I just don't believe Obama

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On May 5, President Obama addressed Ohio State University’s graduating class. He asserted, “(Y)ou’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems.” Obama continued, “They warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can’t be trusted.”

Over the past 10 days, the American public has learned that, under the Obama administration, federal agents apparently have blatantly desecrated the rights of citizens under the guise of governmental authority.

On Friday, we learned that the Internal Revenue Service targeted groups for intense and unwarranted scrutiny based solely upon political views. It just so happens that the targeted groups are conservative entities that seek to educate the public and to reform the taxation practices of the federal government. On Monday we learned of the Department of Justice seized the phone records of numerous Associated Press reporters and editors. The actions of the Department of Justice represent an egregious and unprecedented attack on journalists’ freedom and their responsibility to inform the public of the activities of the government.

We have trusted our government with the authority to deny each of us of life, liberty and property. However, the Constitution clearly states that we are protected from such denials by due process and equal protection under the law.

The revelations of the past few days illustrate that our government agencies are capable of unscrupulous and tyrannical activity. Obama expects the American public to trust him and faithfully believe that our government acts in the best interests of its citizens. I don’t believe him. Actions speak louder than words.

Clay T. Stafford

Ware Shoals, S.C.

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carcraft 05/16/13 - 10:12 am
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ONly two employees? WOW ,

ONly two employees? WOW , they mangaed to target 500 differant organizations and it appears theat Harry Reid and other Democratic party operatives got information about Romney from the IRS. Not to mention offices in several differant districts were used to target people. But not to worry because Eric the "Sargent Shultz " of the Obama administration Holder will investigate.

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faithson 05/16/13 - 10:20 am
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thank you for making my case against Newt and GOPAC, same stuff, different day. it is called american politics, ask those in the know, this is the crux of the problem, getting good men to serve in the putrid enviroment of DC. If one really believes 'their' side has a leg up on the other, their predjudice is getting in the way of their perspective.

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myfather15 05/16/13 - 11:20 am
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@faithson

Who exactly is going to be in charge of this investigation? We you really trust the federal government to fully investigate and hold themselves responsible? Where is the independent investigator? Even if they get a prosecutor from some district in Utah or somewhere similar, do you think that prosecutor won't get intimidated by those of higher federal power?

BUT, there is one thing I agree with you on; there are NOT just liberal politician scandals; there are many republican scandals as well. All these bums need to be thrown out of offcie; but what do we replace them with? More HUMANS who will be seduced by Washington politics, not long after taking office? You can go back as far as you want and look up my comments; I've ALWAYS stated I dislike ALL politicians; usually after they've taken office and been seduced into corruption.

BUT, in attempting to be fair; in my lifetime I haven't heard of such intimidation tactics being used by the republican side (Please don't bring up the tired argument of requiring I.D. to vote). You wanna bring up ID's then we can get on the topic of ACORN. But, this scandal goes beyond the pale; this SHOULD be huge. Again, if it happened to mediamatters, there would be numerous leftists screaming for prosecution and heads to roll. But, it's the Obamasiah, so let's just ignore it until it goes away, right?

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Humble Angela 05/16/13 - 11:21 am
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Love that attitude. Since it
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Love that attitude. Since it happens all the time (even if not to this level) then we should just leave them alone. It's politics as usual.

Where were these rationalizers when Bush was in office?

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Bizkit 05/16/13 - 11:29 am
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Well likely the IRS plan was

Well likely the IRS plan was to target tea party by with holding their tax exempt status, and then once Obamacare kicks in they would have their health records so they could alienate conservatives, with hold health care to assist in their dying earlier, ya know a little eugenics. What better way to assure a Dem victory than a little evolution and a shift in gene pool by eliminating a gene pool through time. It will take time-but that is how evolution works but eventually the conservative ideology would become extinct. LOL. Win by attrition. Scary to think these same folks who have all are financial info and abusing it will soon have our health and medical info. Obama likes to pick the winners so likely all an orchestrated plan to "fundamentally change" America. Slow genocide but effective. I just heard Julian Bond call the tea party the American Taliban so likely all progressives would see such extermination as justifiable and would likely wish they could use drones to hasten the process.

