Pro-gay letter fell flat

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The letter “Gays merely want rights” by John Cashin (Feb. 22) was the lamest attempt to be cool and progressive that I have ever seen.

When did unnatural sex become a civil right? Funk & Wagnalls defines unnatural as “contrary to the laws of nature.” Homosexuality rarely occurs in the natural world because snakes know better, monkeys know better, and birds, fish, lizards and even insects know better.

Mr. Cashin states that gays have no agenda. That is the second-most preposterous statement in his letter. His most ridiculous statement is that no laws have been broken. A Georgia law criminalizes sodomy. Sheriffs’ deputies have a legal obligation to arrest any person they witness engaged in any act of sodomy.

He asks why we don’t write letters protesting rape, murder or incest. The answer? We don’t have to. Society has the good sense to arrest and jail those people.

He says “They just want their rights.” I guess he means civil rights, which are described by Funk & Wagnalls as private and nonpolitical. Do us all a favor and keep your sexual preferences private and nonpolitical.

By one reliable estimate, more than 97 percent of U.S. citizens are heterosexual. Why do we have to cater to the 3 percent? After years of research and billions of dollars spent, geneticists are unable to find a gene that causes people to be homosexual. Until we know that a person can be genetically predisposed to be homosexual, it remains a matter of choice.

Today’s gay rights movement may be the first time in history that such a small group of people have been so vocal, so adamant and so public to promote a sexual activity. The 97 percent have much more important things to attend to, such as God, family, jobs, food, clothes and shelter.

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Valkyrie1
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Valkyrie1 02/26/13 - 02:06 am
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Addressing "Unnatural"

Actually homosexual behavior is quite common in nature. It spans quite a bit of the animal kingdom. I can't even begin to list here all of the species that exhibit homosexual behavior. I recommend reading Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity, it goes in depth into the research on homosexuality in nature. It is generally found in species when they overpopulate. 6 billion+ people in this world definitely qualifies as over population.

Valkyrie1
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Valkyrie1 02/26/13 - 02:10 am
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Also, thanks to the SCOTUS

Also, thanks to the SCOTUS sodomy laws are constitutionally invalid. Not to mention Georgia's supreme court struck the sodomy law in 2004.

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soldout 02/26/13 - 04:17 am
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sin

God would not call something a sin and then cause you to have to do it. If it was a gene thing they would have died out long ago. Just like all our activity; it is a choice. Some who believed they were gay were treated for the bad effects of soy and then they don't feel that way anymore. They are then free from the anger and strife of that lifestyle.

Jesus will always show us how to be free of any sin and bondage while satan is out to kill and destroy. God gives us the choice to sin if we desire but He also gave a way to receive forgiveness and His advice through His son was to "go and sin no more". The peace and joy of an relationship with Jesus always beats the temporary pleasure of sin.

The gay lifestyle is also a pro-death lifestyle; just like abortion, it stops the reproduction of life.

People who know they are right on something never scream and demand to be thought of as being right. The one with the weak position always makes the most noise.

Choose Jesus; if you don't like Him the devil is always willing to take us back. By the way parents; if you want "that boy to be all boy drop the soy". That probably is true for the health of girls too but haven't seen any research or seen results of that.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 06:06 am
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Sullivent's ignorant anti-gay response
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What a horrible and bigoted person John Sullivent must be. And how unhappy and uncomfortable with his own life that he must come out with such bigoted, ignorant vitriol against the gay community. You know Mr. Sullivent, there are scientific studies where men who are vocally anti-gay, gay men, and men that are ambivalent to gay folks are shown gay porn. Electrodes connected to the "privates" show states of arousal. Guess what group gets " aroused" the quickest when watching gay porn? BINGO! The vocally anti-gay, homophobic men. You may wish to consider that before you spout off next time.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 06:11 am
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The bible argument
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Hey folks, you can lay off the bible thumping. The country is moving forward on marriage equality whether you like it or not. I for one choose not to be ruled over by a 2000 year old set of myths, scratched onto old goat skins by a bunch of ignorant peasants huddled around a camel dung fire pit. Keep your worn out mores to yourself. This might be Georgia, but this nations is not a theocracy and never will be. Your flaccid deity dangling between crossed sticks has no power. Go bully somewhere else. Gay folks aren't going to take it anymore.

myfather15
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myfather15 02/26/13 - 06:22 am
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@Valkyrie

"I can't even begin to list here all of the species that exhibit homosexual behavior."

