Anti-gun letter misfires

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I read Kevin Palmer’s letter on guns (“Don’t give teachers guns,” March 12) and couldn’t help but laugh. Like most anti-gun liberals he has plucked a figure out of thin air: 250 million gun owners. That would be a real feat considering, according to the 2010 census, the population of the United States is a little over 308 million. Of that, only about 221 million are older than age 21. I guess Mr. Palmer believes every adult in the United States owns a gun and 29 million minors have somehow obtained a gun.

His contention that arming teachers is a bad thing doesn’t hold water. Had the principal at Sandy Hook Elementary School been armed, she may have stopped the killer in his tracks. Could her being armed have made the situation worse? I don’t think so.

Guns are nothing more than tools. Like all tools, they perform a function. They put meat on the table and they protect you and your family. And, like tools, you must learn how to use them properly.

If everyone, including criminals, no longer had access to guns, how would you protect your family from the thugs? 911? Good luck.

John Bryan

Lincolnton

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Darby
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Darby 03/24/13 - 09:59 pm
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Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 03/25/13 - 03:42 am
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Do we just arm principals, or

Do we just arm principals, or all teachers? It would definitely save some students lives since the first rounds would be reserved for and used on the adults. Limit it to elementary schools or include schools where the students are old enough, large enough, and strong enough to overpower and disarm a teacher or principal? Then they could skip the hassle of trying to smuggle a gun into school. Will police be trained well enough to assess the situation before firing or will they shoot the first armed person they encounter?

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 03/25/13 - 05:04 am
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Arming teachers

And when the first student gets his hands on a gun that the teacher "thought" was secured, what will you say? But go ahead and arm teachers who in some instances can't be trusted to get all the students off a bus after a field trip or to remove their own child from a car in summer.

One Possible solution: Armed security guards whose job is to only worry about safety and not a bazillion other things as teachers must do every day.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 03/25/13 - 05:08 am
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Question...

Can someone refer me to a single serious legislation/recommendation that ALL guns be removed from society? Not what you BELIEVE people mean, but what has actually been recommended.

peace4784
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peace4784 03/25/13 - 05:25 am
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Criminals and thugs were law
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Criminals and thugs were law abiding until they used a gun to wound or murder a citizen. Furthermore, you don't need a gun to purchase food from a grocery store. Next, 95% of gun owners will never be in a situation where they need a gun in self defense. The boogie man never showed up. Fear and paranoia sells guns.

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myfather15 03/25/13 - 05:54 am
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@Truth doesn't matter

No, I can NOT point to a single serious legislation/recommendation that ALL guns be removed from society.

They've actually said they would like to leave us with pistols and shotguns......Why thank you Diane Feinstein. I appreciate you telling me which guns YOU and others like you believe I should own.

Well, that is until the next mass shooting involves a pistol or shotgun; then they will have to protect us from those as well. What about a high powered rifle? A person could do a lot of damage with a high powered rifle and scope. This scenario has happened numerous times, including the assassination of a President.

I promise, If I were a crazed individual I could do an EXTREME amount of damage in public with a shotgun, loaded with 00 Buck shot (Which you don't even have to aim); and a couple Glock pistols with 10 round magazines. The causaulties would be massive.

So, are they next? When you play with the term "Shall not be infringed" you are playing with fire. If they can ban certain types of firearms NOW, then after the next shooting; they can go after the type of firearms used in that shooting. BUT, I believe NOTHING would make liberals happier than banning all firearms, period. It's a slow process and they realize this. They can NOT just come out banning everything they want; they must ease into this so the people won't revolt. All done in the aspect of SAFETY, right?

Might I remind you of a founding father quote "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little TEMPORARY safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Ooooh how he was right!! Taking firearms from law abiding citizens is a mirage of safety. It actually isn't safety AT ALL. It's just a FEELING that they are doing something to make people safe. In reality, they are weakening WE THE PEOPLE, from being able to defend ourselves from evil people AND evil governments.

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Humble Angela 03/25/13 - 06:04 am
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OK...truth matters. Your
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OK...truth matters. Your question was answered, now your turn.
Question:

Can you give me one logical reason why law abiding citizens should not be allowed to own a machine gun?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 03/25/13 - 06:07 am
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Myfather15....one correction.
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Myfather15....one correction. If you think you don't have to aim with 00 Buck shot, you will come home empty handed if you go deer hunting. Other than that, I agree with you.

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nocnoc 03/25/13 - 06:42 am
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Said it before

According to the 2010 FBI statistics there are over 69 million LEGAL Gun Owners in the USA and there are about 210-240 million Firearms in the USA. But for PC sake lets call them Home Offensive Suppression Tools or HOST.

According to the ANTI-GUN Website
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
The rate of private HOST's ownership in the United States is 88.82 HOST's per 100 people or 270,000,000.

So whomever facts you trust, it shows HOST's owners are not dangerous to the tune of about99.90%+ of all HOSTS ARE NEVER USED IN A CRIME.

