Liberals built freer world

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It has been a while since I have written a letter to the editor, but Ed Payne’s April 14 letter (“Progressivism is killing us all”) prompted a response. It is the latest, and not the most egregious, of many letters indicating that liberals/progressives (L/Ps) are destroying our country, leading us toward socialism, undermining our morals, etc.

Kathryn Schultz’s book Being Wrong indicates that facts seem to have little effect on conservative’s deep-seated beliefs, so this is probably an exercise in futility, but tilting at windmills has a long and noble history.

L/Ps invented and developed science on which Dr. Payne’s profession depends. Without it, he would still be using leeches. L/Ps are responsible for the development of democracy and capitalism that many letters to the editor accuse L/Ps of trying to destroy.

The list of accomplishments and developments of L/Ps is nearly endless: the Declaration of Independence; the Constitution and its Bill of Rights; abolition of slavery; right of all citizens older than 18 to vote; public education; public hospitals; trade unions; curbs on monopolies; the Red Cross; nursing as a profession; humane care for the mentally ill; pure food and drug laws; the 40-hour work week; equal rights for minorities and women; freedom of religion; clean rivers and lakes; the right to marry a person of a different race …

Conservatives opposed, worked against and ridiculed many of these when they were first proposed.

Conservatives do seem to make better generals; however, most of the greatest or most consequential presidents were liberals, and some of the others were equivocal.

To top it all off, the most liberal states (based on voting patterns) are wealthier than the most conservative states, and have to transfer tax dollars to support them.

It would be a much poorer and less free world without the dreaded L/Ps.

Andy C. Reese

Augusta

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 04/22/13 - 04:50 am
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Liberals invented and developed science?

Mr. Reese, you say liberals invented and developed science? Science fiction maybe. Or the math discipline of How to Get Other People's Money. But it's nice to hear liberals invented the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Now if they would only follow them.

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myfather15 04/22/13 - 04:38 am
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Is there anything liberals didn't create??

This is nothing more than another liberal attempt to say "We are smarter, more intelligent beings. You simpletons should just sit back and let US run the world, enjoying the benefits of our (liberal) greatness. We are responsible for EVERY great aspect of the world. Conservatives are responsible for nothing besides being shallow minded simpletons."

You know what? There have been MANY people in history who thought this exact same way; Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lennon, Mousilini, Guevara, Hussein and many more I can't think of at the moment.

All these men thought they were smarter than everyone else. Their way was the best way and we must all follow them.......OR DIE!!!

The people today who think themselves to be superior minds; are they any different than these men?

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ymnbde 04/22/13 - 04:52 am
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and they dress in tights!

Captain America and Aquaman are also well known l/p's. Superman would have been, but he was not born here. The Hulk may have been, but he wasn't always green.
Batman and Robin certainly were, and would have married in subsequent episodes.

My goodness, what a closed mind this person has. Some diversity training is in order.
Some government mandated, focused, liberal approved, diversity training.
The roles are reversed. A true liberal once opposed big all powerful government.
Now they are big all powerful government.

Kryptonite, yeah

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nocnoc 04/22/13 - 05:20 am
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Is Liberalism really

To me Liberalism really Neo-Socialism using a costume.

Agreed Ultra Right wing and Ultra Left Wing are not good for any country or society.

To me the Ultra Left - have no moral limits and is all for un-thoughtout societal upheaval.

I myself, am a few steps right of center, but more left of Ultra Right.

But to many Liberal I have encountered anyone not in 100% agreement with their agenda is branded Ultra Right Extremist.

A most recent example of the L/P media heads:
MSNBC - Blaming the Boston Bombing on White Male Right Wing Domestic terrorists without any facts in the 1st hours.

MSNBC - Blaming the NRA.

Micheal Moore - Blaming the Tea Party.

CNN - Right Wing to Blame. Several Actors - Blaming the 2nd Amendment and demanding its repeal.