.......and exactly how many of those animal species naturally PROCREATE with the same sex?

I could NOT possibly care less who someone sleeps with for pleasure, love, etc. But when it comes to voting for it to become legal which is basically saying it's morally acceptable as normal (which it isn't); I would never vote for it unless they can NATURALLY procreate, period.

Nature, dictates the vast majority of our lives and it should be the deciding factor in this as well. A perfectly HEALTHY man and woman can procreate, replentishing the world. A perfectly healthy man and man or woman and woman can do NOTHING but love one another. Guess what? They are free to do this all day and all night, no one is stopping them from doing this!! No one is trying to pass laws saying gays can't love one another, or live together, period. Get this, WE DON'T CARE!! But we will if people keep shoving this UNNATURAL stuff down our throats.

Yes, it IS unnatural. Because whether you believe in God, or evolution, big bang theory, ect. Somehow, Some way a NATURAL ORDER came about; you CAN'T deny this. This NATURAL order is that a man and woman ONLY is able to produce additional LIFE, which is the great miracle.

The day I see a man pregnant or a woman pregnant from another woman, maybe we could have a further discussion, but that will NEVER happen, as much as you hope for it, it's NOT going to happen.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 06:30 am
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"I would never vote for it
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"I would never vote for it unless they can NATURALLY procreate" myfather15

Thankfully, your stance is becoming more and more irrelevant and soon the Supreme Court will decide the issue. What will you do then darling? Soon enough, even GEORGIA will join the other states and nations that have gay marriage, marriages that are just as legal and real and your mammy and pappy had. Places like..CT, DC, IA, MA, MD, ME, NH, NY, VT, WA, Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain and Sweden ( both the UK & France are legalizing this year). Equality is coming. Love conquers all.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/26/13 - 06:40 am
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Wow, that's the way to tell

Wow, that's the way to tell them Augusta Atheist. Show us some more of that tolerance your group talks so much about. (sarcasm)

Go ahead TSDers, get busy.....think I'll go thump my bible some more this morning and throw some more camel dung on the fire. Thought about praying for you AA but after a comment like that I think I'll let my flaccid deity handle you.

Same ole "stuff", just a different day.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 06:43 am
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Why are xtians so mean spirited?
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Thought about praying for you AA but after a comment like that I think I'll let my flaccid deity handle you. Inchristlove

I'll start my stopwatch now. You let me know when your king of kings can even restore an amputated pinkie toe, much less "handle me"

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/26/13 - 06:49 am
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Mean spirited? Not at all

Mean spirited? Not at all AA, your battle is bigger than I and I'll let the Lord deal with you. May not have seen an amputated pinkie toe restored but I can tell you I've witnessed many a healing. Believe or not, doesn't matter to me and as for God Almighty "handling you". Sir/Mame, he already has, you're just not aware of it yet.

myfather15
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myfather15 02/26/13 - 06:51 am
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@Augustaathiest

You are correct in a many ways. But just as with the gun control issue, the people are willfully asleep. They will continue to sleep until something happens that wakes them up and YES it takes a LOT to wake people up. The federal government had better tread lightly on this issue, because if they decide to legislate individual States, to recognize gay marriage as legal, there will be serious backlash.

I have no problem with your personal belief system, which obviously you don't believe in God; thats your business. But it would be dangerous for people like yourself to assume you are becoming the majority. The VAST majority of people in this Country are religious and more specifically, Christian. But, the majority AREN'T activists, but just people who want to live peaceably with ALL people, just living a simple quiet life.

