Progressivism is killing us all

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Michelle Malkin’s syndicated column on homicides in Chicago under democratic socialism (“Smiley-face lies and homicide hogwash in Democratic cesspools,” April 8) is a only microcosm of our death-dealing culture.

“Progressive” judges made abortion legal – more than 50 million deaths in America and who knows how many millions worldwide. Scandinavian countries have legalized euthanasia; Jack Kevorkian won continued praise for his “assisted” suicides; and Obamacare necessarily brings the specter of “death panels.” The 1973 decision of the American Academy of Psychiatrists to “normalize” homosexuality has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from HIV/AIDS; infected many more; and diverted billions from cancer, heart and less “politically correct” diseases. Need I name Stalin and Hitler, who were earlier political progressives?

My detractors will throw back to me the “wars of religion,” the Crusades and violence perpetrated in the name of “religion.” Two points and I am done:

• Biblical Christianity should not be lumped with “other religions.” While we have our errors that led to deaths in history, our totals pale in comparison the various religions of man: communism, totalitarianism, socialism, Nazism and others. And that does not begin to address the positive social values of biblical religion: public education, hospitals, democratic republics, the end of slavery in the Western world and the cessation of animal and human sacrifices.

• The “wars of religion” were almost never about religion, which was and is used only as an excuse to maim, murder and steal.

To any reasonable mind, democratic socialism promotes poverty, disease and death by immeasurable millions. Biblical Christianity promotes prosperity, health and life by greater numbers. History and current events prove that socialistic and communistic schemes never have even been able to feed themselves and have massively killed their own citizens. Malkin’s description of Chicago is a microcosm of the whole.

The choice is simple, but infinitely profound: Choose life and health or disease and death. “Those that hate Me love death” (Proverbs 8:36).

Ed Payne, M.D.

Augusta

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palmetto1008
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palmetto1008 04/14/13 - 06:55 am
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Has it been 30 days already??
Unpublished

Has it been 30 days already??

soldout
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soldout 04/14/13 - 07:47 am
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excellent

Excellent letter. When man's ideas go against Bible truth; man always loses. We are losing big time in this country as sowing and reaping is destroying us. The price of sin is very high. The government now spends more money per household than the average household income. In other words, if everyone gave all their income to the government they still couldn't balance the budget. Jesus is the answer to all questions. Read Romans 1 and see if that sounds like the world today.

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RMSHEFF 04/14/13 - 07:55 am
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Palmetto1008

What an intelligent rebuttal of the facts !

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Bodhisattva 04/14/13 - 08:13 am
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Yeah, life is miserable in

Yeah, life is miserable in the Scandinavian countries. Everyone I've ever talked to from there hates it. Not really. I've yet to meet anyone who prefers our system to theirs.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 04/14/13 - 08:50 am
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Scandinavia- little racist code

easily interpreted to mean... oh my goodness
we know the racial makeup of scandinavia... wink wink
jim crow is back in liberal clothing... nod nod

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burninater 04/14/13 - 11:13 am
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"Hi! I'm a Christian! You're

"Hi! I'm a Christian! You're an obscene pervert that hates life and lives in cesspools! Hey! Where are you going? I have Good News for you, you disgusting piece of filth that votes for the wrong party! Golly, why does the congregation keep shrinking? It must be a War on Christianity!""

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Southern_Yankee 04/14/13 - 09:36 am
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Please tell me this is a joke

I cannot even take this column seriously. I hope it is some sort of satire that I am just not understanding. I have a difficult time believing an educated M.D. is stating that "to “normalize” homosexuality has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from HIV/AIDS; infected many more; and diverted billions from cancer, heart and less “politically correct” diseases. Need I name Stalin and Hitler, who were earlier political progressives?"

Are you truly drawing comparisons to Stalin and Hitler for addressing and facing a deadly disease?

