Family cohesion is weakening

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Is the small drop in national unemployment figures anything to cheer about? Hardly.

Along with population growth, we are experiencing a shrinking work force. Low- and middle-income jobs have decreased while more people have moved into a government-subsidized living standard with no loss of disposable income. It does not pay for a $38,000-a-year worker to seek an outside job if he can replace most if not all of that through taxpayer-financed multitudes of welfare programs.

In this “me” generation with teenagers having babies, no worry – Uncle Sam will collect from the rich to pay you. Before family cohesion broke down, some governments would pay a family a subsidy for additional children to reverse their negative birth rate and maintain a healthy nation.

With our great and divisive debate about abortion, the pro-life advocates (mostly men) lament the loss of thousands of babies. Yes, a tragedy – but I see none of these people stand up and apply to adopt an unwanted child.

It’s more than hypocrisy, I am sure. Why do some people go to Russia or South America to adopt children? Is there no national policy for child adoption? A bureaucratic nightmare? Abortion clinics should not be the first or second stop. Some great American citizens have grown up in orphanages such as Father Flanagan’s Boys Town in Nebraska and others who surpass the love and quality of life of some irresponsible single parents.

Regardless of the laws, there always will be abortions. Put your efforts into alternative solutions.

S.G. von Schweinitz

Appling

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myfather15
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myfather15 04/28/13 - 06:03 am
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"Yes, a tragedy – but I see

"Yes, a tragedy – but I see none of these people stand up and apply to adopt an unwanted child."

Thats because liberals have flooded the system with so much political correctness and RED TAPE, it takes forever to adopt a child. I personally know several couples who have adopted and some that are on waiting lists a mile long. Many have given up because it's simply FAR to expensive for their budgets. The average adoption in this Country costs $20,000-$30,000 (See link below). I don't know about you, but I certainly would NEVER be able to pay that amount; even if I wanted to adopt. This is why people are adopting from oversees, because they are frustrated with the system here. Plus, they want to help those children in those Countries have a better life; which is honorable.

But, as with most issues with LP's; it's about politics and pushing an agenda. If adoptions were EASY, it would lesson the need for abortions (not good for LP's). They LOVE to tout these babies as unwanted burdens upon people. When it just isn't true; they certainly are NOT unwanted. There are plenty of people who would LOVE to adopt a child but can't afford to. Just like with our immigration and tax system, we need to simplify it and it could be fixed. But NOTHING is simple with LP's. They've got to keep things confusing to the people, because if the people are continually confused; they will continue to NEED the brilliant LP's to guide them.

Also, with the LP's political correctness is ALWAYS the priority, no matter how stupid it is. In regions of the Country, they have minority quota's (including gays) they must meet before adopting to those same old white man and woman couples. Man, isn't that just sooooo boring; the same old tired couples where there is just man and woman and especially when they are just white. They've got to add some spice in the mix there. Straight white couples are so cliche these days. Shouldn't they at least throw some bi-sexuality in there; maybe a third party in there for a three some? Anyway; let me get control of myself and back to the point.

MANY times there are couples,usually straight and white; that have to remain on a waiting list for up to two years because the agencies haven't met their quotas. There might be a child available for adoption, but they don't have a qualified minority candidate; so that child will have to wait. This is just insanity; but thats exactly what the political correctness gives us. Political correctness WILL eventually destroy this Country; and the masters/creators of political correctness (LP's) will be grinning from ear to ear because they can then REBUILD this Country in the image they've wanted for a very long time.

http://www.justmommies.com/articles/adoption-cost.shtml

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Bodhisattva 04/28/13 - 07:31 am
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Do people even read the links

Do people even read the links they post? The correct line is: "adoptions generally cost between $20,000-30,000". NOT, I repeat NOT "the average adoption in this country". The next line is:
"The survey found that “the majority of domestic newborn adoptions cost less than $25,000, while more than 75 percent of international adoptions cost more than $20,000." Ooops.

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deestafford 04/28/13 - 08:22 am
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Great comment by myfather15

I believe we should bring back orphanages. Children would be much better off there than in foster homes or homes of single mothers who have to live off the state. If a person brings a child into the world and cannot support it without state assistance it would go to an orphanage where it would be schoolled, taught responsibiltiy, and taught a love of America.

I think it was he great Founding Father Benjamin Franklin who said the best way to reduce poverty is to make it hurt to be poor. When you are hurting you do all you can to stop the hurt. I believe there are some people who deserve assistance because of emotional or physical problems; but, for the greatest country in the history of the world to have 20% of the population mooching on food stamps and the Department of Agriculture advertising for more people, to include illegals, to apply for food stamps is a traversity of justice. Of course, when you have a president who sincerely believes the only reason some people are successful and well off is because they stole it from the poor.

