Family cohesion is weakening

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Is the small drop in national unemployment figures anything to cheer about? Hardly.

Along with population growth, we are experiencing a shrinking work force. Low- and middle-income jobs have decreased while more people have moved into a government-subsidized living standard with no loss of disposable income. It does not pay for a $38,000-a-year worker to seek an outside job if he can replace most if not all of that through taxpayer-financed multitudes of welfare programs.

In this “me” generation with teenagers having babies, no worry – Uncle Sam will collect from the rich to pay you. Before family cohesion broke down, some governments would pay a family a subsidy for additional children to reverse their negative birth rate and maintain a healthy nation.

With our great and divisive debate about abortion, the pro-life advocates (mostly men) lament the loss of thousands of babies. Yes, a tragedy – but I see none of these people stand up and apply to adopt an unwanted child.

It’s more than hypocrisy, I am sure. Why do some people go to Russia or South America to adopt children? Is there no national policy for child adoption? A bureaucratic nightmare? Abortion clinics should not be the first or second stop. Some great American citizens have grown up in orphanages such as Father Flanagan’s Boys Town in Nebraska and others who surpass the love and quality of life of some irresponsible single parents.

Regardless of the laws, there always will be abortions. Put your efforts into alternative solutions.

S.G. von Schweinitz

Appling

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InChristLove 04/28/13 - 05:45 pm
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After re-reading my comment I

After re-reading my comment I think it's best to explain my first paragraph. Although I think it is an excellent idea for parents and teens to discuss sexual matters, doing so does not automatically mean that we will have less teen pregnancies or abortions. It is also important for parents to teach their children, self pride, confidence, and not to be followers of the crowd as well as self control.....then we will see a reduction in premarital sex, pregnancies, as well as abortions.

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faithson 04/28/13 - 06:00 pm
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the horse has left the barn... the ship has sailed...

Idealogues have some facination with getting 'back' to something that never really existed, as if there was a time... storybook tales, all. Always interesting how so many do NOT want to discuss the 'reality' of our times, thinking that their high mindedness is 'the' answer. The only way forward is the use of science. The non-emotional, in your face, facts that science can bring to bear on the problems at hand. coulda, woulda, shoulda is old school. Never a time in human history where, 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure' has so much meaning.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/13 - 06:20 pm
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"My friend, the "stigma" has

"My friend, the "stigma" has long since been removed! And as you can tell, the results have been astounding!"
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Astounding indeed. From America's highest teen birth rate in 1957, we have seen steady declines, with the exception of a brief climb in the early 90's, to today's HISTORICALLY LOW teen birth rate. Astounding.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.htm

I bet that's a fact those expounding on the moral decline keep very quiet.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 07:03 pm
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@burninater - “Astounding

@burninater - “Astounding indeed. From America's highest teen birth rate in 1957, we have seen steady declines, with the exception of a brief climb in the early 90's, to today's HISTORICALLY LOW teen birth rate. Astounding.”

Nothing like cold hard facts. Cold and hard they are. Of course, the CDC which you link, does not consider “undocumented” future citizens, but hey, who's to quibble?

Speaking of cold hard facts, what do you suppose the cost to the country's psyche has been? An indifference to life? A corrosion of manners, culture, and caring? A sense of personal entitlement no matter the consequences to others and self?

It's like trying to measure the effects of an 1% tax increase on the economy. When you can grasp water with your hand, then you can measure all the consequences.

I suggest an indifference to life will have consequences never fully measured. But hey, certain people have no wish to even try and measure said consequences.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/13 - 07:20 pm
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Considering that the number

Considering that the number of "undocumented" teens would be less than 3% of the teen population, that would be a heck of a quibble.

And indifference to life? May I remind you that it was a great moral generation that tested hydrogen bombs on civilian populations, killing hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children?

People sure have a funny sense of moral perversion.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 07:51 pm
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burn, surely you can do better than that

What do you suppose the loss of life would've been had the bombs not been dropped? We were in a war. Our leaders did they're sworn, constitutional duty (now there's a concept!) to protect. I know that the National Socialist Party and Imperial Japan was something many in our country wished (and still do) to emulate, bone up on your history if you doubt me. The LP's were big supporters of Hitler, Mussolini, and to a lesser extent, Hirohito.

No way of really knowing how many lives were saved. Maybe only 50 thousand Americans and allies and another 100 thousand of the enemy. Some would call that "justification", much like the killing of innocents for convenience sake. Much like planned parenthood's refusal to discredit Dr. Gosnell. Justification for the "greater good".

Yes, I agree, some people have a funny sense of moral perversion. It's all nice and good to TRY and be a good world citizen. It's much nicer and "gooder" to uphold your sworn oath.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/13 - 08:00 pm
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What do you suppose the loss

What do you suppose the loss of life would've been had the bombs not been dropped?
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Considering the Japanese had such a depleted war footing that their primary offense was to fly planes into ships, it was really no secret that hostilities were near an end. Even if they were at full strength, the deliberate targeting of civilian populations in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS was pure evil, pure murder, and showed a complete disdain for human life. "Constitutional duty"? That's the moral excuse for such a depraved act? That's a cowardly dodge for trying to avoid responsibility for such a despicable act.