The Liberals, socialists and President Obama have actually awaken America's closed eyes to fact a well HOST'ed populous is a well protected populous.

Since Nov 7th, 2013 The day after re-election, the FBI acknowledged over new 900k to 1.2 million background checks were being done each month. That number has jumped to 2.3 when the Liberals and Socialists announced Bans and New controls earlier this year.

Of the Mass Shootings EVERYONE of the Shooters was an acknowledged Dangerously Mentally Ill nut case walking the streets. From the Texas Bell Tower shoot in the early 60's to the recent school shooter(s) was an acknowledged Mental Case walking the streets.

When are they going to quit mainstreaming of dangerous Mental cases into society?

Also many HOST Owners, myself included, own 3 or more Home Defense, Recreational and Offensive Suppression Tools (yes I can play PC with words also).

Home Defense, Recreational and Offensive Suppression Tools, Like cars and trucks each have a different application.

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CobaltGeorge 03/25/13 - 06:43 am
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Mr. Bryan,

Your letter was very well written with facts and common sense but you do realized it is a lose cause trying to provide them to the minority few UN-Americans, constitutional non-believing humans that walk amoung us.

myfather, as always, a bid Horaaaa for your ability to stuff facts and common sense into the pipes of those uneducated and blind individuals that just love to see America destroyed. Those that have the clone brain-set as their Hammer & Sickle Man.

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CobaltGeorge 03/25/13 - 06:49 am
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Angela 07:07

I think father was implying that you don't have to aim to do massive damage in a crowed situation using OO bucks.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 03/25/13 - 06:51 am
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Brunswick mother

Too bad she didn't have a gun in her pocket...that baby would still be with us...

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/25/13 - 06:54 am
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The Question Is,

why is Homeland Security and FEMA stockpiling enough weapons and ammo plus armored carriers to fight a conflict for years?? Are they expecting something??

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Bodhisattva 03/25/13 - 07:00 am
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"I agree with everything that

"I agree with everything that Ted Nugent says on the subject of guns." Robert Farago. 'Nuff said.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/25/13 - 07:00 am
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B4

I would like to know if that (insert) who shot the baby used an AR-15 or a pistol with over 10 in the mag? Could it have been a revolver with only 6 rounds, but that still would make it illegal to own because it is a semi-automatic.

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Humble Angela 03/25/13 - 07:10 am
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Bodhisattva. Can you tell us
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Bodhisattva. Can you tell us something that Ted Nugent says wrong on the topic of guns? I would LOVE for you to back up that snide remark.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/25/13 - 07:15 am
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The Gun Ban

will solve the American problem. No guns that can repeat firing with each trigger pull leaving the bolt action type, wait that can be because if may look like a military Springfield, so the pump is left, nope, it is also used by the military, good, we have the powder and ball that we can use. It sure going to be hard to be faced with a killer, robber or rapist...."Wait Sir While I Load My Musket"

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itsanotherday1 03/25/13 - 07:29 am
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I've said many times, I have

I've said many times, I have a nice semi-auto Beretta 12 ga. in my closet that 10 minutes with a hacksaw would turn into a killing machine in the hands of someone bent on mayhem. One could walk into any crowded venue and do more damage in a shorter period of time than one could with an AR 15.
HA- no shoulder aiming required. With the scatter of a sawed off, you can fire from the hip.

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Humble Angela 03/25/13 - 09:07 am
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Just remember. You are never
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Just remember. You are never too close to miss. "you don't have to aim" and "you can shoot from the hip" is a myth.

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=40339

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsN2AugB5pw

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Darby 03/25/13 - 10:10 am
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""Can someone refer me...

to a single serious legislation/recommendation that ALL guns be removed from society?"

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Can anyone refer me to a single serious study indicating that students harbor a propensity to wrestle a gun carrying teacher to the ground, stealing his weapon and then turning it on his fellow students? (Hollywood movie scripts notwithstanding.)

Here we go again. The same old tired, failed arguments from the same group of nattering naysayers, who see themselves as prescient beyond all belief.

These oracles among us who, given the identical history the rest of us have lived, still insist that we continue down the same disastrous path, somehow to a different result.

Some have called that the very definition of insanity.

Now, if those lights in the darkness can outline a plan to take weapons away from the crazies, I'm ready to listen.

Failing that, they might try putting a sock in it, because free Americans will never acquiesce to their wild fantasies.

Darby
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Darby 03/25/13 - 10:30 am
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I'm not waiting around for any progressive.....

to suggest "taking away all weapons", because that's not in their current playbook. Their plan is to nibble around the edges until it becomes too late to fight back.

The enemies of freedom have great patience. They are not that much into instant gratification.

They, like Mao, live, scheme and plot by the creed of Lao Tzu who famously said, "The longest journey begins with a single step."

Start with a hastily cobbled together definition of "assault weapon".

