Benefit isn't a handout

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I have never read anything that is so asinine, ridiculous and disgusting as the as the article written Jan. 31 by syndicated columnist Walter Williams (“Official lies”). He wrote, “We can’t blame politicians. It’s the American people who will crucify a politician who even talks about cutting their favorite handout.”

Since when is Social Security a handout, when I am 79 years old, have worked many years and paid lots of money into this system? It is my money. Also, how dare these idiots in Washington call this an entitlement. This is not like we are receiving food stamps – we paid into this system. This system was supposed to be only for Social Security. We would not have this problem today if Washington would not have spent it on anything they felt like, and put IOUs in what was supposed to be a “lock box.” If this system were handled as proposed originally, the interest that would have accumulated over the years we would have plenty of money today, and we’d not have to worry about it running out of funds. Plus we would get more money each month.

As far as I am concerned your paper should have edited this column or rejected it. I really could not believe what I read. I really believe many seniors feel the same way.

Viola M. Slechta

Grovetown

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csrareader
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csrareader 02/17/13 - 08:32 am
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Unfortunately, it's not your

Unfortunately, it's not your money. The Supreme Court ruled in 1960 that taxpayers have no legal claim to money they pay into Social Security. It's the Government's right to distribute money in any way they see fit - so yes, it is a benefit. That money no longer belongs to you. That's the sad truth. Quite simply, the Social Security System is a Ponzi scheme, and if it was a private entity instead of the Government, someone would be in prison.

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deestafford 02/17/13 - 09:35 am
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With all due respect to the letter writer

I believe she is misinterpreting what Walter Williams said and meant. He was making a point that there would be no hold up in the Social Security checks because the democtats keep saying we have over $1T dollars in the trust fun so we should use that money. (Of course, we all know there is nothing but a bunch of IOUs in there and the democrats are playing a shell game.) He has always been in favor of revising SS for those younger than a certain age such as 45. Nothing would change for those currently on SS and those who are "close" to becoming eligible for SS. Yes, the letter writer as well as myself, paid into SS and are drawing benefits and some call it an entitlement; but, as we know words in DC have some scewed up meanings and entitlements is one such word and Mr Williams indicated as much in his column. As to the term "handout" which the letter writer is so agitated about he was referring to all the dispersments coming from DC and not SS per se. He meant that no matter what anyone tried to reform there would be those against it. To me, Walter E. Williams and Thomas Sowell along with the late Milton Friedman are the greatest economists in the history of the US. When one reads what he writes one has to understand he is writing as an economist. If I thought he was calling SS a handout, I too would be upset, yet that is not his intent and never has been in any of his writing.

avidreader
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avidreader 02/17/13 - 09:49 am
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Viola Is Cool!

Viola, others can post on this board and slice and dice your comments however they choose, but your letter is a MORALLY correct view, no matter what the Supreme Court or others think. Social Security should NOT be considered an entitlement, period.

Great letter!

soapy_725
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soapy_725 02/17/13 - 10:00 am
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Playing with words. Eliminating the evil word WELFARE.
Unpublished

"An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation. A "right" is itself an entitlement associated with a moral or social ..."

Entitlement sounds like something your worked to receive. Welfare sounds like some you were given via charity (major downer for self esteem) It is, after all, everyone's money.

See how easy it is to make those who have not paid into a retirement fund eligible for that retirement fund. PASS A LAW. Jimmy Carter did just that in 1972. The Communist Baptist Sunday School teacher redistributed the wealth.

Look at history. What was going on in the rest of the world when FDR gave us the New Deal (old Communist Deal) via the Social Security Act of 1935. FDR was viewed as the savior of the masses. Think about it. As part of FDR's New Deal was a move by him to add six additional Supreme Court Justice, appointed by him, to expedite additional socialist legislation. Some of his program were ruled unconstitutional by the sitting six judges.

