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Gun advocates are wrong. Arming teachers will not keep schoolchildren safe from gun violence. Why? Because only people who possess guns commit gun violence. Unarmed people do not commit gun violence.

The belief that more armed citizens will prevent gun violence is hype, wishful thinking and a marketing ploy to increase gun sales. There are already more than 250 million gun owners in the United States. If more than 250 million gun owners could not prevent the Newtown, Conn., massacre or the Colorado movie theater shooting, how can arming a few teachers prevent gun violence in schools? Answer: It can’t!

As long as there are humans in possession of guns, there will be gun violence. No one, including schoolchildren, will be safe. Arming teachers is an abdication of civility and a capitulation to barbarism.

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Austin Rhodes
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Austin Rhodes 03/12/13 - 11:34 pm
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250 million gun owners...

...who by law...cannot carry on school grounds.

Funny how the killers never follow the rules, but the dead folks always do.

bumblebeerose
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bumblebeerose 03/13/13 - 02:42 am
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To say yes or no to this is hard for me

This is one that is really hard for me to even think about. I have a child in school and yes I want her safe just like all of us want our children safe. Before I would even consider saying no or yes I would like to know what kind of training the teachers would have, where the gun would be kept. How often that teacher would go back and get recertified at the gun range. Could we send the chosen teachers to Police Officer School or to Corrections Officer Training School just so they would have a better knowledge of how to handle these types of situations.

Understand I want all the children protected but I want the people protecting to have the skills to do it as well.

carcraft
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carcraft 03/13/13 - 04:34 am
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bumblebeerose, I agree with

bumblebeerose, I agree with you 100%, teachers with prior military training or who attend training courses and then show profeciency in fire arm use and want the responsibilty should be selected. Isreal has done this. Each school should be analysed and a plan put in place. At Sandy Hook two unarmed school officials responded to the intial break in, and ended up dead!

peace4784
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peace4784 03/13/13 - 05:22 am
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Just remember there are
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Just remember there are plenty of teachers who abuse alcohol, drugs, and are on antidepressants and other mind altering meds. Also, prior military is not a good reason to feel confident. Just keep in mind PTSD and the high suicide rate for military personnel. Americans are addicted to guns and violence and the outcry to protect the kids is just lip service.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 03/13/13 - 07:56 am
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Gun Free Zones

It seems the most dangerous places are gun free zones! We are back to the fact that law abiding citizen are the only ones who obey the laws.

deestafford
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deestafford 03/13/13 - 08:12 am
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Faulty logic on the part of the letter writer.

A gun can be used for good or bad. The armed teachers would be the good guys who are trying to stop the bad guys. As far as training and where would the guns be? The teachers would go thru a certified training and renewed annually. The cost would be beared by the school system. The teachers would carry the gun concealed on their person. It makes no sense to have the gun locked up somewhere so that the teachers would have to run and get it because it would then be too late.
I wonder how much hands on gun experience the people who are against guns in school have.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/13/13 - 08:17 am
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Incredible!!

The audacity of some people is repulsive;

"Gun advocates are wrong. Arming teachers will not keep schoolchildren safe from gun violence. Why? Because only people who possess guns commit gun violence."

So, ALL people who possess guns, commit violent acts? Are you trying to say that the teachers of our children can't be trusted; and would commit acts of violence if we armed them? Would you also advocate disarming our law enforcement; since only armed persons commit gun crimes? Maybe they could throw rocks at the bad guys, or tase the bad guy holding the .45 caliber hand cannon.

250 Million gun owners..........and how many mass shooters in history?? Care to answer that? Well, let me help you; since 1982 there have been 61 mass shootings with 31 one of those being school shootings. Those schools shootings include anywhere from TWO to many victims. 61 out of 250 Million; about the same odds as winning the lottery. Hey, maybe I should go buy a ticket today.

Also, how is my advocating armed teachers, just hype to sell guns? Last time I checked, I'm a deputy; not a gun store owner. I also don't own stock in ANYTHING, including gun manufacturers. My advocating armed teachers is utilizing COMMON SENSE, which many people in today's society appear to be void of. I have NOTHING else in mind, besides making the children more safe.

I also try to live in reality, not some fairy tale world; where guns were never invented. Guess what? They were invented and will ALWAYS be part of our lives. If you pass laws banning EVERY firearm in existence, criminals would still get them. Do you realize you can make a firearm out of a ball point pen? Yes, I realize it would be really hard to do a mass shooting with a single shot pen gun. I'm only using this as an example of how inventive people can be.

