/10/13 - 02:24 pm
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We are under a relentess attack

Yes this did come up for a vote back in 2000. I remember it. So why did it come up again, and this time we lost? Why was Obamacare voted down in the beginning but kept coming back? Our civil liberties, freedoms, and Constitutution are under relentless attack. The only way to defeat this is for the moral majority to take a stand.

The decision really boiled down to funding. The United Way, the major supporter in funding, pulled away from the BSA because of their decision to stay "Morally straight". How can one non-profit organization dictate how another non-profit organization operates? You'll see a lot more of this in the next few years, especially when our churches come under attack.

I'm curious to see how this changes the Scouting program. Please note that I did NOT use the word "evolve". This is not an evolution of change. This is the death of one thing to introduce something else. Yes, the Scout Oath and Laws will have to change. More importantly, the Youth Protection guidelines and policies will undergo a radical change behind the scenes. Scouting will never again be what it once was.

To answer the authors title question; "Can't we just co-exist here? The answer comes from the liberal left itself - NO.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 06/10/13 - 02:53 pm
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Lie down with dogs,

get up with fleas.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 06/11/13 - 10:38 am
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And then there's the somewhat recent story about brownies,

laced with a tiny tad of a "special" ingredient:

A father was distressed that his young teens and some of their friends were happily watching a movie with vulgar language and lots of suggestive interaction between the men and women, although there was no outright nudity or onscreen sex. When he questioned them, his children made up all kinds of rationalizations which all of us have heard: "It's only PG-13," and "There nothing bad except some language," and "It's not as bad as...", and "So-and-so's parents let us watch this at their house..." You get the idea.

So dear old dad went back into the kitchen and whipped up a batch of his famous chocolate chip, carrot and pecan brownies. The brownies smelled wonderful as they baked, and when he took them in to the kids they dove for them. He let them each take one but told them not to take a bite until he said to.

Then he told them how delicious and even healthy they were, but this time they had an extra ingredient. He told them he had added 1/4 teaspoon of Rover's poo from the backyard, but that he was sure it wouldn't hurt them at all, and he didn't expect they would even notice since it was such a small amount of the filth.

Needless to say, every brownie was dropped or flung away instantaneously.

More importantly, they got the point. It's not a perfect analogy and gay kids (if there are such) are not pooh, but I wonder if Mr. Duff would get it.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 06/10/13 - 04:22 pm
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ANSWER!!

Can't we just coexist here?

Hell NO! If any so called American Citizen says yes to that question, then in my book, they have never been American, not American now and will never be American.

I will stand here with an American Flag over my head, Bible in one hand and my AR-15 in the other to fight and give my life as I have in my lifetime for all the things from PC to removing my faith that has destroyed this once free and beautiful America.

P.S.....IRS, hope you are monitoring my comments because a fight from all True Americans is the only answer that will save her!

myfather15
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myfather15 06/10/13 - 04:29 pm
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I really have nothing to say

I really have nothing to say to this disgusting letter and it's intent to confuse people as to right and wrong!!

BUT; I will say that now that the BSA has decided to allow openly homosexual members; THERE IS NO TURNING BACK!! They will never be able to change it back, because they would really open themselves up to problems then. So, my sincere hope is that the BSA is COMPLETELY DESTROYED for their LACK OF SPINE!! You choose your side and now live with it. I hope MORE and MORE people will make the choice to stand for moral principals and REMOVE their children and financial support!! I hope the BSA goes completely broke and has to disband; because they can NEVER go back to the way it was. BSA, you made your choice, now live with it. WE need to continue to STAND STRONG!!

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 06/10/13 - 04:39 pm
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myfather15

I totally agree with you 100%. This is a way that a revolution can be won without firing a shot.

myfather15
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myfather15 06/10/13 - 05:55 pm
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Yes, BUT and this is a very

Yes, BUT and this is a very large BUT; we the real American patriots MUST start getting organized and actually getting out and doing something. The activists leftists are ALL IN; they attend every meeting and everty protest; where are the Christian Conservative groups doing this? We ARE the majority, but the majority of US aren't actively involved in anything except our OWN LIVES. Most people I know are Christian Conservatives, and most of them couldn't care less about news, politics, religious debates or anything important going on in the world. They just want to take the kids to baseball practice and have a BBQ on Saturday. They simply ARE NOT involved and it's killing us.

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RMSHEFF 06/10/13 - 06:52 pm
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Myfather

You are correct. Being an American can no longer be a spectator sport....we all need to be in the game. The problem is that most people are apathetic at best. This country is being run by a handful of very active , well organized and involved special interest groups. I am not sure if Americans will wake up in time to save the country.

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duffstuff 06/10/13 - 08:56 pm
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The way some of y'all talk

The way some of y'all talk about this its like you think the BSA is making the strait kids pledge allegiance to homosexuality. LOL Is that really what you think is going on? And then y'all talk about it like the gays are gonna take over America and destroy it! If America is gonna go down, gay kids in the scouts is gonna be one of the last reasons why. I mean...seriously???

I'd understand the beef if the federal government was forcing the BSA to accept gay kids. I'd also understand if the organization was doing things that made kids have to renounce their faith and teach them anything that directly went against that. However, simply welcoming gay kids into the organization should be a perfectly acceptable idea. I mean, why can't we just let God be the judge of people's sins? Do we really think gay kids that want to join the scouts have some kind of malicious agenda or do you think they might just want to be able to learn how to make camp fires and tie knots and just have fun with a group of their peers? If an openly gay person came to your church would you welcome them in and be kind to them? Or would you jump to the conclusion that the only reason they are there is to destroy the church and everything it stands for? Be careful not to make assumptions about people you've never met. People who think having gays around automatically is serving some sort of agenda to destroy their faith is jumping to conclusions that are probably inaccurate.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 06/10/13 - 09:55 pm
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"If an openly gay person came

"If an openly gay person came to your church would you welcome them in and be kind to them? "

Most certainly they would be welcomed with open arms but with that comes the responsibility of a Christian to teach that person what biblical doctrine states is sexual sin and that in order to have a relationship with Christ we must turn from our sinful ways and try and live a holy and righteous life.....not overlook our sins as something not to be concerned about.

"I'd also understand if the organization was doing things that made kids have to renounce their faith and teach them anything that directly went against that."

By allowing the very sinful nature your motto teaches (straight and sexually moral) against, to be overlooked and disregarded, is that not teaching these young men that what your doctrine states doesn't mean anything and moral guidelines are meant to be disregarded. Isn't that quit hypocritical?

We teach our young men to be honorable and truthful. Can we disregard that moral guideline also?

Homosexuals can not destroy our faith and it puzzles me how you came to that conclusion by these comments, but in the same token, it is because of our faith that we are to avoid sexual immorality and sinfulness so why would be encourage our children to be exposed to it. Find another organization or group that will uphold the biblical beliefs your family stands for and let the gays have the BSA. Simple really.

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