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myfather15 05/16/13 - 11:33 am
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To be completely fair; the VAST majority of politicians on BOTH sides have the "Win at all cost" mentality.

Now, there are a few and I mean FEW who draw lines they won't cross, but the rest will do ANYTHING to get elected.

BUT and IF our elections are still fair and honest; the blame of this lies with the AMERICAN CITIZENS, period. If WE stood up for honor and integrity, as soon as a politician started with the gutter campaign; they would LOSE. As soon as we started seeing these disgusting attack ads on TV, we should immediately withdraw our support for this person and watch them lose in a landslide. THAT would be the only way WE THE PEOPLE could teach THEM a lesson. Will it happen? NO, it won't!! Because WE THE PEOPLE can't seem to organize on any issue.

Politicians should simply tell WE THE PEOPLE how they would lead, exactly what their plan is. They should tell US what their goals would be, TRUTHFULLY where they stand on ALL ISSUES; including economy, gay marriage, abortion, border control, tax issues, foreign policy and any other issue I can't think of right now. We should base our decision on THEIR plan and goals, NOT on the other guy being worse. Let us hear BOTH sides and WE will decide which is better. But it will NEVER happen. Gutter politics will always continue because WE THE PEOPLE won't stand together to put a stop to it. Therefore it will continue until the Savior returns; then ALL politics ENDS then and there; at that very moment. I personally CAN NOT wait until that moment.

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Bizkit 05/16/13 - 11:33 am
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I was just reflecting on

I was just reflecting on Faith's comments on everybody having a seat at the table. Well everyone does have a chance to sit at the table. Take my lovely spouse who worked her way out of real poverty, paid for her education, works everyday to this day, and is now a 1% (makes way more than I do-although I am more educated). So if you get an education and work really, really hard you get to sit at the table and there is no socioeconomic or ethnic barrier which can't overcome it-my wife and our Prez as examples. I can see why some aren't sitting at the table-lack of education and lack of work ethic.

myfather15
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myfather15 05/16/13 - 11:41 am
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@HA

Yes, don't you just love that attitude. That attitude is another reason nothing of substance ever gets done. We just continue to go deeper and deeper into debt, and for what? Our education system is failing, last time I checked I think we were 37th in the world ranking. Our economy is failing, and they put it on life support with bailouts, but when you unhook the life support; it dies!!

But hey; it's always been this way so lets just keep going, right? Politicians have always been corrupt, so what's the big deal that it continues, right? I've got to get off here before I beat my head into the wall. The liberal mindset is something I'm beginning to believe even God has a hard time understanding. Their "Logic" will absolutely make you want to smash your head against a brick wall over and over; just to get some mental relief. At least while I was unconscious, I wouldn't have to try and understand it.

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Bizkit 05/16/13 - 11:47 am
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Well this IRS scandal is

Well this IRS scandal is enough evidence that every state in the union should be outraged to prevent the IRS role in Obamacare. Obviously this incident is a red flag of future abuse-and you can bet both political parties will abuse it too. The IRS cannot and should not be given this power.

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Darby 05/16/13 - 12:01 pm
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"Has anyone seen any Tea Party group do anything

other than political activity and fundraising?"

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What's your point???????????

Has anyone seen ANY democrat political organization do anything other than political activity and fund raising?

So far, the Tea Party has only been harassed and intimidated for advocating adherence to the Constitution. They have broken no laws.

If only that were true with our Democrat "friends".

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carcraft 05/16/13 - 12:13 pm
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I believe the war in

I believe the war in Afganastan was a necessity ! Ben Laiden was sheltered in Afganastan and operated out of there . How many more attacks did we need out of him and his organization ? Clinton targeted. Him and failed. Ben Lauden attack the USS Cole, Kobar Towers, two Embassies in Africa and the World Trade Center twice. Did we really need any more justification ?