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specsta 04/28/13 - 08:15 pm
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Stigma

Young Fred wrote - "What planet do you live on? My friend, the "stigma" has long since been removed! And as you can tell, the results have been astounding!"

Then I challenge you to set up a booth at the next public event held downtown and hand out free condoms and STD literature to every teen you see. Note the reactions of people.

If there's no stigma regarding human sexuality, why do women still have to battle ignorance regarding breastfeeding their baby in public? If there's no stigma, why are children allowed to see violence but not nudity? If there's no stigma, why are "sex offenders" listed and published for all the world to see, but a convicted murderer could live next door to you and you'd never know it?

If there's no stigma, why did the FCC fine a network for Janet Jackson's nipple, but the nightly news can show bodies blown to bits and encounter barely a yawn?

If there's no stigma, why is prostitution illegal in most of the US, but is legal and regulated in most of the civilized world? If there is no stigma regarding human sexuality, why does organized religion think that a woman's choice of wardrobe determines her intelligence or spirituality?

There is plenty of stigma around, and that is the problem. Until human sexuality is viewed no different from other facets of human biology, ignorance and its repercussions will continue to make a tragic march in young people's lives.

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InChristLove 04/28/13 - 08:25 pm
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stigma "1.A mark of disgrace

stigma "1.A mark of disgrace associated with a particular circumstance".

There is no disgrace associated with our human sexuality. Just because we still have a sense of human dignity, privacy, and a sense of morality, does not mean that there is a stigma.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 08:37 pm
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Hmmm, don't know much about

Hmmm, don't know much about Japan's legendary samurai spirit I take it? Do you think we had on hand enough of a navy to completely encircle and cut-off Japan? And I take it you think the trading of hundreds of thousands enemy for tens of thousands Americans was evil?

Maybe you actually believe we could've simply come home, left Japan to it's "depleted war footing", and they would've sued for peace?

Much a student of the public school system?

Don't get me wrong, it was a holocaust seldom discussed, but the American lives saved was the price we paid. A steep price, or not? As much as modern thought would have us believe we're all world citizens, we can't possibly police the world. For good or naught. Because we can't and don't have the moral authority to impose what we all may believe is for the best, we can't and shouldn't attempt to trade American lives for others, no matter how much we believe all to be equal.

It is not possible, therefore the utmost responsibility of our "rulers" is to protect American lives. If they don't, they've failed their sworn responsibility.

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specsta 04/28/13 - 08:41 pm
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Morality

ICL wrote - "Just because we still have a sense of human dignity, privacy, and a sense of morality, does not mean that there is a stigma."

Then why is this not applied to violence? People embrace violence in this country like it's a blanket in winter. Violent actions, violent images, vengeance, retaliation, an eye-for-an-eye, fist fights, bar fights, police brutality, wars, torture, inhumane prisons - and the list goes on.

Embracing human sexuality and the acceptance of the intricate beauty of the human body is the most dignified, moral thing that one could do. It is, of course, a reflection of God's perfect artistry.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 08:57 pm
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ICL

My eleven year old was just telling me a few months back that we are animals, I said yes, we are, but also we are much more.

That's the difference between homo sapiens and mere animals, our ability to reason. And there's a difference between even homosaps, our opinions from each other.

Some would say we are mere animals, and as a dog can rut in a ditch whenever the urge strikes us, so can "we". I say we are more than rutting dogs.

But I'm sure "some" in the scientific community would disagree.

I tell you what specta, burn, etal - you go right ahead and argue we should ditch rut if we want, with proper "protection" of course, it's just natural, why fight the urge, as long as you've a trojen on hand? But if you try to teach my child it's just nature and OkeyDokey, your going to have more resistence than you can fathom. Thank God, I live in an area where ditch rutting is yet unaccepted. Try to remake the CSRA as Seattle or San Fran, and your going to get even more resistence.

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burninater 04/28/13 - 08:56 pm
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Much a student of the public

Much a student of the public school system?
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One of the excellent lessons I learned from an outstanding public school history teacher was the importance of consulting primary sources:

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children." Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman.

No offense, but I will defer to the expertise of the Fleet Admirals actually conducting the war. Their statements directly contradict the assertions that the atomic bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were miltary necessities.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 09:23 pm
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Well now

burn, That's a horse of a different color!

Ya see, I've read volumns on WWII, including but not limited to Ambrose, Keegan, Kagan, Kennedy, Pratt, and Fuller. Some might claim they were just regurgitating the accepted narrative, but all of the above seem to have no problem pointing out the "warts" of our military decisions and consequences. Perhaps this particular decision was so horrendous that none could bring themselves to print the truth?

Or perhaps, as with any stupendous historical event, you'll always find somebody with a conspiracy theory just too juicy to pass up. Big money talks! There's always someone to pay bucks, and "lap up" anything that confirms their America is scum world view.

