Homosexuality is prohibited

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We must stand up for moral values in our country. The three great Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam prohibit homosexuality, and it is an abomination.

The Torah is the primary source of Jewish law. It states: “(A man) shall not lie with another man as with a woman, it is a toeba (abomination)” (Leviticus 18:22). The stated punishment for willful violation is the death penalty.

According to the Bible’s Romans 1:26-27: “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”

The Islamic Quran, in 26:165-166, says “What! Of all creatures in the world, do you approach males and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but you are a people transgressing.”

These are very clear commandments against homosexuality, and punishments can be expected in this life and a sure penalty is waiting in the hereafter, according to the three religions. We must strive to overcome this behavior and help people to correct their stance.

The three great Abrahamic religions are based on the worship of one God without any form of partnership, and brings discipline among human beings to live in peace, harmony and love. The division created by homosexuality behavior induces differences, which may lead to irreligious behavior and disunity, breaking the discipline that has built this country to be a great nation.

I.A. Jilani

Augusta

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karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 10:38 am
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@InChristLove

So let me get this straight.

The part about the dimensions of the cistern are "fudgy numbers". That makes the days in Genesis "fudgy numbers" too, right?

What else is fudgy in the Bible?

grouse
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grouse 05/13/13 - 10:46 am
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Eating shrimp is a sin.
Unpublished

Eating shrimp is a sin. Remarriage is adultery. Killing your neighbor for working on a Sunday is encouraged. Why do you Christians focus only on homosexuality?

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 10:56 am
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@InChristLove

What was the "due penalty" Paul wrote of in Romans 1:25-27?

Was it a frowny-face sticker?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 10:56 am
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Not fudgy at all if you

Not fudgy at all if you understand the Word. Nothing is fudgy except your understanding of scripture.

A detail explanation is too long for here but you can go here to get your answer "to get you straight". It explains it much clear than I could.

http://creation.com/does-the-bible-say-pi-equals-3

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faithson 05/13/13 - 11:07 am
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perspective

I put this discussion of interpreting reality along with the 'Galelio' conundrum. The good book says the earth is the center and it only took 400 years for an apology. Many wonderful tenents come out of the good book, but on this one I hope it doesn't take as long to rectify.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 11:13 am
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karradur, In Romans, Paul is

karradur, In Romans, Paul is speaking about the Gentiles and heathens in Rome who had completely turned from God, worshiping idols. The due penalty is that He turned them over to their unnatural lust for one another and gave them an undiscerning mind. No wonder they thought it was normal....in their undiscerning mind they couldn't tell the difference. Sounds much like today I fear. May God have mercy on our soul when we get to a point that we turn completely from God.....there does come a time when God washes His hands of those who completely deny Him.

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 11:16 am
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@InChristLove

"The due penalty is that He turned them over to their unnatural lust for one another and gave them an undiscerning mind."

So... God punished them by turning them gay.

And being gay is punishable by God.

I'm so glad you're here to be the voice of God because this book sure isn't doing a very good job of explaining it to me.

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Little Lamb 05/13/13 - 11:22 am
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Choice

Karradur asked back on the first page of comments:

When did you choose to be straight? Tell me about when you were a child and you consciously decided to be sexually aroused by the opposite gender.

For me it was watching Annette Funicello on Walt Disney’s Mickey Mouse Club TV program.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 11:24 am
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faithson, why do you assume

faithson, why do you assume that this biblical stance on homosexual behavior will ever be rectified. Quit possibly interpretation of scripture is accurrate and no rectification is necessary.....now wouldn't that throw a monkey wrench into the whole "it's all about me" senario. Don't you find it odd that all through scripture, not once is a homosexual relationship mention (other in a worldly or sinful context). All thought Christ instructions on marriage, family, household, He always mentions husband and wife, mother and father, in the context of male being husband and father, and female being mother and wife? Why do you suppose that is?

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scoopdedoop64 05/13/13 - 11:29 am
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@GAD

I didn't say homosexuals can "pray away the gay". However, through God's help homosexuals can learn not to act out their homosexual tendencies. Just as people have tendencies for many different sins God can help control their urges. I offer no condemnation to homosexuals but I do love them and believe that after receiving Christ they have within them a new nature and strength to overcome. I have experienced and seen the power and love of Jesus to change me and my sinful habits so I believe He can help anyone who desires it.

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 11:31 am
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@InChristLove

"Don't you find it odd that all through scripture, not once is a homosexual relationship mention[ed] (other in a worldly or sinful context)[?]"

David literally told Jonathan he loved him more than any woman in the Song of the Bow in 1 Samuel.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 11:35 am
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There's that undiscerning

There's that undiscerning mind issue.......

"So... God punished them by turning them gay.