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RMSHEFF 04/28/13 - 08:41 am
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Once again, government regulation

Once again, government regulation and red tape have caused the adoption process to be so long, difficult and expensive many don't even try. Hey, sounds like ObamaCare ! Involve the federal government in something good and the destruction soon starts. I can't wait to hear all the excuses and blame when Obamacare fails.....the republicans did it !

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palmetto1008 04/28/13 - 08:50 am
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Bring back orphanages? Yeah,

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Bring back orphanages? Yeah, those were a raving success. Some folks need to renew their library cards and use them.

myfather15
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myfather15 04/28/13 - 09:44 am
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@bodhisattva

What exactly does "generally" mean? It means as a rule, or predominately, primarily, usually; so basically you could also say ON AVERAGE.

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted the meaning of "generally" but I was accurate in what I said.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/generally

Also, you quoted ""The survey found that “the majority of domestic newborn adoptions cost less than $25,000, while more than 75 percent of international adoptions cost more than $20,000." Ooops."

Well, correct me if I'm wrong but I said the average adoption costs between $20,000.00 and $30,000.00.

The study said the majority of domestic newborn adoptions cost less than $25,000.00. Ok, $24, 999.00 would be less than 25 thousand, but still between 20k and 30k, correct? $21, 595.00 would be below 25k, but still between the 20k-30k I quoted, so where was I wrong?? Can you please point to my inaccuracies?

I also NEVER stated foreign adoptions were cheaper, only that people are adopting from oversees because they are frustrated with the system AND they want to help give a better life to those children. Again, where was I inaccurate?

See, this is what I'm talking about; LP's are so blinded by their ideology, they can't even see when they are completely wrong. You think you "Got me"; hence the "Ooops" but your own comment just solidified my point. The average adoption DOES cost between 20k-30k in this Country. That is INSANE!! If a decent family goes through all the background checks, drug tests, ect; passes all of them AND proves the have a decent home and able to provide financially for the child; we should be GIVING the child to them, not making them pay enormous amounts to adopt.

Yes, I realize there are hospital costs, case worker costs, costs of drug testing, background checks, etc. But these people are trying to HELP society AND this child by bringing them into a decent, safe home. We SHOULD be helping them ANYWAY possible. We shouldn't require they pay all these expenses. BUT; this wouldn't help to LP's goal to continue to slaughter innocent unborn children.

So Bodhisattva; Ooops to you in your feable attempt to catch me using inaccuracies. Try harder next time.

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t3bledsoe 04/28/13 - 10:01 am
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Great LTE gets right down to the point !

My wife and I have 1 child; a daughter. We lost another potential member of our family to a mis-carrage. With all due respect to the meaning of this LTE, I don't see how ANYBODY affords any more than a maximum of two children. I feel for the countless orphans arround the world, but for those families that are generous and open-minded enough to adopt, THE POWERS THAT BE NEED TO MAKE THIS PROCESS MUCH, MUCH EASIER !

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Bodhisattva 04/28/13 - 10:05 am
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Yeah right. The spin begins.

Yeah right. The spin begins.

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Bodhisattva 04/28/13 - 10:32 am
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Illegals may apply for food

Illegals may apply for food stamps but they'd be wasting their time since they are banned by law from receiving them.

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deestafford 04/28/13 - 10:33 am
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There were many great orphanages.

A great example was the Bethesda Home for Boys in Savannah. Of course, if they were reestablished and run by the worshippers of PC and the hate America crowd that are ruining our schools with things such as the Common Core orphanages would be nothing more than government reeducation facilities.

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faithson 04/28/13 - 11:10 am
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talk about 'off the wall'...

'If a person brings a child into the world and cannot support it without state assistance it would go to an orphanage where it would be schoolled, taught responsibiltiy, and taught a love of America.'

'taught love' being an especially interesting and misguided idea.

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faithson 04/28/13 - 11:19 am
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an especially good axiom for many on these lists....

' The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained.'

long winded diatribes being especially relavant to this 'reality'.

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burninater 04/28/13 - 11:35 am
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Myfather, let's take care not

Myfather, let's take care not to raise the point that LP programs provide funding to families that foster children. That would undermine the ridiculous notion, provided with zero evidence, that the cost of adoptions are artificially inflated by an LP conspiracy to promote abortions.

Let's further not point out the absurdly obvious point that high adoption costs create zero abortion incentive, since the woman receiving the abortion is not paying for the adoption alternative.