Salon Mag. - Hoping it was a Domestic White Guy so greater bans could be put in place.

To me the Liberal minded LIBERALS & PROGRESSIVES currently active in the USA sound more like NEO-Socialists. History has repeatedly shown us where that leads.

So YES, I am happy being a few steps right of center.

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myfather15 04/22/13 - 05:20 am
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The same person says this

The same person says this "Kathryn Schultz’s book Being Wrong indicates that facts seem to have little effect on conservative’s deep-seated beliefs".

Then goes on to completely lie about liberal accomplishments. Taking full credit for the Declaration of Indenpendence, the Constitution and Bill of Rights; are you kidding me? Liberals can take full credit for these? Any person with the slightest HINT of common sense should realize there were probably liberal minded folks INVOLVED in all the documents and there were many conservatives minded people as well.

How narcissistic does a person have to be to write this kind of non-sense?

The abolition of Slavery??? Are you kidding me? You say FACTS have little effect on conservatives deep seated beliefs but it's apparent you have no idea what a FACT is. It's a FACT that Abraham Lincoln was a republican. It's FACT that the majority of the representatives who voted for the 13th amendment were republicans and the majority of those opposed were democrat. Look it up Mr. Reese before spouting ignortant statements. So, please tell me exactly how liberals are responsible for the abolition of slavery!!

Public education; Well, I'll give you that one, especially in the last 100 years or so since our education level compared to the rest of the world has plummeted.

Public Hospitals; Can you provide proof as to this claim? Or are we supposed to blindly believe you, since you so much more brillant that us poor idiotic simpletons. As one commentor resently said; we shouldn't ask for proof because that just shows we don't understand facts.

Trade unions; Ok, I'll give you this one and they are also largely responsible for the bail outs due to their collective bargaining. They are also largely responsible for our education system plummeting, since the education system can't fire the bad teachers due to collective bargaining agreements. Heck, we can't fire workers at automobile factories in Michigan who were caught smoking dope and drinking alcohol on their lunch breaks. So they get to put our vehicles together while they're intoxicated. Then we are shocked there are so many recalls on vehicles because of safety concerns. These are just two examples out of thousands.

I'm not going to specifically address the rest of this non-sense where you said; "curbs on monopolies; the Red Cross; nursing as a profession; humane care for the mentally ill; pure food and drug laws; the 40-hour work week; equal rights for minorities and women; freedom of religion; clean rivers and lakes; the right to marry a person of a different race." Because any person with an ounce of common sense recognizes this for exactly what it is.

But then you go on to say "Conservatives do seem to make better generals; however, most of the greatest or most consequential presidents were liberals, and some of the others were equivocal."

So the greatest Presidents were liberals BUT conservatives make better generals; so to paraphrase you're basiclly saying Liberals make the best leaders and conservatives make good followers, as long as they are being ordered by the liberals. Basically, stating exactly what I've been saying about the liberal mentality all along. You guys have a VERY high opinion of yourselves; you're more educated, intelligent, brilliant and highly enlightented than us morons on the right. You probably even consider yourselves better looking.

The problem is you have NOTHING to back this up besides LIES, rhetoric and progaganda. I'm willing to place a LARGE wager that you can't PROVE a single claim in your letter. But, as with all other editorials, it doesn't require you to prove anything. It just blows my mind that there are people like this out there who believe their way is the ONLY way. Their philosophy of government and free enterprise is the only way we can have true freedom with fairness.

There was another entity who thought exactly the same; his name was lucifer. He, like many on the extreme left believed his way to be the only way and he rebelled against the very Creator. He was simply another of His creations, but developed this great sense of self worth; actually believing himself to be superior to the Creator. Sounds identical to the secular liberal lefts views, huh? Thats the problem, communist dictators thoughout history have repeated same philosophy of believing themselves to be superior to us idiotic people who cling to our Bibles.

