Don't allow gays in Scouts

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As a former Scout member, I would like to somehow vote for Scouting to maintain its current membership policy, and not bow down to pressure from the gay community to allow open or avowed homosexuals, or anyone who engages in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the Boy Scouts of America.

The Scout Oath calls for members to do their duty “to God” and to stay “morally straight.” The Scout Law states that a Scout is “reverent.” The majority of Americans adhere to the beliefs of the Holy Bible, in which the God of this Bible speaks against the homosexual lifestyle. Therefore, if the BSA changes its membership policy to include the gay agenda, then it must change its Scout Oath and Scout Law. If not, confusion would rule the BSA world.

If you cannot stand for something, you will fall for anything. This is not about judging others, but it has everything to do with what has worked all these years. And it is about fighting for one’s beliefs.

One solution: Let the gay community form its own Scouting organization. Then they would be acting like the BSA, whose agenda does not include merit badges for trying to force its beliefs/lifestyles onto the gay community.

William Getha

Evans

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InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 04:56 pm
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(faithson) “40 to 50 years

(faithson) “40 to 50 years ago, they were EVERYWHERE around here, remnants being seen in the pews of the older christian white church's. I am speaking about those times on the issue of acceptance,”

Excuse me faithson, I must have not read your comment correctly. I thought you said...and I quote ““This resulting in what we see these days, where christian white folk who have NO experience with black people are in the forefront of the republican acrimony towards people of color.”

Emphases on the words “resulting in what we see these days” So now you are saying you were talking about 40 or 50 years ago, not what we see these days.

Is this what they mean by double talk?

faithson
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faithson 02/11/13 - 04:56 pm
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evolution vs revalation

True, evolutionary religion carries a whole lot of baggage and a whole lot of 'do nots' that appeal to the intellect. revalational religion, based upon traditional religion, allows for the experience of the believer to go beyond the 'do nots' to evolve a spiritual, not intellectual belief system that demands tolerance, forgiveness and patience in ones life. Again, nothing is going to change the mind of an evolutionist on church doctrine, until that person has the capacity to allow his personal experience to overcome the tradition. new wine in old wineskins seems the proper metaphor here.

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faithson 02/11/13 - 04:59 pm
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ICL

remnants, left over... kinda like that scar from some stupid thing done when we did not know any better.

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carcraft 02/11/13 - 05:05 pm
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I presented this earlier and

I presented this earlier and so far nobody has refuted the fact that pedophila is found at a higher rate in the homosexual community. Maybe some one would care to comment. Why do they need to be around children. I would submit that after the Spartans got through with a young fellow his sexual perferance ws changed.
• A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42 percent of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation.
Michele Elliott, “Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us,� Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581.
A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, "all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories," which included males as young as age fifteen.[36]
• In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen to nineteen years of age or younger."[37]
Conversely, Homosexual Pedophiles are Often Attracted to Adult Males
• A study of sex offenders against male children in Behavior Research and Therapy found that male homosexual pedophiles are sexually attracted to "males of all ages." Compared to non-offenders, the offenders showed "greater arousal" to slides of nude males as old as twenty-four: "As a group, the child molesters responsed [sp] with moderate sexual arousal . . . to the nude males of all ages."[38]

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Little Lamb 02/11/13 - 05:05 pm
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Law

Kind of sneaky how we went from Boy Scout policy to "equal treatment under the law." There is no legal right for a person to be a Boy Scout leader.

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burninater 02/11/13 - 05:06 pm
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Harley, after your 3:36 post,

Harley, after your 3:36 post, I am more than happy to share that "obfuscation" spotlight with you.

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burninater 02/11/13 - 05:09 pm
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Kind of sneaky how we went

Kind of sneaky how we went from Boy Scout policy to "equal treatment under the law." There is no legal right for a person to be a Boy Scout leader.
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And there is no legal pressure for the BSA to change their policy. It will be entirely a private decision by a private organization.

Kind of sneaky how it was implied that this decision was being forced upon them by "equal treatment under the law".

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Humble Angela 02/11/13 - 05:12 pm
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"In this case, however,
Unpublished

"In this case, however, national polling clearly has shown, repeatedly, that those who seek to deny homosexuals specific treatments under the law are, in fact, in the minority."

Yet when the people actually step in the polls and vote in it, the results are the opposite from your unstated poll.

All of this is actually beside the point. The point is that the BSA are free to accept anyone or reject anyone they want for any reason they want. Only those who are intolerant of their beliefs are insisting that the BSA change.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 05:24 pm
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faithson, I fail to

faithson, I fail to understand your ramblings about evolutionary religion and revalation religion. What does that have to do with this article discussion....if you wish to make an accusation, just spit it out and stop trying to be coy in making your point. Standing on the Word of God who plainly states (although some will argue the point) that God views homosexual behavior as a sin, has nothing to do with doctrine or traditions.

And for your comment at 3:59pm??? Are you trying to make a point about something?

faithson
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faithson 02/11/13 - 05:31 pm
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sorry if I am confusing you. Its all good. let those who can hear, hear and those who can't... so be it.