Vitriolic rhetoric, although possibly your opinion, is of no help in coming to an understanding between those of differing viewpoints. If we are going to begin to address and solve some of the problems in this country then all sides should step back, take a breath, and begin to talk and work together. Communication, discourse, and compromise need to be accomplished and not viewed as capitulating, or caving-in, to the other side.

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Gage Creed 04/14/13 - 09:39 am
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If things are so bad here,

If things are so bad here, why are 11.5 million folks here illegally, and why will those who hate living here stay?

This quote from ymhbde is worth repeating... "Christian bashing... last refuge for the natural born bigot."

burninater
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burninater 04/14/13 - 10:19 am
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This quote from ymhbde is

This quote from ymhbde is worth repeating...
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They pulled that comment and my response Gage, but how is it bashing to repeat back the message and content of the LTE? How is that bigotry?

Was it the added dig about the War on Christianity? Was it because I interpreted comparisons to Nazis, Stalin, and Hitler as viewing progressives as filth? Perhaps it was unfair to assume that the LTE-writer views Nazis, Stalin, and Hitler as disgusting humans.

I'm genuinely curious how repeating the message of the LTE becomes bigotry -- unless the LTE is, itself, bigotry.

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ymnbde 04/14/13 - 10:18 am
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that we're all headed for Chicago

is the theme of the letter
the letter writer thinks that Christianity is a way to prevent that
those who disagree seem to be frolicking in a light-hearted game of Christian bashing.
Understandable, because it's downright dangerous to bash any other group.
Other religions might kill you for bashing.
Ethnic group bashing will get you ostracized from the bashing community at large. Sexual orientation bashing is so out-of-fashion.
But when bigotry lives within, it must proclaim itself. It must assert its opinion.
And who better to, ah, but bully is such an appropriate word here, than those who are supposed to turn the other cheek.
Christian bashing... so easy anybody can do it.

burninater
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burninater 04/14/13 - 10:29 am
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My original comment does not

My original comment does not bash Christianity, ymmdbe. It bashes the tendency of some to claim that non-Christians embrace death and perversion, are comparable to Nazis, Hitler, and Stalin, and vote Democrat(!). As much as some people take this view as Gospel, it actually, literally, is not.

I also raised the premise that it is this type of rhetoric that is creating animosity towards some Christians, which is not Christian bashing either. It is something that those who seek to be embraced by the larger community should accord serious contemplation.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 04/14/13 - 10:46 am
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ah, the larger community... the masses

The [liberals] hate Christians! The whole Christian season!
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be, perhaps, that [their] shoes are too tight.
It could be [their] head wasn't screwed on just right.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that [their] heart was two sizes too small.

burninater
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burninater 04/14/13 - 11:02 am
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Well, it was worth a shot.

Well, it was worth a shot. We'll see how using "Biblical Christianity" as a partisan political wedge issue, and calling people Nazis, normalizers of perversion, and worshippers of death, works out.

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t3bledsoe 04/14/13 - 11:41 am
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I am not sure what "progressivism" is:

Progressivism sounds a lot like liberalizm. Are you saying that all liberals are non-believers in Christ ? I am a liberal and I do not attend church. However, only one of these causes doubt about my believing in Christ. I believe in Christ; and yet; I believe in capital punishment and euthanasia. Capital punishment tends to be a conservative belief and euthanasia tends to be a liberal belief. We will ALL be judged by God when the time comes ! I feel quite comfortable in my beliefs, but I will truly find out from God and Jesus Christ someday.

As a non-related comment: It is so very refreshing to see that a young person like "Humble Angela" can be so interested in Letters to The Editor.

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RMSHEFF 04/14/13 - 12:19 pm
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Liberal progressives get very

Liberal progressives get very hostile when you point to the fact that socialism, communism, marxism, collectivism has failed everywhere it has been tried and in every area...financially and morally. From Cuba to Chicago it is a miserable failure. All Godless systems!