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owensjef3 05/16/13 - 12:28 pm
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HA Says
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" Where were these rationalizers when Bush was in office"? Heck you on here everyday.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 05/16/13 - 12:32 pm
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Owensjef, my first post was
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Owensjef, my first post was in 2011. Nice try though.

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deestafford 05/16/13 - 12:34 pm
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I earlier read that 75% of IRS employees who contributed in the

last election (those which could be tracked) gave to obama and 25% to Romney. Also, 100% of the contributions in the Ohio office was for obama. And these are the people/organization we want to turn obama care enforcement and monitoring to?

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dichotomy 05/16/13 - 12:38 pm
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"Has anyone seen any Tea

"Has anyone seen any Tea Party group do anything other than political activity"

Every TEA Party rally I attended had speakers discussing issues that EDUCATED people about government policies and proposed legislation. That is why WE KNEW Obamacare would be the "train wreck" disaster that it has certainly turned out to be. Now the fact that the TEA Party was telling us the truth is probably what got the Obama administration upset enough for them to sic the IRS on us.

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faithson 05/16/13 - 12:52 pm
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interesting thought

Democracy, while an ideal, is a product of civilization, not of evolution. Go slowly! select carefully! for the dangers of democracy are:

1. Glorification of mediocrity.

2. Choice of base and ignorant rulers.

3. Failure to recognize the basic facts of social evolution.

4. Danger of universal suffrage in the hands of uneducated and indolent majorities.

5. Slavery to public opinion; the majority is not always right.

7 Public opinion, common opinion, has always delayed society; nevertheless, it is valuable, for, while retarding social evolution, it does preserve civilization. Education of public opinion is the only safe and true method of accelerating civilization; force is only a temporary expedient, and cultural growth will increasingly accelerate as bullets give way to ballots. Public opinion, the mores, is the basic and elemental energy in social evolution and state development, but to be of state value it must be nonviolent in expression.

Intelligent and trained representation. The survival of democracy is dependent on successful representative government; and that is conditioned upon the practice of electing to public offices only those individuals who are technically trained, intellectually competent, socially loyal, and morally fit. Only by such provisions can government of the people, by the people, and for the people be preserved. UB

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Humble Angela 05/16/13 - 12:57 pm
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Good thing this country is a
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Good thing this country is a republic and NOT a democracy.

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Gary Ross 05/16/13 - 02:18 pm
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WWII, for starters...

All those who gave their lives to rid the world of tyrany and oppression during WWII are watching us today. Some are probably rolling in their graves. America came to the rescue of many other countries by supplying men and material on several fronts. Are we, as their children and grandchildren, going to allow this same tyrany and oppression to take over this counrty without a fight? Or will we stand up together, like they did, and get rid of it for the futures of OUR children and grandchildren? Just how selfish, greedy, and uncaring have we become, really? Did they all die in vein, all alone and so far from home?

According to what I've been reading lately, the vast majority of Americans want obama and his minions out, as well as procecuted for the crimes committed. Only a few are hanging on to the "dream", and probably because they don't want their welfare checks to stop. But the big question is, just how powerful is our government? Will they abide by what the majority wants, or will they sieze control of our final liberties while masking their intentions? We are about to find out! Our founding fathers knew that one day this would come, and even warned us of it in a document called the Constitution of the United States of America!

Now I have a good understanding why so many southern states wanted to succeed from the Union after the 2012 election!

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myfather15 05/16/13 - 02:40 pm
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HA beat me to it about the republic, BUT

faithson, please give me a specific system that is better? Socialism/Communism? We've had NUMEROUS examples of the type of government you get with these (Hitler, Mao, Mousilini and countless others). So, what about socialism lite (Such as England, France, etc)? Ooh yes, they're doing far better with all their riots in the streets, protesting and financial problems.

Glorification of mediocrity? Would a socialistic system, which doesn't reward people for STRIVING their hardest, work better? When you don't reward the acheivers, ALL start to be mediocre; many studies have proven this, time and time again. Socialism FAILS in this aspect.