The reason your side is winning, is NOT because the majority of people are believing as you do; it's because the left has used liberal judges and politicians to FORCE their will upon people. Yes, several States have legalized gay marriage but those States are liberal havens. To say the COUNTRY is going this direction, is misguided at best. Yes, Obama and his minions are trying to get people to change their minds, but don't be fooled into believing the majority believes like this. When and IF it is pushed upon a people, without their consent, there will be serious consequences.

Yes, it will take something extrordinary to wake the people up, but it will happen. You can only kick a sleeping dog for so long before he bites, its just that simple. Same with the gun control issue.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 06:54 am
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InChristlove?
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Amusing that you don't see the irony in your own screen name. Looking back on your profile, the majority of your posts deal with homosexuality. You really have an obsession there darling! Marriage equality is coming, whether you like it or not. Oh no, gay folks getting married! Kissing in public! In Augusta? Time for you to put your tin foil hat back on and go back into the garage to listen to your police scanner. I'm still waiting on that flaccid mythic deity of yours to do anything at all..........

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 06:56 am
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Yes our side IS WINNING.
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The reason your side is winning, is NOT because the majority of people are believing as you do; it's because the left has used liberal judges and politicians to FORCE their will upon people. myfather15

Sorry Charlie! People like you made the very same arguments against interracial marriage and segregation. How did THAT work for Georgia ?

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SteveSwimmer 02/26/13 - 07:01 am
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ABOMINATIONS?

CONDESCENDING SUPERCILIOUS GAY BASHER BASHING FOR BEGINNERS

Gay bashers take note: eating shellfish is an "abomination" as is homosexuality, so says, Biblical Leviticus' proclamations. Yet, we Americans cannot reject a Maine lobster tail drawn in butter. Fact is, regardless any authority, shellfish eating is here to stay and no one cares who eats stuffed crab or Cherrystone clams.

Likewise, homosexuality, permanently ingrained in our human being, is equally here to stay, will not change and must integrate with complete equality for justice to reign in our Great Nation.

Gay bashers save your breath for other bashing; such as, perhaps, adulterers. Here, God devoted an entire Commandment. Better yet: leave peaceful peoples sexuality alone and enroll in an anger management program. Then, the Gay community can live in peace and our Country will be better served.

Leave the Gay community alone. There is nothing wrong with being Gay that two or three generations of equality won't cure.

When ultra-right wing Christians denigrate the homosexual lifestyle, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an "abomination" for men; and, only men who "lie" together. I mean, nothing is said concerning women or oral sex. So, what's with involving Lesbian folks in the religious debate?

Regarding some other elements of Biblical rules and how to follow them, I also wonder:

1. Leviticus 11:10. "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, they shall be an 'abomination' unto you." A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination; it is a lesser abomination than being Gay. I don't agree. I think an abomination is an abomination; thus, eating fried oysters is equivalent to Gay (males) on the Leviticus abomination scale. Can anyone settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

2. Leviticus 20:20, "And if a man shall lie with his uncle's wife", they shall die childless." Is this worse than the abominations of eating crab Louie or being a Gay male? And, why does death for adultery escape God's notice here?

3. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? Can my slaves be Gay as long as they are not Jewish?

4. I would like to sell my Daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? Also, Since God clearly favors homosexual females (by withholding the admonishment of abomination as reserved for Gay men): do you think I could get a better price advertising her as a Lesbian?

5. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

6. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1: 9. The problem is: my neighbors. They claim the odor is not so pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

7. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2, clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

8. Lev. 21:20. "Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye" may not approach the altar of God. Does this include a defect in my sight? I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

9. Lev. 21:21. "No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire." Is this the authority by which ultra-right wing Christians often state: "If he's got one drop of Jew blood he is of the Devil"? And, speaking of Aaron. How can he die twice? Once on Mt. Hor (Numbers: 20:26-29) and some time latter in Mosera (Deut. 10.6). Is there a Resurrection story missing here?

10. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

11. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

12. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14).

