Don't allow gays in Scouts

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As a former Scout member, I would like to somehow vote for Scouting to maintain its current membership policy, and not bow down to pressure from the gay community to allow open or avowed homosexuals, or anyone who engages in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the Boy Scouts of America.

The Scout Oath calls for members to do their duty “to God” and to stay “morally straight.” The Scout Law states that a Scout is “reverent.” The majority of Americans adhere to the beliefs of the Holy Bible, in which the God of this Bible speaks against the homosexual lifestyle. Therefore, if the BSA changes its membership policy to include the gay agenda, then it must change its Scout Oath and Scout Law. If not, confusion would rule the BSA world.

If you cannot stand for something, you will fall for anything. This is not about judging others, but it has everything to do with what has worked all these years. And it is about fighting for one’s beliefs.

One solution: Let the gay community form its own Scouting organization. Then they would be acting like the BSA, whose agenda does not include merit badges for trying to force its beliefs/lifestyles onto the gay community.

William Getha

Evans

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myfather15
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myfather15 02/11/13 - 06:56 pm
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Why God created liberals? (Spoof of Paul Harvey farmer add)

Please look at this, it is absolutely hilarious but ooooh so very true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUzMPlQb2G4

myfather15
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myfather15 02/11/13 - 06:59 pm
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Fear not my friends.......

Don't let the things going on around us get your spirits down. Be watchmen, as Christ told us to be; for if the watchmen had known what time the thief would come, he would have watched and not suffered his house to be broken in.

I'm not a fan of sitting on my behind and doing nothing. I voice my opinion everywhere and anywhere possible; we must keep doing so. We must keep fighting the good fight; all the way to the end. Listen my friends, we ARE going to lose more and more battles; but be not troubled about it. Just continue to be watchmen and KNOW what you are seeing unfold. This is the age of mankind being in charge of the world. God always lets them to make their own bed a lay in it.

He has paved the way for His children that love Him throughout the generations. He brought the tribes of Israel (US) here to this Country to be free to worship without persecution. He established us here for a reason. He is bringing his perfect plan to a brilliant finish, right here during your and my lifetime. But, there is a negative part that must be fulfilled as well. It's hard to stomach, but be strong, stay in His Word for HE is our strength. When others place their trust in MEN, we place our trust in God. We CAN NOT LOSE, remember that.

Remember, in the Civil War, the South won far more battles than the North, but what happened in the end? Remember, it doesn't matter how many battles they win, we have the victory in the END. During the days of the Revolutionary War, we didn't have satelittes to tell us where every single body of land is, in the whole world. Today, we do; we now know there is NO NEW LAND for freedom to flee to, as she has done throughout history. This IS the last stand for Freedom, throughout the entire world. We ARE living in the end days, if you learn the parable of the fig tree, you will be certain of this.

Israel becoming a Country again in 1948 marked the beginning of the final generation here on earth. Isreal had not been a Country since Biblical days and she was reborn in 1948, just as God said she would. Those born in 1948 are getting a lot of gray hairs on their head. So remember, this is Freedoms last stand, and no matter how many battles we lose, we still have a SAVIOR!!

myfather15
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myfather15 02/11/13 - 07:01 pm
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Our Savior is far more

Our Savior is far more capable of SAVING, than theirs. One day, they will be extremely sorry that they placed their trust in men. MEN have proven throughout history, they will let you down. God warned us of this throughout the Bible. Yet they won't listen. They've made their choices of their own free will, therefore they will be held completely accountable for their own FREE WILLED choices.

God has forewarned us of all these things that will happen. When you are forewarned, it shouldn't be quite as hard to stomach. He told us things are going to get very bad and a "Falling away" will happen. It has happened and continues to get worse. Dr. Ben Carson warned us during the National Prayer Breakfast that we need to get back to God and WE SHOULD. But will this Country do so? No, it won't; but be strong as an individual created by God. Help your neighbors and stand strong with them. Help them when they are in need. I've read the end of the BOOK; we have the victory. We have THE SAVIOR so be strong in that faith; but remember we still have lots of work to do here.