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grouse 04/28/13 - 11:46 am
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Public assistance replace a

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Public assistance replace a $38,000 job? Where is the alternate world?

myfather15
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myfather15 04/28/13 - 02:08 pm
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Of cousre; it's certainly not

Of cousre; it's certainly not obvious that LESS people trying to adopt, could result in MORE abortions. Why that is absurd. It's not even possible that a women who just found out shes pregnant; realizes she can't afford to support the baby; checks into adoption but finds the process is extremely complicated; Yep, there is no way she might have an abortion instead; impossible. Yes sir, that liberal education sure does work, doesn't it.

Yes sir, I can solve millennial equations, the Navier-Stokes equation but I can't figure 2+2 because that requires COMMON sense. Burn, bottom line is that some things you just don't need proof of; besides the proof your own two eyes give you, and that thing that takes up space between your ears.

myfather15
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myfather15 04/28/13 - 02:14 pm
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@bodhisattva

"Yeah right. The spin begins."

Thats it? Thats all you could muster up to come back with? You accuse ME of spinning when all I did was bust your shady math skills?
Well, stick a fork in this one; because he is done. You know you've won the debate when they can't think of anything better than this.

Since you started this; I will ask again; please point out the inaccuracies between my original post and the link I used. Tell me where I was misleading or inaccurate. Thanks; I'll be waiting for your response.

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myfather15 04/28/13 - 02:19 pm
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@Burninator

Oooh yes; I almost forgot that I need to give credit to the LP's for funding foster parents. Yes, Yes, Yes; it's certainly ALWAYS the LP's who are responsible for everything GOOD in society. Certainly conservatives have absolutely nothing to do with funding foster parents. LP's are absolutely responsible for ALL good which happens in America and conservatives; especially those evil christian conservatives are responsible for everything bad, like slavery, sexism, bigotry, etc. LP's are unaccountable for anything bad but certainly responsible for anything good. Sound about right Burn? Good, I thought I would clear that up for everyone.

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Bodhisattva 04/28/13 - 02:20 pm
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Those were covered for me in

Those were covered for me in the original post. Thank you.

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InChristLove 04/28/13 - 02:22 pm
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Excuse me...potential family

Excuse me...potential family member?

"We lost another potential member of our family to a mis-carrage."

Whether a child is lost due to miscarriage, stillbirth, or some other determining factor, that child, once conceived IS A PART OF YOUR FAMILY.

Sad to think that just because a child does not make it to the delivery date that some how, that child is not important enough to be considered your child.

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InChristLove 04/28/13 - 02:31 pm
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"' The argumentative defense

"' The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained.'"

A flat out lie if I ever heard one.

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burninater 04/28/13 - 02:44 pm
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Myfather, adoption is

Myfather, adoption is complicated for the childbearer? Ridiculous.

"Now nationwide, all 50 states have safe haven laws, with Alaska and Nebraska enacting their own safe haven laws in 2008. You should look at your own state's Safe Haven Law for more details, as they do vary from state to state.

Safe Haven Law Basics:

In general, Safe Haven Laws allow a parent to anonymously leave an unwanted newborn baby in a safe place, such as a hospital, emergency medical services, police station, or fire station, and not have to worry about getting in trouble. The baby will then be given to the state's child welfare department."

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/newbornsandbabies/p/06_safe_haven.htm

What do LP's have to do with foster care finance? This.

"The federal government has, since 1961, shared the cost of foster care services with States. Prior to this time foster care was entirely a State responsibility. Since its very first days foster care funding was intimately linked to federal welfare benefits, then known as the Aid to Dependent Children Program, or ADC. In fact, the federal foster care program was created to settle a dispute with the States over welfare payments to single-parent households. At the time, some States routinely denied welfare payments to families with children born outside of marriage. These States had declared such homes to be morally “unsuitable” to receive welfare benefits. Following a particularly extreme incident in which 23,000 Louisiana children were expelled from ADC, the federal Department of Health Education and Welfare (HEW), in what came to be known as the Flemming Rule after then-secretary Arthur Flemming, directed States to cease enforcement of the discriminatory suitable homes criteria unless households were actually unsafe for children. If homes were unsafe, States were required to pay families ADC while making efforts to improve home conditions, or place children in foster care. When States protested the added costs of protecting children in unsafe homes, Congress reacted by creating federal foster care funding. In this way, the federal government ensured States would not be disadvantaged financially by protecting children (Frame 1999; Committee on Ways and Means 1992)."

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/05/fc-financing-ib/

"Burn, bottom line is that some things you just don't need proof of ..."

That especially seems to be the case when the facts show that the reality is the exact opposite of the story one is telling, huh?

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burninater 04/28/13 - 02:58 pm
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And by the way myfather, I

And by the way myfather, I never said LP's were responsible for everything good, and Conservatives for nothing good.