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 05:34 pm
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All of this is actually

All of this is actually beside the point. The point is that the BSA are free to accept anyone or reject anyone they want for any reason they want. Only those who are intolerant of their beliefs are insisting that the BSA change.
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Exactly. It will be interesting to see if money and public opinion trump personal moral belief in this American institution.

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RMSHEFF 02/11/13 - 05:34 pm
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InChristLove

You are correct, God's word is clear on this subject. This and all other sexual perversions are a result of the fall. There are some gray areas is Scripture but this is not one of them.

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carcraft 02/11/13 - 05:35 pm
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Those on the left never lose

Those on the left never lose and argument, they just change the subject. This went from homosexuals in the bosy scouts to race religion and equal rights...

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burninater 02/11/13 - 05:38 pm
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Well, the perversion of

Well, the perversion of original sin is the result of the fall. No grey area there, either.

Perhaps we should ban those bearing the perversion of original sin from the BSA. You know, taking the moral guidance of the Scriptures into consideration and all ...

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burninater 02/11/13 - 05:47 pm
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carcaft, it wasn't lefties

carcaft, it wasn't lefties above that brought in polygamy, the fall of man, etc...

Changing the subject is not a partisan behavior. We aren't as different as we're being groomed to think.

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Bruno 02/11/13 - 06:31 pm
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Wrong RMSHEFF. There is

Wrong RMSHEFF. There is nowhere in the Bible where it says "marriage is defined as one man and one woman." In fact, the Bible is rife with instances of multiple wives or wives and concubines. God even gave several men wives (notice the plural).

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 06:38 pm
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Carcraft: "A study of male

Carcraft:

"A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims."

So, men with an attraction to women constituted 86% of the pedophile population (100% - 14%). 28%/86% = 32%, which means that among the pedophile population, pedophiles attracted to women are OVER TWICE AS LIKELY to molest a young man than dedicatedly homosexual pedophiles.

Interesting.

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LillyfromtheMills 02/11/13 - 06:42 pm
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From Sean:

_____ is a slur. We don't allow it. Call them gays or homosexuals.

So my post is now:
Most have never even met a gay person - their father's - your friend shows some traits, why would you think their son or daughter didn't become full blown? I see atheists on here and can't believe they believe what they believe. Why don't ya'll find a solution to this problem? Cure em/kill them or accept them - I'm still wondering how much fire power I have - I know home land security has armed themselves to the gill. And the little gay person will be in the ditch beside me. I'M FINALLY PC!

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 06:46 pm
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burninater, since the

burninater, since the original sin was disobedience to God, then I'm afraid everyone would be banned from the BSA.

Bruno, afraid you need to brush up on your scriptural reading. The Bible may be rifeled with instances of multiple wives and concubines, but no where does it state God gave several men wives. God's silence on the matter of multiple wives does not mean that God approved or "gave them" to His Godly men.

Go ahead and try and use 2 Samuel 12, to state your case. The scripture says "the Lord, speaking through Nathan the prophet, says to King David, “I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added you many more things like these.”

At face value, this seems to suggest that God gave David multiple
wives, when in fact if you read the whole context of the scripture instead of just a verse here or a verse there to make your point, you would understand that God was saying to David, I gave you everything you wanted and that wasn't enough, you had to go and kill a man and steal his wife. God is not approving of multiple wives, he's chastizing David for his sin.

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 06:48 pm
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Just as God permitted divorce

Just as God permitted divorce because of the hardness of men’s hearts, so too He put up with polygamy because of humankind’s insolent stubbornness.

burninater
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burninater 02/11/13 - 07:01 pm
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burninater, since the

burninater, since the original sin was disobedience to God, then I'm afraid everyone would be banned from the BSA.
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Exactly. People pick and choose which sins to selectively persecute in others, when God made it crystal-clear that we are all sinners, and judgment is His province. Not yours or mine.

This assumes the argument that homosexuality is a sin -- which I probably do not need to remind you, was never explicitly stated by either God or Christ in scripture. Rather, like the interdiction against interracial marriage, it was "gleaned" by men. I don't know if I'll ever understand the level of hubris necessary to put man's words in God's mouth.

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myfather15 02/11/13 - 06:56 pm
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Why God created liberals? (Spoof of Paul Harvey farmer add)

Please look at this, it is absolutely hilarious but ooooh so very true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUzMPlQb2G4

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myfather15 02/11/13 - 06:59 pm
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Fear not my friends.......

Don't let the things going on around us get your spirits down. Be watchmen, as Christ told us to be; for if the watchmen had known what time the thief would come, he would have watched and not suffered his house to be broken in.

I'm not a fan of sitting on my behind and doing nothing. I voice my opinion everywhere and anywhere possible; we must keep doing so. We must keep fighting the good fight; all the way to the end. Listen my friends, we ARE going to lose more and more battles; but be not troubled about it. Just continue to be watchmen and KNOW what you are seeing unfold. This is the age of mankind being in charge of the world. God always lets them to make their own bed a lay in it.