Bruno
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Bruno 02/11/13 - 07:06 pm
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Point being

That nowhere in the Bible is the "one man one woman" definition given. David was a polygamist. If that was so offensive to God he would not have favored him so. That being said it is only bigotry to not treat homosexuals as equals. You can wrap your bigotry in your bible but it is still bigotry. Jesus calls us to love.

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:17 pm
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Problem with your comment

Problem with your comment (6:01pm) burninater is that God did specifically stated that a man that lies with a man as with a woman is an abomination or in other words it is a sin (I know some will say abomination and sin are not the same...hogwash). Just as disobedience to God in the Old Testament was a sin, disobedience in the New Testament is still a sin. Before any further, yes there were laws given for righteousness and cleansing, but those were given to the people of Israel in order to maintain a relationship with Christ. We no longer need those laws because we have a personal relationship with Him through the blood of Jesus Christ. Sin is still sin, but the laws and rituals are not necessary. So go ahead and wear clothes of different fabric, go ahead and eat shellfish....

I fail to see where taking a stand for your moral beliefs and objecting to a homosexual male to be a leader of your son's BSA group is persecuting them or judging them. Yes we are all sinners but just because you and I are sinners doesn't mean I want my child expose to the sin.

That's not putting Words in God's mouth.....God plainly stated it in His Word and just because you do not understand the meaning of His Word, doesn't mean the sin doesn't exist. We may not be bound by the rituals for cleansing and righteousness under the mosaic laws but sin is still sin.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:28 pm
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Yes David was a polygamist

Yes David was a polygamist and God favored him. What you fail to understand Bruno is that Gods favor didn't depend on how good David was. God favored David because David was His child and truly loved God. He had a repentive heart and was a man of great faith.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:33 pm
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Well I see my TSD buddy is on

Well I see my TSD buddy is on line now and instead of discussing the subject like an adult, they wish to resort to child-like behavior.

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 07:33 pm
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"God did specifically state

"God did specifically state that a man that lies with a man as with a woman is an abomination or in other words it is a sin..."

ICL, you and I both know that considering things forbidden in Leviticus to be "sinful" by God is putting words in His mouth, unless you are prepared to declare tattoos, osprey-eating, cotton-blend clothing, syn-menstrual relations, etc etc etc. to be sinful.

You have specifically pointed out the differentiation of OT interdictions from NT conceptions of sinfulness so many times that I am exceptionally surprised you would try this tactic.

"Abominations" in Leviticus define ceremonially unclean behavior, not sin.

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 07:37 pm
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"We no longer need those laws

"We no longer need those laws because we have a personal relationship with Him through the blood of Jesus Christ. Sin is still sin, but the laws and rituals are not necessary. So go ahead and wear clothes of different fabric, go ahead and eat shellfish...."

... and go ahead and lay man with man. Finish the logical thought, ICL, rather than putting words in God's mouth by personally choosing which Levitican interdictions are now acceptable, and which are not.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:39 pm
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If something is a grave moral

If something is a grave moral offense, it is a sin. The Bible describes sin as the breaking, or transgression, of God's law. If God's law states a man lying with a man as he does a woman is an abomination, then it is a sin.

Keep deluding yourself. I know it makes you feel better.

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palmetto1008 02/11/13 - 07:41 pm
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It didn't make the top 10,
Unpublished

It didn't make the top 10, though.

allhans
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allhans 02/11/13 - 07:44 pm
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i.e...Noah and the Ark..Noah

i.e...Noah and the Ark..Noah was told by God to take a pair, a male and a female, not two males or two females of all species of life on board his ark. Why? Because they would need to procreate....
That is a fact of life...

palmetto1008
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palmetto1008 02/11/13 - 07:46 pm
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Now, I got it. Thanks,
Unpublished

Now, I got it. Thanks, Allhans.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:48 pm
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burninater, I neither have

burninater, I neither have the time or deem it necessary to go into a long explanation of the civil laws, the moral laws, and the Ten Commandments. It wouldn't do any good because any explanation would not change your mind. It is an old excuse used by many that because we dress in different clothing material, eat shellfish, and don't kill our children for disobeying, that somehow eliminates the sin of homosexual conduct. It's a sin like any other sin and just because you don't agree does not somehow transform it into being okay.