The problem for liberals is that the Creator gave us numerous examples of Lucifer thoughout history. Those evil dictators were symbolic of Lucifer and his way. They also have another thing in common; they were all defeated eventually and so shall it be in the end.

BUT, I supposed I should just stop there. Liberals don't want to hear this non-sense about our mythical God. They are FAR to intelligent to believe such non-sense. Only simpletons still believe in fairy tales after all these years of our Savior not returning as promised, right? My words are exactly why we should all put our trust in these GREAT liberal minds, because they are critical thinkers and not stuck in "deep seated beliefs" of old fairy tales. They are the only ones should be in charge of mankind. For that is their ultimate goal; to be in charge of ALL of mankind. Another trait they share with that certain entity.

I guess I need to be done; very few will read this long post anyways, but that it ok as well.

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nofanofobama 04/22/13 - 05:28 am
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as in dragnet ...andy- just

as in dragnet ...andy- just the facts....all your assumptions are incrediable...like the bill of right and the constitution..i thought you libs thought that they were written by old rich white guys ...and they have to be living documents..or ever expanding living document so all you libs can find all your made up rights that cant legislated..AND the bill of rights i thought you all didnt believe in GOD...YOU LIBS think that our rights come from govt...not GOD..

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Riverman1 04/22/13 - 05:43 am
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Neo-Communists

Nocnoc, they are even more than neo-Socialists, the liberal-progressives are neo-Communists. The Communists preached capitalism was bad, corporations were evil and America was the Great Satan in the world. Does that sound like today’s liberal view or not?

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carcraft 04/22/13 - 06:01 am
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Where to start?

The University system of education that lead to the philosophy underlying and producing the scientific method rose out of the Monasteries of the middle ages. Many of the early advances in science were advanced by clergy. Gregory Mendel being an example!

carcraft
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carcraft 04/22/13 - 06:10 am
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Slavery was ended in England

Slavery was ended in England by Wilberforce and his buddies Because of a commitment to Jesus Christ NOT SOME LIBERAL PHILOSOPHY! Amazing Grace was written by a mentor of Wilberforce we was a Christian who repented from being a part of the slave trade. Much of the motivation to end slavery in the US was based on Christian principals as attested to by the line in "The Battle Hymn of the Republic " "He died to make men holy let us die to make men free "!

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Jon Lester 04/22/13 - 06:37 am
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You mean, people who were closer to the dictionary definition
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of "liberal," not these statist authoritarian types who are anything but. We'll see how sure they feel of themselves when we independent voters make our choices in the 2014 midterms.

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Bizkit 04/22/13 - 07:05 am
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This letter is illogical

This letter is illogical nonsense. I guess he assumes all scientist are and have been liberal or progressive. That statement is inane. Further liberals and progressives have about as much in common as liberals and conservatives-why group them together. I agree liberals founded this country is an accurate point. Science in the muslim world was driven by religion and they pre-dated many discoveries we in the west claim. He is conflating several different arguments into one illogical one. Bizarre.

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CobaltGeorge 04/22/13 - 07:06 am
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LIBERALS

are the enemies of America and have proved it on a daily basis in all aspects for many years. As enemies, they should be treated as such. How many wars have been fought because of their mutated brain way of thinking.

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RMSHEFF 04/22/13 - 07:34 am
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Terms co-opted by marxist

You cannot base an argument on the term Liberal or Progressives without defining these terms. Liberals of the1930s were different than liberals in the 1960's and 1970's In the 1970's and those that call themselves liberal or progressive today are nothing like these latter liberals. President John Kennedy was considered a liberal by those in his day but by todays standards he would be viewed as a right wing conservative. I guess you could say liberalism has "progressed" or changed to the point it is now best defined as socialism and has come 360 degrees from its original positions. Liberalism of the 1970's was a belief that a person should be free do do or act in any way he wants and progressivism today is all about government control and regulation of every aspect of our life. This sounds like "marxism"……sadly, most in the democratic party don't even realize what they are supporting.