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RMSHEFF 04/14/13 - 12:46 pm
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t3bledsoe

Liberalism and Progressivism have many things in common. The word liberal became viewed in a negative manner starting in the 1960s. Politicians who were successfully labeled "liberal" began to loose elections so they rebranded themselves "progressives". Being Liberal in the 1960s meant you were from the "hippie"pot smoking, free love generation and against rules and laws that restricted your freedom. Marxist/Socialist have co-opted this movement when it was renamed "progressivism" and actually are opposites from each other. The progressive movement (Obama & company) are not true liberals, they want to control and regulate every aspect of your life. They think they are smarter and know what is best for ever person.

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karradur 04/14/13 - 01:05 pm
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Note to self:

If I need a doctor, don't go to Ed Payne.

karradur
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karradur 04/14/13 - 01:10 pm
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In fact...

I'm glad he wrote this letter, so people in the CSRA have an understanding of who this man is and why they should avoid his medical services.

Remember, kids: the only reason anyone gets HIV/AIDS is by being gay, which is a choice.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 04/14/13 - 01:23 pm
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hundreds of young black males killing young black males

in Chicago yet the writer used the word "cesspool" to describe the environment in Chicago under democratic socialism, and the speech code must be enforced...
hundreds of millions spent to treat aids instead of the more prevalent cancer and heart disease (is someone going to say something about lifestyle and heart disease?), and the thought police attack.
Stalin and Hitler had such thought police, and the current thought police attack any mention of Stalin and Hitler. They were real people with real politics and real tactics and real power and real useful "low information voters".
While this wasn't the best written letter, the opposition only attacked it for its misuse of code words. It did not have the required timidity when discussing things like the murder rate of Chicago.
And your focus on a few code words, burninator, is telling. The liberal socialists will attack a code word, but don't seem to care one bit about young black males killing young black males, coming soon to a town near you.
How's that for a partisan wedge issue? How's that going to work out for you?

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Jon Lester 04/14/13 - 01:58 pm
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Once you quote Michelle Malkin,

it's time to stop listening.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 04/14/13 - 02:07 pm
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Lester, who else

will bring the truth of Chicago to light?
so easy... when the effects of liberalism show their dirty selves, the liberals put their head in the cessp... oops, sand.
Your policies aren't working.
Your policies are destructive.
Your policies are racist.
Your policies amount to a war on children.

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InChristLove 04/14/13 - 03:04 pm
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"The 1973 decision of the

"The 1973 decision of the American Academy of Psychiatrists to “normalize” homosexuality has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from HIV/AIDS; infected many more; and diverted billions from cancer, heart and less “politically correct” diseases"

karradur stated "Remember, kids: the only reason anyone gets HIV/AIDS is by being gay, which is a choice."

Karradur, please show us in Dr. Paynes statement where he makes the accusation that the only reason anyone gets HIV/ADIDS is by being gay?

I believe he made a statement that thousands of cases of HIV/AIDS has been a result from homosexual sex, which has led to death.

If you don't like the truth, I guess your style is to make up false accussations?

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burninater 04/14/13 - 03:03 pm
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Ymndbe -- Ah, I see what

Ymndbe --

Ah, I see what this is really all about. The "cesspool" of Chicago under "democratic socialism".

"young black males killing young black males".

The obsession with "code words" as you call them, is illuminating.

What is also illuminating is that if you Google most dangerous cities in America, you see a lot of top 10 lists -- and Chicago is on none of them. Rather, you see Detroit, Memphis, Atlanta, Baltimore, St. Louis, Orlando, Birmingham, Buffalo, Cleveland, Oakland, Stockton, Minneapolis,Kansas City -- depending on who's crunching the numbers. Pretty broad spectrum of America.

So why the obsessive focus on a single city, and a single ideology -- especially in opposition to the actual facts of the matter? Why not look at reality as it exists, rather than trying to twist facts to match a fabrication?

Why are people so afraid of what's real?