I was merely demonstrating, with FACTS, that your claim that LP's make care for unwanted children difficult, to encourage abortion, is the baseless slander it obviously is.

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specsta 04/28/13 - 03:01 pm
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Archaic Approach - Time To Change

Solution - remove the stigma concerning human sexuality in our society. Give young people the knowledge they need to avoid pregnancy and disease, and make contraception as readily available as soft drinks. Help them to understand that sex is not something "dirty or shameful" but is a human biological function.

Knowledge is power. When young people are getting their information about human sexuality through peers or questionable resources, ignorance will create tragedy.

This society, as evidenced by the reluctance of parents to tackle this subject head-on, has failed this upcoming generation. Discussions about sex should be as natural as discussing "what's for dinner". Otherwise, young people get bad information and find themselves pregnant or infected with an STD.

If anyone is truly against abortion due to unplanned or unwanted pregnancies, they should be the first to demand that society start to view human sexuality from a higher level of intelligence.

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chascushman 04/28/13 - 03:12 pm
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“With all due respect to the

Unpublished

“With all due respect to the meaning of this LTE, I don't see how ANYBODY affords any more than a maximum of two children.”
Mr. Bledsoe I guess you don’t know how to play the system. The liberals/democrats have created a system where the more kids you have the more $$ you get from the working folks.

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AutumnLeaves 04/28/13 - 03:27 pm
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The nature of...

The nature of adoption has been that it was kept confidential, Von Schweinitz, until recent years. Since some adoptions are now open, if you aren't aware that pro-life people adopt many, maybe even most, children that otherwise might have been aborted, it is because you have your eyes and mind closed for your own reasons. You can try to rationalize your agenda all you want, but the proof is in the facts and not in your spin on them.

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burninater 04/28/13 - 03:59 pm
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"You can try to rationalize

"You can try to rationalize your agenda all you want, but the proof is in the facts and not in your spin on them."

I have the utmost confidence that with a statement like that, you have proof that "... pro-life people adopt many, maybe even most, children that otherwise might have been aborted ...".

Please, share.

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myfather15 04/28/13 - 04:01 pm
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Don't you just love how LP's

Don't you just love how LP's twist and spin statistics and call them "Facts"?

I'm done with this arguement; I've got better things to do this Sunday afternoon.

We just need to realize and remember just how uber smart and brilliant the LP's are and just how dumb, close minded and ignorant we conservatives are. The sooner we do this, the quicker the world becomes a better place, because LP's do NOTHING wrong. Their way is ALWAYS BETTER. Good day to you.

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burninater 04/28/13 - 04:15 pm
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myfather, what twisting and

myfather, what twisting and spinning of statistics produced the simple fact that safe haven laws exist in very state?

What twisting and spinning of statistics produced the simple fact that guaranteed foster care financing is a component of the LP Federal welfare system, and was implemented to counteract "moral objections" by some states for caring for children from "certain situations"?

And what do "smart" and "dumb" have to do with simply basing observations on fact? You began this discussion with a statement that amounts to slander if you have no proof on which to base it. Slander is neither "smart" nor "dumb", but an attempt to denigrate others by spreading unjustified accusations. The statement that LP's deliberately affect adoption procedures to increase abortion rates is a bold accusation. Without a factual basis, it's mere slander. Step up. Back up your accusation, rather than just avoiding the issue.

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InChristLove 04/28/13 - 05:34 pm
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I find the philosophy that

I find the philosophy that specsta projects that the more we discuss sex with teenagers the more informed they will be, the less pregnancy and abortions we will have.

From 1926 when the first statistics were recorded of 2 abortions that year up until about the early 1960's abortion rates were lower than 1,000 a year. From the mid 60's (when free love became prominent) went from 4,600 in 1968 to over 20,000 in 1971, and 154,000 in 1980. In 2003 we had 933,000, the highest year recorded and it has decrease each year with the last year of statistics available of 10,000 in 2010.

specsta, your comment "This society, as evidenced by the reluctance of parents to tackle this subject head-on, has failed this upcoming generation" I disagree with. I do believe kids are becoming more informed and making wiser decisions concerning sex but the need for abortions (IMO) should never be an option for bad choices.

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Young Fred 04/28/13 - 05:37 pm
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@specsta: "Solution - remove

@specsta: "Solution - remove the stigma concerning human sexuality in our society. Give young people the knowledge they need to avoid pregnancy and disease, and make contraception as readily available as soft drinks. Help them to understand that sex is not something "dirty or shameful" but is a human biological function."

What planet do you live on? My friend, the "stigma" has long since been removed! And as you can tell, the results have been astounding!

I could eviscerate your statement, but what's the point? A mere Earthling such as myself making earthly points would mean nothing to a Martian.

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