We don't have a Welfare State, we have an Entitlement State. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. It almost sound biblical. God's good work. Marx was actually a modern day Jewish Prophet.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 02/17/13 - 10:03 am
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History of SS in America....Get the facts first
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- 1930 Congress approves the "analysis and documentation" of the 1880 through 1920 U.S. Censuses with
"Soundex Coding"
- Mid 1930's President Roosevelt attempts to have the Constitution changed to allow for
15 Justices of the Supreme Court, thereby allowing him to appoint six Justices.
Some of his programs were ruled unconstitutional by the sitting nine justices.
- President Roosevelt signs the Social Security Act of 1935 on August 14, 1935 as part of
his New Deal
- 1937 Payroll Taxes for SS begin ( FICA)
- 1937 to 1951 53,236 S.S. Lump Sum Death Benefits are paid
(prior to 1951 that equaled payee’s contributions)
- 1937 and 1938 2 billion dollars collected for "Trust Fund"
- 1939 U.S. is in a recession blamed on FDR's policies
- 1939 Collection of tax moved from Social Security Administration to the Internal Revenue Service
- 1939 An amendment changed from a "reserve trust" to a "pay as you go" system.
- January 31, 1940, Ida May Fuller received the first monthly SS benefit payment in Vermont. Ida May
Fuller had paid SS taxes for 1937, 1938 and 1939 totaling $24.75. He first monthly benefit was
$22.54. With the February benefit check she had surpassed her entire contributions. She lived to
be 100 years old and collected $22,888.92.
- 1960's Disability Benefits for Veterans Administration is moved to the Social Security Administration
- 1965 President Lyndon Johnson signs Medicare Act. Social Security Benefits began to draw down
"Trust Fund"
- 1970's to present Social Security has been on the brink of insolvency
- 1972 SSI or Supplemental Security Income in added to Social Security Benefits to include immigrants,
Non-citizens and other in the United States who have never paid into the SS system.
- 1972 Cost of Living Allowance {COLA } is added to benefit payments
- 1983 President Reagan signs the bill to "tax SS benefits"
- 2004 Benefits paid exceed $500 billion
- 2008 SS is the largest "government program" in the world in dollars spent
- 2008 SS is the largest single US expenditure @ 20.8% (defense @ 20.5%; Medicare @ 20.1%)
- 2009 SS comprises 37% of "government spending"
- 2009 SS spending is equal to 7% of G.D.P
- 2009 85 million deaths are recorded at Social Security Death Index

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deestafford 02/17/13 - 11:42 am
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I guess it comes down to

what one means as ''entitlement". If one means getting something for nothing and not being deserved that is a poor definition and unfortunately that is what some in DC wants everything to be. On the other hand, if one means that an ''entitlement'' is something that one has earned by putting in contributions then that is something else. Websters has the definition of "to furnish with proper grounds for seeking or claiming something." I think using that as a definition SS is an entitlement in that it is something for which we have proper grounds; i.e, our evidence of our contribution for receiving it. I don't think welfare, free cell phones, WIC programs, food stamps, and the like would qualify as entitlements nor do I think Mr Williams is putting SS in that same category. I agree that the term "entitlement" has come to mean to many of us something that people get because they think they deserve it simply because of their circumstances or simply for being on this earth and gracing us with their presence. My whole point in all of this is to try to correct what I think is a false impression of Mr Williams' comments...not that Viola is not "entitled" to her SS or that she is getting a handout. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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palmetto1008 02/17/13 - 02:32 pm
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Defining "entitlement" is
Unpublished

Defining "entitlement" is like spliting hair, I'm a bit more concerned with Ms. Slectcha's advocation of censorship.

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Darby 02/17/13 - 04:33 pm
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"The Supreme Court ruled in 1960 that taxpayers...

have no legal claim to money they pay into Social Security"

It's my understanding that the court ruling simply meant that even though IT IS YOUR MONEY, you can't demand that what you paid into the system be summarily handed back to you on demand. That's a far cry from saying it's not your money.

Still, Social Security has been corrupted into a government run ponzi scheme. Not a doubt about that.

Generally speaking, the Democrats consider Social Security to be a government handout or benefit. And by the same token, most Republicans are of the opinion that it's your money to begin with.

Dems often complain that some people get more out of the system than they put in. That's true, but many people die before drawing anything from the system. Don't hear any complaints from liberals about that.

