Why does EBT fund junk?

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I am totally confused! The government is now regulating the type of food and fat content in schools. If the government is so concerned about obesity in young people, then why don’t they place restrictions on food bought and paid for by government EBT cards?

When I go grocery shopping, I see people in front of me in the checkout line with carts full of cookies, candy, chips and soft drinks, and they pull out their EBT cards to pay. All over supermarkets, you see junk food labeled “EBT-approved.” Why can’t EBT cards be restricted to nourishing staple foods such as chicken, beans, vegetables, milk, juice and healthy foods? If your family is hungry and you need to be fed by the taxpayers, then why do you spend the money allotted on junk food, expensive steaks and lobster that the average working taxpayer cannot afford?

Seems to me things are topsy-turvy with the EBT program. If EBT were used for cheaper staple foods, less money would go further. I don’t begrudge people in need being fed, but I do begrudge the total lack of common sense, and these people living high and eating junk on our dollar. If fast food is such a no-no, then why can it be purchased with an EBT card?

This nonsense makes me wonder if I’m the only sane person left, or maybe I’m the only insane one.

Linda Gregory

Martinez

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carcraft 02/07/13 - 06:14 pm
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Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/07/13 - 06:39 pm
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Obama has ordered drones that

Obama has ordered drones that have killed hundreds of children in pakistan and afghanistan (somehow I think those kids would have chosen waterboarding-it ain't that bad, he is now rationalizing assasinating american citizens without due process (no different than Bush with torture), and his main policy is to maintain the middle class and poor (with no hopes of ever moving up now and contributing to life long health issues. Seems his good friend and domestic Bill Ayers would be envious-so what do we call Obama now but a terrorist????

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specsta 02/07/13 - 07:02 pm
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Real Examples

@carcraft -

I would rather see a list of the examples where a laid-off worker is able to feed his family at night. Or a college student is able to concentrate on her studies instead of hunger pangs. Or a disabled person who is able to have one less worry thanks to food assistance. Those are the examples of what the program is about, not some random off-the-wall case where someone found an unscrupulous corner-store owner who let someone swipe their EBT/SNAP card in exchange for some jewelry. If that actually happened.

This is no different from the welfare farce where it was thought that many of those on TANF were drug users. Florida found out the hard way that this was just an outright lie, finding only a few out of thousands that actually failed drug tests - and it cost the state $45,780 extra.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare...

Why are some people so concerned that someone might be using cash assistance or food assistance funds for something else? These are the same folks who have no problem with the government funneling money to Wall Street corporations through generous subsidies and tax breaks - but when it comes to the poor, there's always a problem.

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GnipGnop 02/07/13 - 07:31 pm
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That's where you are wrong...

I have a problem with both. You are comparing apples to oranges. Not the first person here has said they oppose someone getting a hand up when they are down. The truth of the matter is that's not the case in most situations. Go to any public housinbg complex and you will see the truth. Men standing around drinking out of paper bags with beer in them. Women who let their baby daddy's come and go while they live off our tax dollars and the fathers offer no monetary support. The saddest thing of all is the people that live in the places that are good upstanding people that don't want to be there are brought into a crime infested area that they can do nothing about. That's the facts!

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Bizkit 02/07/13 - 07:31 pm
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Source: 10/15/12 data from US

Source: 10/15/12 data from US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce statistics: 4.3 million welfare, 46.7 million food stamps, Total Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than an $8 per hour job=40, Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than a $12 per hour job=7, Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than the average salary of a U.S. Teacher=9
Time on AFDC: Less than 7 months=19%,7to 12 months= 15.2%,
1 to 2 years=19.3%, 2 to 5 years=26.9%, over 5%=19.6.
Recipients by race=38.6=white, black=39.8, 15.7% hispanic, 2.4% asian. Welfare recipients cost (excluding food stamps, and unemployment) 131.9 billion. For the number on welfare it correlates with receiving 30,670 dollars that year. Now with food stamps and unemployment I bet the data would be more dramaic so I'll see if I can find it. I was surprised how few hispanics were on welfare quite revealing that this group is much less dependent than either whites or blacks as are asian.

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Bizkit 02/07/13 - 07:48 pm
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Various surveys since its

Various surveys since its enactment show that between 32 percent and 44 percent of TANF recipients of report having impairments or chronic health problems. The range is because different states define disabled differently. So in either cases significantly more people receive assistance who are not impaired. So logically it would be wiser to spend 30K on all the individuals not impaired to get off long term assistance (which the data indicates the majority are long term recipients)with education and job training. That way more money would open up for those who are really impaired and in need-they likely need much more in assistance than a healthy individal. It just doesn't seem fair the disabled are getting the shaft.

