Gays deserve marriage right

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Cal Thomas’s recent column describing his opposition to gay marriage reiterated some familiar arguments.

First, allowing gay citizens to marry would force the law to recognize other kinds of marriage, like polygamy, marriage between siblings, etc. Second, gay marriage is wrong because the Bible condemns homosexuality as immoral. The first argument cannot justify continued discrimination against homosexual couples. The latter is a personal matter to which people are entitled, but has no place in a government meant to serve all people.

Marriage is a civil right that most Americans can enjoy. To deny this to couples because of sexual orientation, it must be shown that there is a demonstrable harm to society in failing to do so. No research shows that children raised in gay households suffer harm from it. What matters is that a child has loving, supportive parents, regardless of sexuality.

The rest is a matter of how consenting adults choose to live their lives.

What opponents of marriage equality must answer is the question of discrimination. Not allowing homosexual couples the same rights as heterosexual couples is discrimination based on sexual orientation. Why shouldn’t a gay person be covered under his/her partner’s insurance? Or allowed to visit them in the hospital? Or accept legal custody over their children? These are the questions that opponents of gay marriage must answer.

Refusing to grant gay relationships the same rights as heterosexuals under the law is indefensible. Gay people want to have the right to devote their lives to one another with the same level of commitment as anyone else, and to have the state recognize that devotion. Prejudice is no excuse.

Daniel Barden

Martinez

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carcraft
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carcraft 03/19/13 - 05:42 am
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Myfather15, They also want to

Myfather15, They also want to ignore the fact that all the customs, laws, tax policies, divorce laws and legal precident are founded on reproduction and family stability for the provision of stability in society. These people think that marriage is hanging out and parting as a couple or item till you get tired of each other, sorta like the Hollywierd trash that is idolized on TV!

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WalterBradfordCannon 03/19/13 - 10:51 am
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They also want to ignore the

"They also want to ignore the fact that all the customs, laws, tax policies, divorce laws and legal precident are founded on reproduction and family stability for the provision of stability in society. "

So you would be happy if gay couples could get married and only received the rights that heterosexual couples received - provided one member of the heterosexual couple is unable to conceive? That's not a real argument. Heterosexual marriage in society is not founded on reproductive rights. Couples that adopt children have the same rights as biological parents. Gay couples can and do adopt children, and by all measures used by sociologists, their children turn out great (probably because there is no such thing as a gay "shotgun" wedding).

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InChristLove 03/19/13 - 12:11 pm
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WBC stated "Gay couples can

WBC stated "Gay couples can and do adopt children, and by all measures used by sociologists, their children turn out great "

Well according to an article in CBSNews, "(CBS News) A new study that finds children of a gay or lesbian parent may be more likely to have social and emotional problems has sparked controversy on both sides of the same-sex marriage debate."

So I suppose it depends on who you ask and who's collecting the data.

This study, from Mark Regnerus, an associate professor of sociology at The University of Texas at Austin, surveyed more than 15,000 Americans between the ages of 18 and 39, asking them questions about their upbringings. Its findings are published in the July issue of Social Science Research.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 03/19/13 - 12:33 pm
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Science is great. Intentional

Science is great. Intentional cherry-picking is not. The real problem is that you need to understand how science is conducted before you can integrate scientific findings into your situation.

Here is a consensus policy statement by the American Psychological Association, and the Canadian Psychological Association.
http://www.cpa.ca/cpasite/userfiles/Documents/advocacy/brief.pdf

This paper has a nice review of relevant issues in interpretation that you seem to have missed.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/AP_06_pre.PDF (review on page 7-9)

Again, I reiterate, there are NO studies that show that children of same-sex parents are sociologically worse off than children of opposite-sex parents. The article you cited referred to the public "perception" of those children, and not to outcomes based on those children.

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InChristLove 03/19/13 - 12:47 pm
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Since I knew you were going

Since I knew you were going to come back with the American Pyschological Association......yes I read that article.....Here is one for you.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/13/gay-parenting-studies-di...

also an article on the studies is found at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/302511/best-or-worst-all-possible-g...

You see WBC, you can post article and reviews in favor of your opinion and likewise I can do the same.........but what is the reality.

I believe a study of 15,000 people DOES show you that children of same-sex parents fare less than those who are in hetersexual marriages. I'm backing mine up with an indepth study, all I see from you is articles denouncing the study and personal opinions.

Here is a link to the actual study if you'd like to read it.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610

The study compared how young adults from a variety of different family backgrounds fare on 40 different social, emotional, and relational outcomes. Sounds like a legit study on social, emotional, and relational outcomes of these children, not public "perception".

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carcraft 03/19/13 - 08:00 pm
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InChristLove Don't you

InChristLove Don't you understand, true science only supports the liberal agendas! If it doesn't support gay marriage, global warming or unlimited government debt it isn't real science! The Germans during WWII had a consciences of scientists that said Einstein was wrong! Einstein replied if I was wrong it would have only taken one!