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t3bledsoe 04/22/13 - 07:59 am
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Perfect example of "THE GREAT OPPOSITION"

This letter and the following comments are the perfect reason why libs. and conservs. CAN NOT MEET IN THE MIDDLE !! First, I don't even know if the writer's "facts" are true "facts". I personally find it very hard to believe there was not EQUAL work done by libs. and conservs. on these discoverys. Second, I repeat; this is why we can not meet in the middle.

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chascushman 04/22/13 - 08:03 am
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"sadly, most in the
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"sadly, most in the democratic party don't even realize what they are supporting."
RMSEFF, soooo very, very true, many have been brained washed and many are just ignorant. They take the lies and propaganda spread by their Marxist/communist leaders hook, line & sinker.

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allhans 04/22/13 - 08:42 am
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Too much MSNBC and Huffington

Too much MSNBC and Huffington Post.

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nocnoc 04/22/13 - 08:46 am
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15 lies made by Liberals1)

15 lies made by Liberals
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/

1) ..it's all about choice -- unless you want to choose which gun or light bulb to use, which school your child will attend, or you’d prefer more freedom and smaller government.

2) it cares about the environment, when in practice, not only do liberals like Al Gore live some of the most resource-wasting and ostentatious lifestyles on the planet, but they hurt the environment by blocking environmentally friendly energy production here in favor of energy sources from nations that care little about pollution.

3) free government services and somebody else will pay for them. The trillion dollar deficit we're running every year that will have to be paid back says otherwise.

4) With birth control there are no consequences whatsoever to having lots and lots of sex. Meanwhile, more than 50 million children have been killed by their own mothers via abortion and 1 out of every 4 adults in New York City has herpes.

5) The government will make your kids smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. Question did your kids get as good of education as your did?

6) compassion and taking care of the less fortunate, unless liberals have their own money on the line, in which case they give less to charity than those stingy, greedy, heartless conservatives.

7) Don't take your Christian faith seriously, that political correctness matters more than the Bible, and that mocking God has no consequences. Ever heard someone say, “Don't pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel or daily talk show?” Well, if liberals were smarter, they wouldn't be picking a fight with an omnipotent God who MAKES lightning bolts by the barrel and has a well earned reputation for getting fed up every once in awhile and dishing out "Old Testament style wrath" on His enemies.

8) Spending should be dictated by our wants, as opposed to what we can afford. Of course, if the world really works this way, Greece would be fine, nobody would have ever heard of the word "bankruptcy," and the banks wouldn't even bother to write down your name when you borrow money from them.

9) liberals want unity and bipartisanship, which they apparently believe they can accomplish by spewing pure hatred and smearing, demonizing, threatening, and lying about anyone who disagrees with them.

10) delivery of equality of outcomes for everyone, which is true, if by "delivering equality of outcomes" you mean "make everyone poorer." Except a themselves.

11) Women rights -- unless they're conservative women, in which case liberals will insult them in the vilest of terms, attack their children, call them woman of ill repute and laugh and hoot at the most grotesque sexist attacks against them. Every last insult ever hurled at someone like Sandra Fluke probably wouldn't amount to what women like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter put up with on any given week with the full support of the same liberals who run off at the mouth about a "war on women."

12) it'll help the poor -- and it does with other people money not their own. But Liberalism does help poor Americans live in ghettos with just enough food and money to survive so they can stay dependent on liberals. It's the same sort of help a farmer gives a chicken while he harvests its eggs and waits for the right time to wring its neck and toss it in the frying pan.

13) liberals are the only people that care who care about black America and say they want to help. Even if city after city where liberals have been in charge for decades, like Detroit or New Orleans, most black Americans are in dire straits.

14) small business owners were able to build their businesses only because the workers and government made it possible. But of course, if that's true, why do we have such a high unemployment rate? Since bankers don't deserve the big salaries they make, why doesn't the Occupy movement set up its own bank and show the "banks" how liberal would do it?