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Bizkit 02/07/13 - 07:51 pm
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A thumbs down for real data

A thumbs down for real data because your ideology is offended. That is really pathetic. The NY times is no more reliable than Fox news for data so we can ignore any of that as is Fox ignored. It is pathetic that a person would really hate disabled people and want to give them the shaft. Oh must be a welfare recipient upset their ruse is exposed.Makes perfect sense.

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KSL 02/07/13 - 08:51 pm
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I skipped a lot of posts

I just have to ask specsta if he/she has received or has relatives who have received.

I do not expect an answer nor is one required, never mind my tax paying money may have contributed.

But eventually others people's money run out What are you going to do then?

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Bizkit 02/07/13 - 09:42 pm
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40 states give 8 bucks an

40 states give 8 bucks an hour for welfare while federal minimum wage is 7.25 although 7 states are raising this year-but all are still less than 8 dollars an hour. So they actually have an incentive to stay on welfare which is also obvious by the 19.6% over 5 years and the 26.9% 2-5 years.

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Darby 02/07/13 - 09:51 pm
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"No one is spending "your money" "...........

Specsta - What planet do YOU live on. On earth, EBT is funded by taxes. If that's not OUR money, whose is it?

I'm guessing you don't pay taxes or you would know that. And where were you when it was established about two weeks ago that EBT was money was being used for booze and lap dances? Reasonable people would call that fraud.

Oh yeah, I forgot. I've never met a reasonable progressive/liberal.

Darby
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Darby 02/07/13 - 10:01 pm
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"Why are some people so concerned that someone.....

...might be using cash assistance or food assistance funds for something else?"

It's called demonstrating responsibility. A little of which can go a long way.

Without saying so, Specsta is touting what he views as the superiority of socialism. Socialists will never accept the historical fact that it has failed each and every time it has ever been tried, anywhere in the world.

But as long as other people's money continues to be available, they will continue to find ways to spend it, convinced that where others failed, they can make socialism work.

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carcraft 02/07/13 - 10:06 pm
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EBT fraud amounts to about

EBT fraud amounts to about $400 million year. The number of people on food stamps keeps growing as does the fraud. If you followed the articles Patrick Devual voted limiting some forms of EBT fraud! When I was in college we could not get government assistance, I and most of my friends worked around our school hours! I put in 40 to 50 hours a week carrying a full load. Busted my butt in the summer surveying logging roads. Having enough sleep was more of a problem than food.

Darby
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Darby 02/07/13 - 10:09 pm
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"I would rather see a list of the examples where a.....

....laid-off worker is able to feed his family at night. Or a college student is able to concentrate on her studies instead of hunger pangs."

There's a little thing called workers comp for that laid off worker. As for the college student, I couldn't go to college when I left high school. Just couldn't afford it. So I went to work, saved my money, took night college courses and finally took a leave of absence to get my degree. Maybe Specsta's imaginary student could try that route and not burden the taxpayers.

Depending on ourselves and our families, makes us stronger. Depending on government makes us weaker and perpetually dependent.

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Cirroc2012 02/07/13 - 11:03 pm
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EBT Fraud

Recipient's purchasing junk food should be one of our least concerns, have you ever wondered how many of these folks sell their cards to others to get cash. Our government apparently has no mechanism in place to prevent this type of fraud. Just imagine being able to give someone $200 for their $600 EBT card. I'm no hater but I know of some sick and retired people who could use this type of of be benefits, have applied and qualified for less than $100.00. "This has nothing to do with president Obama, but the ignorance of all official we have put in office to fight these issues for years"

Darby
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Darby 02/08/13 - 12:31 am
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"This has nothing to do with president Obama,....

....but the ignorance of all official we have put in office to fight these issues for years"

I'd rephrase that to say that Obama isn't alone to blame. On the other hand, he seems perfectly happy with the status quo.