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carcraft 02/11/13 - 07:50 pm
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Burninater Being only 3 to 5%

Burninater Being only 3 to 5% of the population they make up 32% of sexual predators. 73% admit to having had sex with someone 16 to 19 years old • In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen to nineteen years of age or younger."[37].. A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, "all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories," which included males as young as age fifteen.[36]. hmmm doesn't speak to highly for being around children. What group is going to be more interested in being around children? So just select one part of the studies…Now if we could only identify the 27% who had not had sex with young boys...you might be on to something!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:51 pm
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So Palmetto, since it didn't

So Palmetto, since it didn't make it in the top 10, somehow that means it's okay. Poor logic.

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burninater 02/11/13 - 07:57 pm
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If God's law states a man

If God's law states a man lying with a man as he does a woman is an abomination, then it is a sin.

Keep deluding yourself. I know it makes you feel better.
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ICL, God's law also states the following to be abominations: The eating of osprey, Water hens, Shellfish, or Swarming animals. Three day leftovers. Graven images (crucifix, anyone?). Incense. Adultery. Diverse weights and measures. Two kinds of weights in the same bag.

I could go on and on.

I, you say, am delusional? I have not cherry-picked the single abomination that fits my predetermined view of the world while disregarding all of the rest as irrelevant. I have not personally redacted the Word of God to fit my personal bias.

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ymnbde 02/11/13 - 08:00 pm
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why don't we all just let the liberals raise our children ?

after all, most parents are just homophobic ignorant violent misogynistic (even the moms) chauvinistic racist (no matter the race) antisemitic gun toting neanderthals who want old people to die and children to be sick and go hungry and don't know a thing about raising children anyway and should be thankful the government lets their children spend the night in their own house. The people who write tv shows to guide our culture and the bureaucrats who write education guidelines to indoctrinate the young before their parents can do irreparable harm and those fluent in the language of political correctness are simply the better flesh. Thank goodness we have a group of people to control our irrational thoughts and actions. They are the master race, and hey! They even tolerate Jews!

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burninater 02/11/13 - 08:02 pm
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Being only 3 to 5% of the

Being only 3 to 5% of the population they make up 32% of sexual predators.
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Carcraft, your linked study in no way demonstrates that fact. The study was of a convicted population. The presumption that heterosexual pedophilia and homosexual pedophilia were equally identified and prosecuted -- particularly nearly 20 years ago -- is unsupported by the study. Considering the stronger stigma of homosexuality, I would wager that homosexual pedophiles are identified and convicted at a higher rate than heterosexual pedophiles.

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burninater 02/11/13 - 08:16 pm
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burninater, I neither have

burninater, I neither have the time or deem it necessary to go into a long explanation of the civil laws, the moral laws, and the Ten Commandments
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That is because you have zero legitimate scriptural basis to assert that God condemned homosexuality as being any more sinful than eating shellfish or wearing wool blend sweaters. You have decided, of your own volition, to establish a difference of degree between things described by God to equally be abominations.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 08:35 pm
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"I have not cherry-picked the

"I have not cherry-picked the single abomination that fits my predetermined view of the world while disregarding all of the rest as irrelevant. I have not personally redacted the Word of God to fit my personal bias."

Any neither have I. It's not my problem if you don't understand scripture and the signifcance of the Old Testament laws and the fulfillment of those laws through the New Covanent. It's not my problem if you do not understand the difference in ritual, ceremonial, or civil laws, why some guidelines for righteous living still apply and will always apply and why some guidelines are not applicable to today's living.