And being gay is punishable by God."

No Karradur......God did not punish them by turning them gay....they were conducting homosexual acts already. God doesn't turn anyone gay. People choose to have homosexual sex, just like people choose to do any other type of sin. Yes, conducting homosexual acts is punishable by God....all sin is punishable by God.

Thanks for the snide remark but need to inform you, I am not the voice of God, only his lowly servant. You do not understand the Word because the Word is not in you, simple as that.

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 11:35 am
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@Fiat_Lux

Commandment Four, about not working on Sundays, is violated literally every Sunday in America. There is no governmental prohibition against it.

And you've NEVER eaten at a restaurant on a Sunday, have you?

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 11:38 am
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@InChristLove

So he punishes them by doing nothing about it.

...

Either there's a punishment for being gay, or there isn't.

In the Old Testament, it was death.

Is there a punishment in the New Testament? If so, what is it? Is it different from the Old Testament?

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 11:40 am
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@Fiat_Lux

So, the Ten Commandments are still in effect, but not the rest of the Law of Moses?

Where does it say that?

Is it where Jesus repeats five of the ten but leaves out the other five?

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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 11:44 am
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LOL "David literally told

LOL "David literally told Jonathan he loved him more than any woman in the Song of the Bow in 1 Samuel"

So you are saying because David told Jonathan he loved him more than any woman that made him gay.

David was so gay that he seduce Bathsheba, a beautiful woman, arranged to have her husband killed, and had a child by her.

karradur
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karradur 05/13/13 - 11:45 am
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@InChristLove

Bisexuality is a thing, you know.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 11:52 am
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Clueless..... "So he punishes

Clueless.....

"So he punishes them by doing nothing about it."

By turning them over to their own lust IS the punishment. What, you want Him to take away your free will and force you to behave and not sin? Punishment is death under the old covenant and new covenant but the difference under the New Covenant is that there is forgiveness after repentance and the penalty has already been paid through the death of Christ. If you choose to deny Christ, not accept his forgiveness and free gift of life, then physical death and damnation is the penalty. Everyone has a choice and He allows you to make it.

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 05/13/13 - 11:57 am
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@Karradur

You remind me of a man driving his car at 90 miles an hour and sees a sign that says Bridge out but he says how can the bridge be out that just doesn't make sense? So he keeps driving. Then he sees another sign that says "Beware, Danger, Stop, Turn around". He says "why should I stop because there is no reason the bridge is not there. Crazy people put up those signs just to keep me from getting home. How dare they tell me what to do." So He keeps driving right off into the lake. As He is sinking into the water. He thinks to himself this is just not fair. What I am saying is this, you can keep trying to debate all these issues of the Bible or you can simply just trust Jesus Christ and let Him save you from your sin. The choice is yours but the signs are in front of you: Believe and be saved.

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karradur 05/13/13 - 12:03 pm
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@scoopdedoop

I always liked how Christianity has a planar cosmology like Dungeons & Dragons does. I think that's cute.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 12:08 pm
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karradur....does God's word

karradur....does God's word ever say David and Jonathan ever had a sexual relationship? Did they ever live together as husband and husband? You got any scriptural proof that David and Jonathan was anything other than two men who were as close as brothers (lets say maybe the kind of relationship twins might have)?

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Fiat_Lux 05/13/13 - 12:11 pm
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No, I don't eat out on Sundays.

We have food after Divine Liturgy and then eat something at home later, but not because of some law forbidding working, walking, lighting candles, etc., on Sunday. We just don't do that particular thing.

I do not care in the least if you think I'm a bad Christian. I do not think you are capable, at this point, of understanding the New Covenant, but perhaps that will change. You don't understand what a Christian even is, much less what makes one faithful or unfaithful.

One thing you really don't get is that Sunday is not, in fact, the Jewish Sabbath, the day of rest. It is the Day of the Resurrection, first day of the New Creation, the Day that has no end. Why don't you try to get your mind around that one.

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InChristLove 05/13/13 - 12:15 pm
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Because it would take too

Because it would take too long to go into detail and explanation, here is a link Karradur you can read that explans the Old Covenant, the 10 Commandments, and the New Covenant. Why we have no need to follow some of the Levitical laws, why we still hold true to the 10 Commandments and how we are blessed to be under the New Covenant. My guess is you'll ignore this and move on to another topic because you'll see how incorrect your think is. Oh and by the way, if Fiat_Lux eats at a restaurant on Sunday makes no difference (unless she is a Jew) and their Sabbath would be on Saturday.

http://exploringthefaith.com/2012/01/19/old-testament-law/

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karradur 05/13/13 - 12:17 pm
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@Fiat_LuxYou're the one who

@Fiat_Lux

You're the one who hasn't answered my question about the Ten Commandments.