Choice of base and ignorant rulers? Well, this I wouldn't totally disagree with, BUT again; which system gives us better leaders? Socialism? Refer back to earlier example of bad leaders from socialism. Even as bad as our leaders are, I'd still choose them over Hitler, Mao or Kim Jong-un. You think I want the LEADER of our Country to be somebodies spoiled little punk kid, simply because of birth right?

Failure to recognize the basic facts of social evolution? Please specifically explain this one. I believe we've done a wonderful job of recognizing this. Oooh wait; ALL States haven't legalized gay marriage so we aren't there yet. Ok, I see the point.

Danger of universal suffrage in the hands of uneducated and indolent majorities? In this 21st century? Yes, there has been suffrage in EVERY COUNTRY, in the past; NOT just America. BUT, some Countries still do these things, as we've moved well beyond it. Care to explain in detail?

Slavery to public opinion; the majority is not always right? I will have to disagree on this. When the majority of the CITIZENS come together, they usually get it right. NOT the majority of one group of citizens, or race of citizens; but the majority of ALL citizens. BUT, lets say for the sake of this argument, your right; should we always do as the minority suggests?

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myfather15 05/16/13 - 03:58 pm
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Hey, I've got an idea; let's

Hey, I've got an idea; let's recall the election and make Romney President, since he recieved the least votes; and we certainly don't want to bow down to the majority, now do we?

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itsanotherday1 05/16/13 - 06:45 pm
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Don't forget either that IRS

Don't forget either that IRS employees are well motivated to tamp down conservatism. They know that fiscal conservatives would like to see the whole organization in the unemployment line.

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faithson 05/16/13 - 06:47 pm
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always so interesting

the quote indicates the 'dangers' of democracy... It makes no statement of 'value' or quality. I find the most important danger being the election of those who are NOT 'technically trained, intellectually competent, socially loyal, and morally fit.' Here we all should be able to agree. Of course the 'prove it' mentality will always be the fly in the ointment.

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KSL 05/16/13 - 06:55 pm
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carcraft 05/16/13 - 08:12 pm
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So faithson, please explain

So faithson, please explain to me what technical training ,intellectual competence, social loyalty and morally fitness qualified Obama to be president. Obama had never ran anything in his life except his mouth. Obama had no trouble throwing his mother ( you know the "average white women), Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and any number of other associates under the Bus, so much for social loyalty. Obama lied repeatedly about his back ground, blood Sunday, admits to smoking dope and doing blow, admits to being lazy, associated with corrupt people like Rezko in Chicago, so much for his being morally fit. Now we watch him bob and weave like a drunken boxer. The biggest job in DC today is a throwback to the 1950's called "duck and cover", i.e. Avoiding any resemblance of responsibility for anything. Well Obama has made it clear that the Buck will not stop at his desk! Right now Obama is blaming republican budget cuts for Benghazi, news flash fool, there hasn’t been a budget from the Democrats in 4 year and Benghazi occurred in 2012 before sequester kicked in.. Just another lie from our less than morally fit SMNCICBHO! Obama fired a guy who was quitting at the IRS and wasn't there when all the illegal garbage went on, WOW what a profile in courage and moral leadership from someone who hadn't even ran a lemonade stand before being president!

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KSL 05/16/13 - 08:21 pm
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carcraft

You nailed it.

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KSL 05/16/13 - 08:42 pm
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The scenario you described is both interesting and frightening. Especially in light of allegations that the IRS illegally seized 60 million medical records of 10 million Americans.

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myfather15 05/16/13 - 09:22 pm
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He didn't actually fire the guy; he was ASKED to resign, so he did. When in reality, he was leaving the IRS in June anyway. Now THAT is some real punishment!! You go Obama, you pit bull you. Wow, you certainly showed him who is boss.

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KSL 05/16/13 - 09:33 pm
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That is just what he does. A

That is just what he does. A lot of posters have predictable schedules.

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faithson 05/16/13 - 11:37 pm
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do you realize how many legislators fall under this same category you so elequently express. If you can accept W, Broun, Sanford, you have no ground to stand on with your argument above.

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