Those folks who do die befoe drawing benefits lose it all. Their estate or survivors get zilch.

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Conservative Man 02/17/13 - 06:06 pm
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Social Security and Medicare should not be......

...considered "entitlements" as you have paid into them. But as was correctly pointed out above, the Supreme Court ruled otherwise... Medicare, Food Stamps, SSI, etc ARE entitlements and will ultimately bankrupt this country.
I wonder what will happen the day (and it WILL come) that the checks aren't in the mail......

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carcraft 02/17/13 - 06:17 pm
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A couple of points

A couple of points If you are a minor and have never contributed to social security you can qualify for disability based on YOUR PARENTS SS qualifications! Children also qualify for benefits based on parents history. Benefits are based on length of time what you contributed. Now you do not leave your social security benefits to your estate. You do not have a "right "to social security benefits. Social security, in my mind, is a quasi entitlement!

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Willow Bailey 02/17/13 - 06:54 pm
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@conservativeman "I wonder

@conservativeman "I wonder what will happen the day (and it WILL come) that the checks aren't in the mail......"

pandemonium

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Willow Bailey 02/17/13 - 06:56 pm
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Miss Viola, I understand your

Miss Viola, I understand your concern and feel your pain. Congrats on the letter and the courage to speak out about the scam that has been perpetrated against hard working, tax paying, Americans of all ages. We could have invested our own money and been much better off for it.

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burninater 02/17/13 - 07:07 pm
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Viola, you have heard their

Viola, you have heard their message loud and clear.

Their presidential nominee declared the 47% not paying Federal income taxes to be people "dependent on gov't, who believe that they are victims" -- and over 3/4 of that 47% are fixed-income seniors, i.e. Social Security recipients.

The irony is that the CSRA private sector economy is virtually built on tax payer dollars (Fort Gordon, SRS, MCG, NSA, etc.). Those in areas like the CSRA, built on other peoples' tax dollars, who think people receiving money they paid into SS are dependents with a victim complex, only confirm the Jindal doctrine.

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justthefacts 02/17/13 - 08:59 pm
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Doubt it

"and over 3/4 of that 47% are fixed-income seniors, i.e. Social Security recipients."

Bruno
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Bruno 02/17/13 - 10:38 pm
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The money you paid into it

The money you paid into it plus average interest is one thing. The next dollar you take past that point is a hand out.

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csrareader 02/18/13 - 06:50 am
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FLEMMING V. NESTOR 363 U.S. 603

In the 1960 Supreme Court decision, the plaintiff's denial of benefits was upheld even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was already receiving benefits. The individual appealed the termination of his benefits, arguing, among other claims, that promised Social Security benefits were a contract and that Congress could not renege on that contract. In its ruling, the Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right.

Verbatim from the Supreme Court ruling:
"BUT EACH WORKER'S BENEFITS, THOUGH FLOWING FROM THE CONTRIBUTIONS HE MADE TO THE NATIONAL ECONOMY WHILE ACTIVELY EMPLOYED, ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON THE DEGREE TO WHICH HE WAS CALLED UPON TO SUPPORT THE SYSTEM BY TAXATION. IT IS APPARENT THAT THE NONCONTRACTUAL INTEREST OF AN EMPLOYEE COVERED BY THE ACT CANNOT BE SOUNDLY ANALOGIZED TO THAT OF THE HOLDER OF AN ANNUITY, WHOSE RIGHT TO BENEFITS IS BOTTOMED ON HIS CONTRACTUAL PREMIUM PAYMENTS.

WE MUST CONCLUDE THAT A PERSON COVERED BY THE ACT HAS NOT SUCH A RIGHT IN BENEFIT PAYMENTS AS WOULD MAKE EVERY DEFEASANCE OF "ACCRUED" INTERESTS VIOLATIVE OF THE DUE PROCESS CLAUSE OF THE FIFTH AMENDMENT."

Bruno
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Bruno 02/19/13 - 02:35 pm
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It also should be pointed out

It also should be pointed out that Social Security was supposed to be in addition to your savings not your only source of income in your dotage.

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