This letter is so ridiculous and contradictive, it really doesn't warrant a response. But, as with many others; I'm not going to just allow them to spew filth, unopposed.

So yes, lets do as Mr. Palmer wants and leave our children completely defenseless in "Gun free zones". Leave them and the teachers with absolutely ZERO ability to defend against attack, that makes sense. Mr. Palmer heres a clue; you aren't quite as smart as you think you are. Don't assume that you are right, just because you believe yourself to be brilliant.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/13/13 - 08:26 am
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Certified law enforcement

Certified law enforcement officers in the State of Georgia have to qualify with our firearms EVERY YEAR. That means we must shoot a certain score, in order to prove our ability, once a year in order to retain our certification. If we fail, we lose our certification as a law enforcement officer, period.

We also go through numerous training exercises during the year, not just the once a year qualifying. We go to the range NUMEROUS times during the year. Why can't people see that THIS training and more, is what teachers would have to go through in order to carry. South Dakota is now arming it's teachers. We shall have first hand knowledge of how it works.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/13/13 - 08:34 am
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But I must say; I don't

But I must say; I don't believe the issue is about making people safe at all. I believe it is about disarming the American people; thereby making it more impossible for them to revolt against coming communism/socialism. The Brittish was attempting to disarm American's leading up to the Revolutionary War (Read Patrick Henry's call to arms). Hitler was disarming the citizens leading up to his massive slaughter of millions. He even used the EXACT same rhetoric the LEFT is using today; saying they have to take guns to protect the innocent children. I pray Americans are going to be different than the idiotic germans who believed it; we won't fall for it. You will NEVER get the guns out of our hands.

Mao did it, Mousilini and every other DICTATOR in recent history. So what makes Obama and the LEFT today any different? NOTHING!!

GnipGnop
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GnipGnop 03/13/13 - 08:44 am
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Look....

Why do you think these crazy people picked the theater and the school...because it was the path of least resistance!! From my understanding there was a theater that was within the same distance as the one the Colorado shooter chose but it allowed concealed carriers to carry on the property. The theater where the shooting took place did not. Criminals do not follow laws...that's why they are criminals....DUH!!!

dichotomy
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dichotomy 03/13/13 - 08:57 am
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"If more than 250 million gun

"If more than 250 million gun owners could not prevent the Newtown, Conn., massacre or the Colorado movie theater shooting, how can arming a few teachers prevent gun violence in schools?"

How about the fact that none of those 250 million legal gun owners were allowed to be on the school grounds to protect those kids or have their guns in the theater return fire on the nut on the stage.

I guess your answer is to do nothing and that the nutcases will see that we are being passive and out of the goodness of their heart just quit doing this kind of thing. How are things out there in Fairyland?

HenryWalker3rd
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HenryWalker3rd 03/13/13 - 09:11 am
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Teachers are crazy, too. What
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Teachers are crazy, too.

What if students disable the teacher and take the gun?

Why not armed security, instead?

KSL
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KSL 03/13/13 - 09:51 am
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Dang, Kevin

I own a gun and have not committed an act of violence. Don't plan to either unless somebody up to no good messes with me.

Our society has sunk to the situation where the good guys need to be armed because the bad guys, including misdirected teens surely are!

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/13/13 - 09:51 am
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Henry

I guess you don't have too much faith in teachers also.

"Teachers are crazy, too." GEEZ....

KSL
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KSL 03/13/13 - 09:53 am
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Gee, Henry

You know students who would do that?

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/13/13 - 09:55 am
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Oh Well

"Because only people who possess guns commit gun violence."

Now I know that I am one violent person..!!

KSL
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KSL 03/13/13 - 10:06 am
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8 people

In my immediate family have owned or do own guns. Not one of them has committed an act of violence with a gun, or anything else.

Kevin, this time your logic is horrible (I would have used a 4 letter word plus an s instead of "is horrible" face to face).

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 03/13/13 - 10:30 am
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Henry, what stops cops from

Henry, what stops cops from doing the same thing? They can walk right in to any school, theater with their sidearms on full display.