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GaStang22 02/08/13 - 01:38 am
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Specsta, with all due respect, you're wrong.
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The few and far between are the truly needy ones, not the scammers. Most people on assistance are scammers. Why else do you have several more children when you have been dependant your whole life? These scammers who do nothing but make more dependants use up all the funds for certain programs and those who normally are self supportive but have legitimately fallen on hard times are left hungry, in pain and out in the cold. Literally! And sorry to inform you, but the Florida drug testing did not prove a lie. It proved to those of us who really know how the game is played from decades of experience and interaction with thousands and thousands of these abusers, that the TESTING was just a front to continue to "feed" the lazy and dependant for political reasons. Those drug tests that can be prepared for and easy to pass are too well known to users. That pee test is a joke. It may catch a pot smoker here or there because it stays in your system so long, but an experienced user knows how to get around that also/ That cheap little test they did was a joke. Just like "housing inspections" are for those on housing assistance. Giving someone a months notice you are coming will never catch them doing all the illegal things that would ban them from housing and any assistance for life. Same with the drug test. Yeah, you dont think they will stay off that meth, coke, w/e a few days to pass a little joke test that will get them free money for the year, especially when they have advance notice of the test?? When they show up at the doors of these lifers unexpectedly for the inspections and drug testing and you bust no one....then you have an argument. Until then it holds no water. Its like saying all the inmates at the jail who were convicted of theft were obviously convicted wrongly because you announced in the visitors area you were running a test to see who would steal and who will be freed and when you left $300 in cash on a table and left the room, it was still there when you came back. We both know it wouldn't last 30 seconds if it wasn't a test but left by a visitor who dropped their wallet. When there's something in it for them, they will play the honest innocent game. No difference.

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myfather15 02/08/13 - 04:36 pm
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Wheter the EBT card is being

Wheter the EBT card is being used to buy alcohol, or food doesn't matter. It the person using the EBT card to buy food, uses their OWN money to purchase alcohol, the person doesn't deserve assistance, period. I couldn't care less about specsta's fake compassion, attempting to make us believe that MOST people on EBT are needy persons who've lost a loved one or a job. Most people on EBT are abusing the system. I've seen it with my own two eyes, too many times to be confused by specsta. Thanks for trying though.

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greggarn 02/09/13 - 11:17 am
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I agree I agree

However Ms Gregory...I am in the grocery store ( Publix ) several times a week and I see people shopping and buying junk too. But what I am wondering is how do you know that they are paying with EBT. Are you that nozey that you can read the type card they are using. Second I am wondering why someone hasn't told you to step back and give me a little privacy as they make their purchase.
Does the card have a huge stamp that says EBT printed on the front of it... I am not sure, I have never seen one nor am I in someone's business to find out.

So how do you tell they are paying with EBT... I cant wait to find out ?

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greggarn 02/09/13 - 11:20 am
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BIZKIT reply

To be on Welfare you have to be in the system... not sure they ( Hispanics) want they much attention brought to them...

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mike1sc 02/09/13 - 12:44 pm
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Standing at the Wal Mart Checkout Line

Waiting on my wife and while waiting for her I watched 14 people get checked out in the checkout lane and 13 of the 14 were using EBT cards. What?

I later told my wife I came to the conclusion we were the only one in that Wal mart that night who was spending their own money, and all those people I watched using the EBT cards were using my money too!

This system is completely broken and abused on a daily basis. It is such a politically hot potato, you can't find a government official who wants to touch it.

Sad sad sad.......

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greggarn 02/09/13 - 02:11 pm
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Mike1SC

What does an EBT Card look like... All I see is debt/credit cards being used when I am in the line, how do you know it was an EBT Card

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Darby 02/09/13 - 06:31 pm
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"So how do you tell they are paying with EBT...

... I cant wait to find out ?"

NOW, who's being nosey?

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carcraft 02/10/13 - 10:12 am
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Darby, actually it is easy to

Darby, actually it is easy to tell if someone is using an EBT card dempending on what they buy. Food items are seperated, depending on what is being purchased, into items ( in legitamite grocery stores)that can be purchased with EBT cards and items that can't. Then you stand in line while they go through check out twice. It took me a hile to catch on, I thought maybe they were buying for some one else.

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Darby 02/10/13 - 01:15 pm
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Well, Carcraft, thanks for the lesson....

I had noticed that, but didn't really put it together....

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Humble Angela 02/11/13 - 09:19 am
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Specta says "I would rather
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Specta says "I would rather see a list of the examples where a laid-off worker is able to feed his family at night. Or a college student is able to.............."

I'm quite sure you would "rather see" that, but Carcraft posted actual examples of facts, which to a liberal seems to be like kryptonite.

And you say that it is not "my money." Then, pray tell....where exactly does the money come from if not from me?

Darby
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Darby 02/11/13 - 03:50 pm
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Funny how suggesting that people become self-reliant.....

brings the libs/progs out of the shadows so quickly...

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