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dichotomy 04/14/13 - 03:14 pm
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Techfan.....Scandinavia.....r

Techfan.....Scandinavia.....really?

Have you considered the difference in demographics between here and there and the fact that ALL of their population except the elderly and disabled ACTUALLY WORK AND PAY TAXES. Why don't you see if you can get that happening here? Reckon the Democrat demographic will go along with WORKING and giving 90% of their income to the government? I don't think so. Scandinavia my behind. Scandinavia could not support OUR demographic.

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ymnbde 04/14/13 - 03:19 pm
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Democrat controlled governments and murder.

Does one beget the other?
Look up the education statistics for those cities.
Democrat controlled education and ignorance. Does one beget the other?
The letter writer mentioned Chicago. One famous community organizer got his start there. One famous community organizer is the leader of the Democrats.
Oh, i get your point, your reality. Think how bad it would be in Chicago if he hadn't worked his magic there! Wow... that is illuminating. There could have been thousands of murders! Thank goodness and pass the hallelujahs!
As for the other cities, once again, you focus on imaginary motives of those with differing viewpoints. The focus should be on murders.
But i guess you're okay with that...

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InChristLove 04/14/13 - 03:19 pm
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Southern_Yankee, I know it's

Southern_Yankee, I know it's difficult for you to believe but according to the CDC statistics in 2011, 30,573 cases of HIV/AID were a result of male to male sexual contact (homosexuality). Drug use was 2,220, male homosexuality along with intravenous drug use was 1,407 cases. Heterosexual contact with someone known to have HIV/AIDS was 4,588 and other such as blood transfusions were 36 cases.

So it's possible to argue that "normalizing" homosexual behavior isn't actually the cause of thousands of cases of HIV/AIDS but it is a fact that a majority of cases has been caused by homosexual sex.

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Darby 04/14/13 - 03:24 pm
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"We'll see how using "Biblical Christianity"

as a partisan political wedge issue, and calling people Nazis, normalizers of perversion, and worshippers of death, works out."

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If the shoe fits.......

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PassingOnBy 04/14/13 - 03:38 pm
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Really, RMSHEFF?

Actually, I can claim categorically that I am MUCH smarter than the vast majority of the posters here. I also know that cutting any help to the poor and downtrodden, along with vets and the elderly in order to give Monsanto, GE, Exxon and the Walton and Koch families more tax cuts is NOT the right thing to do.

In addition, I also know that in nations that have a form of government called Social Democracy, programs that ensure no one is left to starve or go without medical care or a decent education WORK. And NOT at the 90% tax rate one of your cohorts quoted...

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PassingOnBy 04/14/13 - 03:57 pm
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HIV statistics

ICL, the numbers you quote don't tell the entire story. Those figures have been consistent for well over a decade, but before government intervention, were 3-4x that many each year. One of the problems with the persistence of AIDS is that schools are NOT allowed to teach simple prevention information--especially not here in the Deep South where minors are told condoms are bad because they are not 100% effective against certain things. Yes, that is what our kids hear in schools in the CSRA.

One of my kid's friends was afraid she'd caught an STD and I asked why she wasn't asking her own parent(s) about what to do. Her horrified response? "Oh, I can't talk to them! They believe nice people don't talk about sex!" These are the same people who will ask later, when their "nice" daughter comes home with the news they're going to be grandparents--"How in the world could this happen to US?" As if they are victims of some scary conspiracy!

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PassingOnBy 04/14/13 - 04:01 pm
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Hitler and Stalin as anti-Christian/anti-religious analogies

Epic fail, guys!

Hitler was raised a good Catholic boy and, although a nutjob who persecuted priests who spoke out against him, maintained his connections to the Church to the very end. That was well-documented by his surviving followers.

Stalin was not Christian, but was an observant Jew who kept Kosher.

So, that whole "you're just like Hitler and Stalin who hated Christians and God" argument is specious.

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