15) Fix crime by taking away guns, but by definition, the people who will voluntarily give up guns are law abiding citizens who have no intention of committing a crime in the first place. Besides, if that can work, why doesn't Barack Obama set the example by asking his Secret Service agents to disarm?

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crkgrdn 04/22/13 - 08:48 am
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Is there any accountability or reponsibility with these claima?

So, the writer gives credit for all good things to liberal-progressives.
That is a lot to explain to future generations who will not realize the American dream.
What a land of enchantment and fantasy and delusion in which you live.

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Red Headed Step Child 04/22/13 - 09:04 am
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Wow.

just Wow.

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dichotomy 04/22/13 - 09:17 am
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Oh c'mon Andy. NONE of the

Oh c'mon Andy. NONE of the things have anything to do with conservative, liberal, or progressive as debated today. As for your statement about liberal states, I think you must be reading your charts upside down or something. I present you California vs. Texas........ and a host of other states led by conservative governors that are actually balancing their budgets and experiencing job growth. Those "wealthy" liberal states are either living on borrowed money or are confiscating huge amounts of taxes from their citizens who are leaving in droves...or both.

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RMSHEFF 04/22/13 - 09:19 am
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This entire letter is absurd

This entire letter is absurd and not based in fact but the most obvious untruth is his statement "To top it all off, the most liberal states (based on voting patterns) are wealthier than the most conservative states, and have to transfer tax dollars to support them." Liberal or conservative, rich folks are leaving "liberal/progressive states as fast as they can. Liberals are trying to escape the very system they created. People with money usually know how to hang on to it. Take a look at the states that are in the worst "financial" shape and they have one thing in common....they are run by progressives. New York, California, Michigan, Illinois are , for all practical purposes, bankrupt.

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Young Fred 04/22/13 - 09:25 am
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I second what he said (the

I second what he said (the red-headed guy).

If one were inclined to look at history through non-rose-colored glasses I'd suggest the book “Liberal Fascism”. A thorough and true indictment of liberalism at its very “best”.

ymnbde – that was a thing of beauty, I bow before you.

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burninater 04/22/13 - 09:26 am
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Clear Channel on line one

With the exception of the red state/blue state wealth and tax disparity, this is completely one-sided, built on distorted half-truths, and devoid of reasoned argument.

Mr. Reese has a bright future in AM radio.

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Humble Angela 04/22/13 - 09:29 am
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Burninater....we rarely
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Burninater....we rarely agree, but today could be the day.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 04/22/13 - 09:34 am
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The red state/blue state tax

The red state/blue state tax issue is an incomplete stat. An accountants perusal of bare numbers without looking at the “big picture”.

How does one measure the cost to society of the animals that are bred within our inner-cities? Not trying to be negative, as we are a product of our environment and must adapt. But the cost is almost incalculable.

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burninater 04/22/13 - 09:35 am
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Unortunately HA, based on

Unortunately HA, based on some of the above posts, when the shoe is on the other foot and the line is that liberal progressives are responsible for all that ails America, they swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

They don't recognize the Mr. Reeses in their own camp.

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Humble Angela 04/22/13 - 09:36 am
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I prefer to name specific
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I prefer to name specific ills that the liberals/progressives are responsible for AND give specific backing evidence. There really is no shortage.

burninater
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burninater 04/22/13 - 09:40 am
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Ah, but if you only provide

Ah, but if you only provide an accounting of the failings of one side, you're still only working with a half-truth.

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Little Lamb 04/22/13 - 09:42 am
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Liberty

Back in the day when the word "liberal" (which was anglicized from the French language) was first being applied to political discourse, it referred to a person who believed in personal liberty, and inferred individual responsibility for one's self. In other words, the liberals were for small, limited government.

Not true today.

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Humble Angela 04/22/13 - 09:44 am
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Just let me know when I'm not
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Just let me know when I'm not being fair.

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