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carcraft 02/11/13 - 09:11 pm
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Burninater, So your

Burninater, So your supposition is now taken over the study? Find a study that supports your supposition or we will just take your word for it! Gotcha! Did you notice there is a study that indicates a high rate of female molestation by those that also molested boys! Of course if these studies don't support your position they must be wrong.

carcraft
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carcraft 02/11/13 - 09:18 pm
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In the book of Acts we are

In the book of Acts we are told to avoid sexual immorality . The first part of the book of Romans is condemning of homosexuality. David had multiple wives and the fruit was not good. Absolum tried to seize David's throne. One son,Amnon raped his 1/2 sister Tamar. After David dies there was a scramble for the throne! Perhaps this was a warning? David and Bathsheba's child was died because of their wickedness and David was not allowed to build God's Temple because of his violant nature. Sort of a mixed bag!By Jesus time it was one man and one women! That has been the Christian standard ever since!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 08:56 pm
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"That is because you have

"That is because you have zero legitimate scriptural basis "

Like I said, it's not my problem you do not understand scripture. Saying the Word does not speak on sexual immorality because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ANY sexual relationship outside the bonds of marriage is a SIN. Then you say, well let the homosexuals marry then it won't be a sin. Oh but it would because in His Word he explains his guidelines for marriage in Matthew.

Matthew 19: 4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

So if according to God's guidelines, He made male and female, the male should leave his parents, cleave to his WIFE (the female) and they shall be one flesh....no where did he say a man should cleave to his male partner or a female should cleave to her female partner.

1 Timothy 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;'

The phrase Paul uses “defiling themselves with mankind” is another link of homosexual behavior to disobedience and uncompatible to sound or acceptable Christian doctrine. You can argue that Paul said it not God but the Word of God is God's breath and the men who wrote the scriptures were inspired by God so it is as if God wrote the words Himself.

You can argue all you like, you can disbelieve all you want, but the Word of God is Truth, will remain the Truth, and no amount of disbelief will change what His Word says.

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faithson 02/11/13 - 09:15 pm
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yadda, yadda,yadda...

how well meaning people can take stories that were hundreds upon hundreds of years old before they were written down, are relative to our post-modern times and our advance we must make to keep up with the information age is illogical from a Vulcan's point of view. Wonderful history about the early human times in this literature, and as with the ten commandments, a wisdom that has served all peoples of our planet.

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carcraft 02/11/13 - 09:20 pm
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faithson- just as updated as

faithson- just as updated as it can be, something about history repeating it's self, David and Bathsheba are about as close as Bill and Monica's thong, maybe if old Bill had read his Bible a little bit better...LOL

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 09:20 pm
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burniater, Jude 1:7 speaks

burniater, Jude 1:7 speaks about going after strange flesh or "other flesh"; meaning not other women besides their own wives, but men and suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Titus 1:16 "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." The word here abominable is Βδελυκτοι. This word sometimes refers to unnatural lusts which is a sin.

So burninater you can continue to say God never said anything about homosexual behavior being a sin in the New Testament but I have just showed you over and over again scripture that speaks against sexually immoral behavior. What is wonderful to also understand is that even through homosexual behavior is a sin, it can be forgiven. Whether God takes those feelings for same sex individuals is up to the Almighty Himself, but I stand on His Word when He said if we ask with a pure heart in His name, He will answer our prayer.

We are all chasing rabbits here and need to get back to the original article concerning the BSA and whether they should or should not allow homosexual leaders to teach in the BSA.

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 09:24 pm
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ICL, the Matthew verse

ICL, the Matthew verse specifically describes why divorce of a heterosexual couple is sinful. Zero mention of homosexuality.

Whose word is that in Timothy, ICL? I'll give you a hint: not God's. Paul was neither the first, nor the last, human to hold the delusion that his words were God's Word.

It is exceptionally ironic that someone that disparages someone else's knowledge of Scripture is repeatedly unable to justify or defend their selective interpretation of the Word of God.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 09:25 pm
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"yadda, yadda,yadda... " Wow,

"yadda, yadda,yadda... "

Wow, such a mature response.

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 09:27 pm
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Neither Jude 1 nor Titus 1

Neither Jude 1 nor Titus 1 specifically identify homosexuality either. Again, you are putting your own meaning into Scripture and claiming it to be God's meaning.

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