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dichotomy 03/25/13 - 10:48 am
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"Can someone refer me to a

"Can someone refer me to a single serious legislation/recommendation that ALL guns be removed from society?"

No, just the ones that we want to buy. Just the perfectly legal, SEMI-automatic ones that are the most popular for sport shooting, hunting, self-defense, and home defense. And just the ones that would be the most effective at resisting some oppressive administration that uses some trumped up excuse to declare Martial Law to remain in power, or implement some illegal seizure of private bank accounts (which is now officially on the table as a legitimate government financing action thanks to our socialist European neighbors, who oh by the way, paved the government subsidy path that has brought them to their knees and which we are following in ignorant bliss.)

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Sweet son 03/25/13 - 11:22 am
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Humble Angela seems to know her stuff!

I think she might not be a "marksman" but she definitely will pass as a "markswoman." She has made some good points.

Where am I in all of this? Answer: Arm school staff who are interested and well trained!!!!

Just remember to wear proper clothing! LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZASOrv5hdk8

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itsanotherday1 03/25/13 - 11:35 am
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At thirty feet I darn sure

At thirty feet I darn sure can shoot from the hip with a sawed off shotgun and blast what I'm shooting at every time. I would put up a wager, go to the range and prove it, but that would entail me possessing an illegal weapon......

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Shortcomment 03/25/13 - 11:50 am
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Black powder is too easy to make

After talking to a Civil War Actor about how they managed to get BP powder for the Battle during the current shortages.

He said he just went down to LOWE's and purchased the ingredients off the shelf.

He said it cost about $15 for the 1st pound and $7.00 for each pound there after. Out of a pound he said he got almost 200 musket loads.

In short where there is a will there is a way.

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myfather15 03/25/13 - 01:25 pm
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I know what HA is trying to

I know what HA is trying to say and she is right in her point; if you try to shoot a deer with 00 buck and don't aim, then good luck. You probably won't get a mortal wound on a deer at a distance if you don't place a well aimed shot. You might get them with one or two pellets, but it wouldn't kill them unless they just struck the perfect spot. As any ethical hunter can tell you, we definately want a clean harvest, not injure the animal.

BUT, in the aspect of a mass shooting, I certainly believe you can do massive damage with a shotgun, without aiming. In law enforcement, we train to shoot "from the hip" with pistols and shotguns, in case we are in a situation where you can't bring your arm all the way up and aim. We call it "Rock and lock" where we draw and shoot from the side, with the weapon still near the holster. We also do it with shotguns and trust me, with practice, you can hit your target without problem.

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myfather15 03/25/13 - 01:30 pm
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Again.....

I just want to say; you give me a shotgun which holds seven rounds of 00 buck and two Glock pistols and a lot of people could have a VERY bad day. So, if the next crazed shooters picks these weapons, will they be next on the banning list? Don't downplay this, it could easily happen. So, just how far can our politicians go to keep us "Safe"? How far are WE THE PEOPLE going to allow them to go, for the sake of safety? I would like a clear answer to this, but I haven't seen our liberals friends comment since 8:00 am this morning. I'll check back in later.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/25/13 - 01:46 pm
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@Bodhisattva

First off, you arm ONLY the teachers or staff WILLING to be armed and go through extensive training in use of firearms and deadly force criteria.

Second; how are they going to "reserve" the first bullets for the armed teachers or staff? They will NOT know which specific teachers are armed. You DO NOT broadcast on the local news, which teachers will be armed; only liberal thinkers would do something like that. BUT, you DO broadcast specific schools that will have armed teachers. THEN, you will put that in the head of any crazed shooter, thinking of doing a mass school shooting. Then they will choose an easier target, leaving our children safe. FACT: Criminals LOVE unarmed victims.

Third: Police are already trained well enough to assess the situation before shooting. We actually train for this EXACT situation, where there is an ACTIVE shooter in a school. Just like we train for bank robberies, burglaries, etc. We don't shoot the first person we see with a gun, thats absurd. Just because someone HAS a gun, doesn't mean we just shoot them in ANY situation. We command them to drop the gun; then if they refuse and lift the gun towards us, we FIRE. Even if they retain the gun, as long as they don't lift it, pointing it towards us, we still don't fire. We keep our firearms pointed at them until they comply with commands or lift their gun towards us. Hhhhhhmmmm, I think a teacher would have enough common sense to drop their gun when they see us approaching.

Got anything else you want answered??

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myfather15 03/25/13 - 01:52 pm
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@Truth doesn't matter

Armed Security in EVERY school in the United States=100's of Billions of dollars every year; for a Country already 17 trillion in debt, thanks in large part to our wonderful President. Who, by the way said that creating 4 trillion of debt in 8 years was unpatriotic and dangerous. BUT, 7 trillion in 4 years is just doing the right thing.

Arming teachers or staff, already within the schools; even providing them extra pay for their training is FAR less expensive.

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