He has paved the way for His children that love Him throughout the generations. He brought the tribes of Israel (US) here to this Country to be free to worship without persecution. He established us here for a reason. He is bringing his perfect plan to a brilliant finish, right here during your and my lifetime. But, there is a negative part that must be fulfilled as well. It's hard to stomach, but be strong, stay in His Word for HE is our strength. When others place their trust in MEN, we place our trust in God. We CAN NOT LOSE, remember that.

Remember, in the Civil War, the South won far more battles than the North, but what happened in the end? Remember, it doesn't matter how many battles they win, we have the victory in the END. During the days of the Revolutionary War, we didn't have satelittes to tell us where every single body of land is, in the whole world. Today, we do; we now know there is NO NEW LAND for freedom to flee to, as she has done throughout history. This IS the last stand for Freedom, throughout the entire world. We ARE living in the end days, if you learn the parable of the fig tree, you will be certain of this.

Israel becoming a Country again in 1948 marked the beginning of the final generation here on earth. Isreal had not been a Country since Biblical days and she was reborn in 1948, just as God said she would. Those born in 1948 are getting a lot of gray hairs on their head. So remember, this is Freedoms last stand, and no matter how many battles we lose, we still have a SAVIOR!!

myfather15
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myfather15 02/11/13 - 07:01 pm
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Our Savior is far more

Our Savior is far more capable of SAVING, than theirs. One day, they will be extremely sorry that they placed their trust in men. MEN have proven throughout history, they will let you down. God warned us of this throughout the Bible. Yet they won't listen. They've made their choices of their own free will, therefore they will be held completely accountable for their own FREE WILLED choices.

God has forewarned us of all these things that will happen. When you are forewarned, it shouldn't be quite as hard to stomach. He told us things are going to get very bad and a "Falling away" will happen. It has happened and continues to get worse. Dr. Ben Carson warned us during the National Prayer Breakfast that we need to get back to God and WE SHOULD. But will this Country do so? No, it won't; but be strong as an individual created by God. Help your neighbors and stand strong with them. Help them when they are in need. I've read the end of the BOOK; we have the victory. We have THE SAVIOR so be strong in that faith; but remember we still have lots of work to do here.

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Bruno 02/11/13 - 07:06 pm
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Point being

That nowhere in the Bible is the "one man one woman" definition given. David was a polygamist. If that was so offensive to God he would not have favored him so. That being said it is only bigotry to not treat homosexuals as equals. You can wrap your bigotry in your bible but it is still bigotry. Jesus calls us to love.

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:17 pm
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Problem with your comment

Problem with your comment (6:01pm) burninater is that God did specifically stated that a man that lies with a man as with a woman is an abomination or in other words it is a sin (I know some will say abomination and sin are not the same...hogwash). Just as disobedience to God in the Old Testament was a sin, disobedience in the New Testament is still a sin. Before any further, yes there were laws given for righteousness and cleansing, but those were given to the people of Israel in order to maintain a relationship with Christ. We no longer need those laws because we have a personal relationship with Him through the blood of Jesus Christ. Sin is still sin, but the laws and rituals are not necessary. So go ahead and wear clothes of different fabric, go ahead and eat shellfish....

I fail to see where taking a stand for your moral beliefs and objecting to a homosexual male to be a leader of your son's BSA group is persecuting them or judging them. Yes we are all sinners but just because you and I are sinners doesn't mean I want my child expose to the sin.

That's not putting Words in God's mouth.....God plainly stated it in His Word and just because you do not understand the meaning of His Word, doesn't mean the sin doesn't exist. We may not be bound by the rituals for cleansing and righteousness under the mosaic laws but sin is still sin.

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:28 pm
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Yes David was a polygamist

Yes David was a polygamist and God favored him. What you fail to understand Bruno is that Gods favor didn't depend on how good David was. God favored David because David was His child and truly loved God. He had a repentive heart and was a man of great faith.

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InChristLove 02/11/13 - 07:33 pm
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Well I see my TSD buddy is on

Well I see my TSD buddy is on line now and instead of discussing the subject like an adult, they wish to resort to child-like behavior.

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burninater 02/11/13 - 07:33 pm
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"God did specifically state

"God did specifically state that a man that lies with a man as with a woman is an abomination or in other words it is a sin..."

ICL, you and I both know that considering things forbidden in Leviticus to be "sinful" by God is putting words in His mouth, unless you are prepared to declare tattoos, osprey-eating, cotton-blend clothing, syn-menstrual relations, etc etc etc. to be sinful.

You have specifically pointed out the differentiation of OT interdictions from NT conceptions of sinfulness so many times that I am exceptionally surprised you would try this tactic.

"Abominations" in Leviticus define ceremonially unclean behavior, not sin.

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burninater 02/11/13 - 07:37 pm
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"We no longer need those laws

"We no longer need those laws because we have a personal relationship with Him through the blood of Jesus Christ. Sin is still sin, but the laws and rituals are not necessary. So go ahead and wear clothes of different fabric, go ahead and eat shellfish...."

... and go ahead and lay man with man. Finish the logical thought, ICL, rather than putting words in God's mouth by personally choosing which Levitican interdictions are now acceptable, and which are not.

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