There are many other questions one can ask. Especially, why are ultra-right wing Christians so obsessed with Gay people; yet, ignore those who: "lieth" with his father's wife; "lie" with his daughter-in-law; take a wife and her mother; "curseth" his father or his mother, or "committeth" adultery. All as death sentence worthy, according to Leviticus, as if a man lies with a man.

Agreed, it is abundantly clear: God's word is eternal and unchanging. I mean, Leviticus has been the same for 5000 years and is not going to change.

It is we who change: today homosexuality and eating shellfish religious attention, rightfully, commands far less credence. In fact, hardly anyone knows eating shrimp as an "abomination." We long ago found that shrimp scampi and the likes were no abomination at all and too delicious to pass up. So, with little compunction, over time, we equalized shellfish with other foods we enjoy.

Accordingly, allow Gay folks privacy with equality and in a couple of generations no one will care about the present day stigmata of homosexuality any more than we notice today's diners enjoying Hawaiian prawns or poached Maine lobster drawn in lemon butter.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/26/13 - 07:06 am
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SteveSwimmer, go join a bible

SteveSwimmer, go join a bible class and learn something. You are so far off base scripturally speaking.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/26/13 - 07:11 am
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AA, darling, evidently you

AA, darling, evidently you didn't search very far. Most of the comments lately have been in reference to articles posted on here and guess what.....the majority have been about homosexual behavior because several of the articles published in the paper have been about homosexual behavior. Evidently you're not aware of the rules of the game, you post comments relating to the articles.

Since my life revolves around Christ and spirtual matters, I normally post on articles pertaining to that subject. I'm not into politics or local matters but do enjoy reading and learning, just don't have much to comment on them.

(AA) "People like you made the very same arguments against interracial marriage and segregation"

That's a mighty wide brush you are painting with "darling".

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:11 am
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adultery vs homosexuality in the bible
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Since the bible mentions adultery 68 times, and homosexuality about 7, I wonder what God is more concerned about? It also makes you wonder about the mindset of the bible thumpers on this board who go out of their way to gay-bash. Seems god would rather they rise up against loose women and philandering men. I don't remember seeing gay in the 10 commandments, but adultery is there. Didn't "god" make those his top 10 laws? So why all the focus on gay folks? Can you say HYPOCRITES?

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:17 am
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grinning bible thumping goons in Augusta
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Since my life revolves around Christ and spirtual matters, I normally post on articles pertaining to that subject. inchristlove

Hate filled bigots like you, hiding behind the thin veneer of " spiritual matters" are exactly the reason I gave up on the church decades ago. You have no power here and you are about to be as obsolete as that dusty old tome you thump so often. Oh, and in regards to my bringing up that bigots like you also used the bible to argue against interracial marriage and for segregation? I think that my brush painted a very realistic picture. You may need to get your eyes checked to see the picture clearly.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/26/13 - 07:20 am
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"Since the bible mentions

"Since the bible mentions adultery 68 times, and homosexuality about 7, I wonder what God is more concerned about? "

Well AA, since you think it's all hogwash anyway, why use it to make your point?

I've not seen (or read) any gay bashing, just a few comments that state they don't believe in homosexual conduct or believe in gay marriage. So I guess, according to you now, if someone disagrees with you, they are a gay basher? Only hypocrite, are those who want tolerance but can't give it themselves. Be careful, someone might think you fit that category.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/26/13 - 07:24 am
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AA, you gave up the church

AA, you gave up the church because you are a sinner not because of anything else. Let's be truthful here, you have no relationship with Christ so of course you refuse anything spiritual regarding Him, not because someone said or acted some way.

As for my power, you are correct. It is not power but the power of the one who made me. As for obsolete, you can only wish.

Pal
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Pal 02/26/13 - 07:25 am
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Such hate, AugAtheist

I am okay with gay marriage, but your hate-filled, malicious posts denigrating everyone and everything that disagree with you may not win you many converts.