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carcraft 03/19/13 - 08:18 pm
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Homosexuality was voted not

Homosexuality was voted not to be a mental illness! Now Obama's health care plan might work if he could get a bunch of Doctors to say cancer isn't an illness or disease! They could say it is a normal variant of cells found through out the world. They could vote and end the scourge of cancer with a vote! See how much fun science by consensus can be!

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WalterBradfordCannon 03/20/13 - 07:19 am
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@InChristLove, thanks for

@InChristLove, thanks for posting that study. You can easily note, however, that the study looks at young adults who have one or more parents who has had a homosexual experience. These are not young adults from gay couples - but young adults from gay couples plus young adults whose parents were straight but played around. Its a different sample. There are tons of sociological studies on the impact of parents splitting up, and on single parenting, and on adopted vs biological parents, and these all have impacts on the children's behavior. These impacts significantly corrupt the interpretation of this study for the impact of having a gay, married, couple. Children do best with a stable, married, couple that includes the biological mother. Adopted children, even by heterosexual parents, do not do as well - whereas lesbian couple parents that includes the biological mother, will do better. There is a continuum, and that continuum does not segregate the parenting skills of homosexuals from those of heterosexuals in any way. It is a mix, and a null argument against gay marriage. Adoption has its place in our society, as do single parents, and both will have problems with some children that are larger than the problems faced by the children of gay married parents.

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InChristLove 03/20/13 - 09:28 am
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Twist the data however you

Twist the data however you like WBC to ease your mind.

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carcraft 03/20/13 - 09:37 am
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WalterBradfordCannon- You

WalterBradfordCannon- You still didn't address the issue I raised in your 3/19/13 10:51 post. Marrital laws against adultry, tax laws that allow deductions for marriage and children and the presumption that the husband is the father of the child (as the case in Georgia demonstrated) are all in position to promote family stability and provision for reprodution. Argue what you want, gays simply can't reproduce!

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Dixieman 03/20/13 - 10:06 am
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96 Comments?

C'mon, people, nobody writes this much about the economy, North Korea, Iranian nukes, etc. etc. This is a trivial non-issue. Let them get engaged and try that out for a few years.

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WalterBradfordCannon 03/20/13 - 10:52 am
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@carcraft, gays can

@carcraft, gays can reproduce, of course, and far better than heterosexual, but sterile, couples. The issue I am raising is that lots of heterosexual couples cannot reproduce. That does not preclude them from getting married and adopting children. So, the legal issue clearly is not the ability to reproduce. Well, it has been argued that children from gay couples will not be as well adjusted as children from straight couples. However, the data are ambiguous - and children from either straight or gay couples will be more well adjusted than children from single parents, or adopted children. We have no laws against single parenting or adoption. The rationales being offered all ring hollow. The reason not to allow gay marriage is plain and simple bigotry.

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InChristLove 03/20/13 - 12:06 pm
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The reason not to allow gay

The reason not to allow gay marriage isn't bigotry. The reason is, marriage is not, has never been, and hopefully never will be defined as two males or two females becoming one flesh.

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carcraft 03/20/13 - 08:48 pm
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The presumption is that

The presumption is that heterosexuals will reproduce in marriage and far more do than those that don't . Yet homosexuals in a. "marriage " will never reproduce! There will never be the assumption that the two partners in a gay "marriage "are the biological parents as in a heterosexual marriage. Even "sterile " heterosexuals have surprised the experts. Every once in a while one of the females having surgery will discover she is pregnant! Never had that happen with a gay man and there is no presumption it will! I am not sure how you could force a none biological parent yo pay child support, hard enough to get real parents to pay child support! So the presumption is completely differant for gays in a "marriage "!

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WalterBradfordCannon 03/21/13 - 06:12 am
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Again, the argument is

Again, the argument is whether gay couples should have the same marriage rights as straight couples. Bringing up the fact that couples have children does not alter the arguments, because straight people who cannot reproduce can adopt children, and their children are not as well adjusted as those from married biological parents. If the rationale for not allowing gay marriage is their capability to raise children, shouldn't we also ban marriage for straight couples who cannot have children? Of course not, that idea is idiotic. As is the idea of banning gay marriage BECAUSE of their child rearing capabilities, which are certainly better than single parents, and straight couples who adopt. Reproductive fitness or capability is not a real argument.

There are a variety of equal rights arguments being heard now before the US Supreme Court. A long-time lesbian couple had one of the spouses pass away. Her spouse was taxed on the inheritance differently from the way a straight spouse would have been taxed. It is a fundamental issue of rights - that not all people have the same rights under law to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Some people are more equal than others, and that is not the principle upon which this nation, or the religion of Christianity, were founded.

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