How would your thugs know the teacher had a weapon and where it is kept? This isn't a proposal to arm the entire staff, but rather select ones who volunteer to get the necessary initial and ongoing training. I imagine those involved would be a well kept secret to keep the thugs guessing.

bubbasauce
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bubbasauce 03/13/13 - 10:32 am
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Mrrr. Palmerrrrr, What world

Mrrr. Palmerrrrr, What world did you come from? It is truly entertaining to hear comments such as yours. Unbelievable!!!!!!!

Sweet son
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Sweet son 03/13/13 - 10:42 am
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@CobaltGeorge

Loved your response! I own guns so I too am a "violent person" who just has never committed a violent act!

Also, I agree with Austin too!

Darby
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Darby 03/13/13 - 11:00 am
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"If more than 250 million gun owners....

could not prevent the Newtown, Conn., massacre..."
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How about that? I learn something new every day. I had NO IDEA that the school there in Newtown was surrounded by 250 million armed Americans.

I wonder how the killer got past them and into the school?

Darby
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Darby 03/13/13 - 10:58 am
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"Unarmed people do not

commit gun violence."
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The letter writer is absolutely correct. No one single kid in that school possessed a weapon and not a single one of those dead kids or the unarmed adults committed gun violence against the perpetrator that fateful day.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/13/13 - 12:08 pm
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"Apathy: The Death of Liberty"

Very Well Writen, had to post.

By Tim Schmidt
USCCA Founder

I once heard a man say, "Apathy is always at the door. He's waiting for you to let him in."

Apathy is like a thief who is waiting for you to slip up and give him access to your home. Once Apathy gets in, he steals your livelihood and takes away everything that is valuable to you.

While this metaphorical image seems obscure, it's a perfect picture of what can happen to our rights if we are not vigilant. Sure, it's easy to speak up for your rights, beliefs, and convictions in the heat of an election or public debate, but what happens six months after the debate dies down? What happens a year after? Most people let Apathy in the door and they let him rob them of their values and convictions.

Becoming apathetic about the natural born rights we have to defend ourselves and our loved ones is not something that anyone can afford. The moment you become apathetic about your beliefs, you risk the chance of losing them forever.

What am I getting at? You've probably noticed by now that I, along with many of our writers, have been saying the same things about our rights over, and over again lately. Do you know why? Because we are unwilling to let Apathy in our front door to rob us of our liberty. Our rights are worth causing a stir over, and you will not see any of us sitting down to see how this plays out. Waiting for things to pan out will only lead to defeat.

I want to encourage you to stave off apathy during a time of political and corrupt scheming. Lend your voice to the cause of freedom, and contribute to preserving the rights that were afforded us by the blood of countless patriots.

Your action can preserve the freedom that our children deserve. Not acting can cause devastation they should not have to bear.

Tim Schmidt
Publisher - Concealed Carry Report
USCCA Founder

Darby
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Darby 03/13/13 - 01:48 pm
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"What if students disable the.....

teacher and take the gun? Why not armed security, instead?"
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Sounds like a plan.. Oh oh, wait... just had a thought... What if the teachers disable the armed security and take their guns??

Why not a Ranger or Navy Seal detachment instead?

Can't be too careful..

harley_52
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harley_52 03/13/13 - 03:20 pm
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What If...

....a herd of winged elephants fly in and land in the school parking lot, then overpowering the Rangers and Seals?

Then what?

HenryWalker3rd
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HenryWalker3rd 03/13/13 - 03:21 pm
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Why not armed security? Why
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Why not armed security?

Why not arm Doctors and nurses too?

What about restaurant workers too.

And we can't forget about those zoo workers.

Hell, lets just arm everyone; that way, we will be safe.....right???

Darby
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Darby 03/13/13 - 03:38 pm
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"Hell, lets just arm everyone;....

that way, we will be safe.....right???"
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Well, that might work, although arming a small group of teachers who have volunteered, undergo thorough weapons training and an extensive psychological evaluation seems like a really good plan to me.

Or we could just do nothing.... but wait, that's already been tried hasn't it?

harley_52
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harley_52 03/13/13 - 03:45 pm
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"Hell, lets just arm everyone; that way, we will be safe....

...right???"

An armed society is a polite society.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/13/13 - 04:21 pm
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If

in the next 2 weeks, all the bills that are being considered right now in congress, All of us Law Abiding American Citzens can kiss our guns goodbye or go to jail and Henry can be glad that the crazy killers will then be in control.