To be fair, xenophobes do have a bigger library to pull from. But hey, "xenophobe" is really just catch all term for anybody that believes we've helped more than we've harmed.

I'd be very interested in reading your source.

burninater
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burninater 04/28/13 - 10:06 pm
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The Nimitz quote: Public

The Nimitz quote: Public statement quoted in The New York Times (6 October 1945), and in The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb (1996) by Gar Alperovitz.

The Leahy quote was from his own text: William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.

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Gage Creed 04/28/13 - 10:13 pm
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Specsta.. Why is there sex

Specsta..

Why is there sex trafficing in many parts of the world and even here?
Why are there "honor" killings and mutilation of the women in many parts of the world?
Why do so many practice genital mutilation?

As always your policy is blame America first...Why do I even bother...

burninater
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burninater 04/28/13 - 10:53 pm
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I tell you what specta, burn,

I tell you what specta, burn, etal - you go right ahead and argue we should ditch rut if we want, with proper "protection" of course
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Just saw this.

Are you claiming that human sexuality has only two states -- ditch rut vs whatever it is you consider to be not ditch rut? Unless you're doing what Young Fred's doing, it's ditch rut? You might want to clarify this position.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 11:06 pm
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As I understand it, Japan

As I understand it, Japan more or less stated leave us alone and the islands we currently occupy, and we'll quit. This was an "informal" offering made through Russia.

Hindsight being 20/20 maybe it was an authentic offering. Or, as the Prez considered, it was viewed as an attempt to dupe, a stalling action in order to "beef up" it's defenses, and hopefully re-tool for a new offense. The "Samari factor", or the pledge to "never give up, no, not to the last man, women or child alive".

Had we seen anything to this point to believe they didn't take that pledge seriously?

It's real easy to sit here, and second guess, without the fog of war. EVERY single military decision made had its naysayers. Every one!

Truman would've had to been a heartless B, purely bent on revenge to make this decision without considering the ramifications. Or he had to have been a LEADER, not taking chances where American lives were concerned.

Much like Lincoln and Grant, doing what was necessary, no matter how distasteful in order to bring about an end to war.

It's been a long time since we've had leaders of the caliber of Truman or Lincoln. One has to wonder, if we had hand wringers equating to our current admin, would we even be having this conversation?

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 11:33 pm
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'Are you claiming that human

'Are you claiming that human sexuality has only two states'

I'm claiming that for the most part, minors don't fully understand, the potential consequences of their actions. That society is shoving down their throats (so to speak) that ditch rutting, friends with benefits, no need to get serious, if it feels good do it (with protection of course!), and if something "unwanted" was to happen, it's no more of an inconvenience than a trip (without their parents knowledge) to the local clinic.

Ditch rut, woods wallow, party pass-a-long, it's OK, because burn and people with his/her belief says it's ok, and our gov't in its "wisdom" can fix it if we don't like the consequences. Its just natural after all, birds, bees, dogs.

I'm not suggesting that nature won't take its course, I am suggesting that a little stigma, a little owning up, will go a long ways towards limiting potentially life altering consequences.

There is only one 100% sure contraceptive I know of, and that is something I hope no young person has to live with for the rest of their life.

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burninater 04/28/13 - 11:35 pm
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"It's real easy to sit here,

"It's real easy to sit here, and second guess, without the fog of war. EVERY single military decision made had its naysayers. Every one!"
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It is. It is much harder to second guess the military judgment of the Fleet Admirals actually conducting the war activity.

"I'm not suggesting that nature won't take its course, I am suggesting that a little stigma, a little owning up, will go a long ways towards limiting potentially life altering consequences."

Education is an alternate strategy to stigma. At what point did I ever say that sexuality should be treated as an inconsequential ditch rut? Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 11:53 pm
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Fleet admirals were not privy

Fleet admirals were not privy to the totality of the world theater and the politics involved, just the parts those in the know deemed they should know. A president used their military judgement for miltiary matters. As in what will it take to defeat, how long will it take, what are the assets involved? It is the commander and chiefs final decision as to how it should be done. He (hopefully) has all the relevent knowledge needed to make a final decision, knowledge that certain commanders may or may not be privy to.

"Education"? As in if tab P is placed in slot V, B may result? And if B results, a trip to the local clinic (just talk to the schools counciler, but NOT your mom or dad) will make everything right as rain? Repeat if you must, it's only nature and nature is beautiful?

No, education as to the biology, AND stigma would be the ideal.

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AutumnLeaves 05/01/13 - 02:50 pm
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burninator

burninator, I already explained why the perception exists that pro-life people aren't necessarily adopting children: because for decades it was a confidential matter, so it couldn't be proven or disproven. Over the years, it was pro-life people I came to know who I eventually found were adopting, confidentially. I did not find that to be true of the people I knew that had abortions or supported abortion. They were more inclined to have either no children, sometimes saying there were too many people being born for the world to sustain, others having at the most, 1 or 2 children. It is not likely you are going to find true statistics for the matter of adoption, since that is for most, still confidential. If you are going to say pro-life people aren't adopting, you prove it. My experience is they are the very ones most likely to adopt.

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