You have become what you hate.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:26 am
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Inchristlove + hates gays = BIGOT
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I really don't believe in "christian" conduct. And I could really care less for your ideas on tolerance since the church have never been known to show any. Gays getting married? That " threatens" family stability? Tell you what loin- cloth- britches. When a few gay folks getting married threatens the entire xtian rock solid family structure. You folks really need to reconsider your viewpoint. And get a grip on reality.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:30 am
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AA, you gave up the church
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AA, you gave up the church because you are a sinner not because of anything else. inchristlove

No flaming-bush, I gave up because I studied all religions and found them all based on fable and myth. The fact that the Southern x-tians are some of the most mean and hypocritical people on the planet just helped me move past it faster. People like you who use the bible as a whip are the very antithesis of what Jesus stood for. As Gandhi stated " “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”. He could have been looking you dead in your beady reptilian eye when he said that.

myfather15
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myfather15 02/26/13 - 07:34 am
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@Augustaathiest

You said "Thankfully, your stance is becoming more and more irrelevant and soon the Supreme Court will decide the issue."

Thank you; you just proved my point. It won't be WE THE PEOPLE to decide the issue, but a panel of mostly liberal federal judges, imposing their will upon the people. That was my point exactly; I KNOW they will do this, but it won't be by the WILL of the people. It isn't because MOST people have progressed to your view, it's because it's being FORCED upon people. Eventually, people will wake up to this.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:34 am
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xtian hypocrites in Augusta
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"Since the bible mentions adultery 68 times, and homosexuality about 7, I wonder what God is more concerned about? "

Well AA, since you think it's all hogwash anyway, why use it to make your point? inchristlove

And since the bible is your entire way of life, why don't you live it instead of picking and choosing the verses you wish to follow? BIGOT.

Valkyrie1
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Valkyrie1 02/26/13 - 07:37 am
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Procreate Naturally?

So you feel it shouldn't be legal for people who are infertile to be married? They can't procreate naturally...

Valkyrie1
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Valkyrie1 02/26/13 - 07:38 am
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Also the moral issue is more

Also the moral issue is more of a religious one. The religion I believe in allows for homosexuality therefore it is not morally reprehensible to me. The 1st Amendment prohibits the government from legislating from a religious standpoint.

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:40 am
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Hate?
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Why when a mean spirited, ignorant, bible thumping x-tian makes derogatory, insulting, demeaning and hate filled statements about a group they are just "hating the sin and loving the sinner", but when you defend yourself and call them out for being a bunch of inbred snake-handling homophobes with barely decipherable I.Q.'s that is called "hate"? It's not hate homophobes. It's a combination of justice and long deserved revenge. EAT IT.

myfather15
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myfather15 02/26/13 - 07:45 am
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Also, I didn't use the Bible

Also, I didn't use the Bible in my argument. I see you can NOT refute the facts I put out, so you attack the messenger. Calling me names you can't prove. Actually hurting your argument, to any common sense possessing citizen. You don't even know who I am, so how do you say I stand against interracial marriage or for segregation?

Can a Black man and a white woman procreate? Why, yes they can. Can a black man and white man procreate? Why, no they can't. What about a black woman and white woman? Why, no they can't. See, people like you who want to further your agenda without facts, just emotional rhetoric, throw RACE into the equation, and RACE has NO PLACE in this argument. Where there is ZERO doubt a person is born of a certain race, there is certainly doubt, even in the scientific community, whether people are born gay.

Whether you believe God created us, or whether we "Evolved", there are many different PROVABLE RACES. Now, show me the PROOF people are born gay, NOT just you and others SAYING they are. Also, our definition of discrimination are completely different I suppose. I've never HARMED another human being out of hate or dislike of their lifestyle. My only stance against homosexuality is that is should NOT be legalized a marriage. Other than that, it's their business what they do. But THAT in itself, is clearly bigotry in YOUR VIEW!

AugustaAtheist
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AugustaAtheist 02/26/13 - 07:47 am
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myfather15 = Homophobic IDIOT
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My only stance against homosexuality is that is should NOT be legalized a marriage. myfather15

Who the bleep cares what a tard like you thinks? And why in the world should YOU get to vote on what happens in MY bedroom you ignorant toothless cretin?

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