If you want to stop playing misdirection games, that's fine, but it has to go both ways.

@InChristLove

I'm just telling you what the book says. It does not specifically say "David and Jonathan were totally gay for each other".

But again, you want to have it both ways with insinuation and approximation. The measurements of the cistern in the Temple of Solomon are implied to not be precise. But the fact that the Bible doesn't say the words "and yea, David was in love with Jonathan; and they abandoned their wives and ranneth off together into the sunset" means that it didn't happen?

Fudgy numbers, fudgy facts, it's whatever you want it to be, really! Some parts are literal, some parts are metaphorical. Which parts? The parts we decide!

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WalterBradfordCannon 05/13/13 - 12:18 pm
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@ICL, I fail to see any

@ICL, I fail to see any degree to which you can be convinced. The bible is insanely clear that wives are to be subjugated to their husbands, and this clarity is the subject of many formal statements by Christian Churches. Marriage is not an equal pact in the eyes of the bible. It is a pact in which the woman serves the man.

An accepted Southern Baptist convention statement is ""a wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband." More than one member church has rejected this call (I'm guessing the word servant ticked someone off).

The Holy Catholic Church teaches through Scripture and Tradition that the husband is the head of his family and has God-given authority over his wife and children. [Not equal, but over]

Greek Orthodox: According to Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition, the leader in a marriage is the husband. Again, the words of Saint Paul: The husband is the head of the wife... He is the leader. He represents the principle of authority in the family.

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The problem I have with this is that half the time, statistically speaking, the wife will be MORE intelligent than the husband, and will be the better logical choice for authority. It is bigotry inherited through historical tradition from an age in which physical strength mattered more than intellectual ability.

And to go back to the point at hand. Biblical stances are often wrong, and this wrongness is exposed through changes in our society and science. Just as it is WRONG to automatically subjugate a woman to her husband (instead of considering them equals), it is WRONG to automatically castigate homosexuals. There are reverent and good homosexuals, just like heterosexuals. There are good homosexuals who love each other and want to devote the rest of their lives to each other. These people should be embraced and uplifted, and not thrown out. Love and devotion between pairs of humans is a beautiful thing irrespective of sexual orientation, just as lust and adultery is always an ugly thing irrespective of sexual orientation.

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karradur 05/13/13 - 12:19 pm
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I also like how only one

I also like how only one person (Riverman1) has pointed out that everyone else is literally defending a letter to the editor that cites the Qur'an as authority, which I think is a first in the history of the Chronicle.

So Islam is completely wrong, except for when it serves to bolster your hatred.

Okay, got it!

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Bizkit 05/13/13 - 12:20 pm
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Fiat, Without the Holy Spirit

Fiat, Without the Holy Spirit a person will never understand the Bible. It will all be gibberish. I read it three times before the age of 45 to feed my anti-christian ideology and try to open students eyes to their folly. Never occured to me "I" might be wrong.

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karradur 05/13/13 - 12:21 pm
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@nofanofobama

I'm actually a big fan of Jesus. The problem is that almost nobody that claims to believe in Him ever actually listens to what He taught.

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BamaMan 05/13/13 - 12:35 pm
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All I'm going to say here...

is whether you believe in God and the inspired Word or not, will not exempt you from Judgment Day. Some seem to think if they don't believe in God, they will just turn to dust upon death. God gave us a Book to live by, whether you believe in that or not either. And if we do not live by it, Judgment Day won't be a happy one; and on that Day, there will be alot of otherwise nice people, quite surprised. No one is perfect, there was only one of those, Christ, which is why he died, to give us sinners a chance of Heaven. God loves ALL of us, he just hates sin. But like our earthly parents, he will punish them that did not follow Him.

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Bizkit 05/13/13 - 12:35 pm
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No and a man and wife aren't

No and a man and wife aren't an equal pact. It states women are to honor their husbands and men to love their wives-perhaps its because men have no honor or women aren't lovable??? NO. Basically read it carefully it states a man is suppose to treat his wife like Christ-which means man is the servant of the wife. A bunch of rednecks always want to pervert that into a women is my property- like cattle. Which isn't what it states at all. So let me get this straight (no pun intended) the gay supporters want everyone to accept them but it's OK for them to hate christians??? Christians are suppose to love their enemies-are gays their enemy? I don't think so but we are quick to point out sin-which we have been forgiven for-but I have yet to meet a Christian who has quit practicing sin themselves. The church I attend is full of adulterers and it seems like wife-swap with the turnover. So it seems we should all keep our own houses in order before we start yelling at each other about our actions. It reminds me of a bunch of rabbis arguing over the Torah-only for God to intervene to correct them, and they blow him off to continue their own arguments.

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