Research the bills that are in review on gun control..unbelievable! if just one passes the second no longer exist.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 03/13/13 - 04:31 pm
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The Hammer & Sickle Man Making His Move

“Gun Trafficking”

So-called “Gun trafficking” is the gun grabbers’ latest scheme, and it’s flying fast under the radar.

The ultimate goal is to hand Obama's ATF goons the power to terrorize gun owners via sting operations, and get gun owners to start screaming for a national gun registry.

There’s Senator Patrick Leahy’s so-called Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act of 2013 (S. 443) and Kristin Gillibrand’s Gun Trafficking Prevention Act (S. 179) in the Senate, and then there’s the Scott Rigell/Carolyn Maloney Gun Trafficking Prevention Act (H.R. 452) in the House.

Unfortunately, S. 443 cleared the Judiciary Committee and could be on the Senate floor any day now.

More properly referred to as the Forced Gun Owner Registration Act, S. 443 imposes harsh sentences on gun owners – up to 15 years in prison – for buying a firearm to sell our give a "prohibited person."

Already, 150,000 of our nation’s veterans are considered “prohibited” just because they acknowledged stress on returning from war.

So just buying a shotgun for a son returning home from Afghanistan - so you could spend some time in the woods together hunting like the old days - could be enough to land you in jail for 15 years.

And since Barack Obama just issued an Executive Order calling on Attorney General Eric Holder to “review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun,” the definition of “prohibited” could change any day.

While there is some language claiming to protect folks who sell to "prohibited persons," it will almost be assuredly be abused by ATF agents anxious to nail gun owners to the wall.

The only way for law-abiding Second Amendment supporters to ultimately prove their innocence would be if every firearms transfer is signed off on by the Federal Government -- paving the way for a national gun registry.

And you and I both know so-called “gun registration” is the first step toward TOTAL GUN CONFISCATION!

“Mental Health Screenings”

The gun grabbers love to twist words to advance gun control. And “mental health screening” is just a ruse for creating a National No Gun Database.

Of course, the gun grabbers are willing to use virtually any excuse they can conjure up to put as many Americans as possible on their “mental health” list.

Have you ever served in the military or experienced a traumatic family situation like a death in the family? I FALL IN BOTH SITUATIONS

If you’re prescribed anything at all - or even if you complain of stress to the wrong person - that could be enough for you to lose your Second Amendment rights.

38 states have some sort of mental health database, and they're already being used to strip law-abiding Americans of their Second Amendment rights.

In fact, studies show that over 100,000 military veterans have been stripped of their gun rights already just from acknowledging stress on returning from war.

And one former Surgeon General estimated that 46.4% of Americans will have mental health issues at some point in their lives!

That should give you some idea of just how many law-abiding Americans can be stripped of their gun rights with "mental health" charges alone.

Do we really want to strip nearly half of all Americans of their gun rights?

Of course not.

But you can bet President Obama does.

That’s why President Obama is planning to use provisions of his “Obamacare” bill to create the “mental health” database the gun grabbers’ want.

Not only that, but a number of Barack Obama’s 23 Executive Orders on “gun violence” have to do with developing ways to get the mental health records of every American into a national database - accessible by the ATF, FBI and other government agencies.

To the gun-grabbers, disarming half of America for life with a simple “mental health” database within a year or two’s time sounds like a dream come true!

The bad news is, this dangerous scheme has bipartisan support.

Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake are “eyeing” legislation that would FORCE states to turn over mental health records to the federal government to be put into Barack Obama’s National No Gun Database.

“Expanded Background Checks”

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the only way to enforce “background checks” is to hand the feds a record of EVERY firearm transferred through a Federal Firearms Licensee.

Of course, the gun grabbers claim federal officials destroy every record in the system after a set time, but do you really trust Barack Obama or Eric Holder to do so?

For example, in Pennsylvania, state officials were caught violating the law by keeping permanent records of “background checks” including the name of the gun owner and the specific gun purchased.

To call “background checks” anything but gun registration is a lie - and everyone knows gun registration leads to gun confiscation!

Besides, “expanding background checks” has nothing to do with the recent tragedy in Newtown.

A Justice Department survey found that 93% of handgun predators obtained their guns “off-the-record,” commonly by stealing them as the Connecticut shooter did.

None of these schemes are about stopping actual criminals.

They’re about taking away your rights.

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