Tax system needs overhaul

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I am very sad that U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss has decided not to run again. I respect his explanation and understand his frustration in attempting to accomplish anything in a dysfunctional environment – i.e., Washington, D.C. I thank him for his service and for
reintroducing the Fair Tax for this new Congress.

Tax revision is sorely needed, and he explained that very well in his Fair Tax reintroduction.

Please see the Jan. 27 Opinion section of The Augusta Chronicle, and the editorial titled “The fix is in.” It gave five things we must do to fix Washington. Unfortunately, they left out No. 6:

6. Tax revision. Scrap our bloated, broken and costly income tax system of obtaining revenue. Replace it with an efficient and fair tax on all new goods and services purchased by citizens above the poverty level and by businesses.

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shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 02/04/13 - 11:54 pm
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Good Letterr

I agree Mr. Titus!

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Jon Lester 02/05/13 - 02:42 am
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You'll have a full cast of characters in the primary season

next year. Plenty of opportunity to force the tax reform issue.

Techfan
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Techfan 02/05/13 - 07:46 am
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If you're very poor or very

If you're very poor or very rich, the unFair Tax plan is for you. You make out like bandits. The middle class and working class Americans are the ones who get hosed. There's nothing quite like an instant 30% increase in everything you buy. Food, clothes, medicine, doctors visits, hospitalization, autos, auto repairs, gasoline, rent, power bills, even the interest portion of your mortgage, a nice 30% increase. Of course you get a whopping $2,569 back to offset that 30% hike in all of your spending. Whoopee!!!!

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carcraft 02/05/13 - 09:18 am
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Taxes aren't to raise revenue

Taxes aren't to raise revenue silly, it is about fairness! Even our exalted ruler King Obama says so!! Hail comrade Obama!!! So get with the program now! It is only fairy that 10% of the population pay 80% percent of the income tax while 50% pay nothing! Hail comrade Obama and peace upon him! Some that aren't paying even get earned income tax credits! Hail comrade Obama the generous (with other peoples money)! It is fair in the eyes of the most merciful Obama!

chascushman
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chascushman 02/05/13 - 08:52 am
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Techfan, it is pretty obvious
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Techfan, it is pretty obvious you know very little about the Fair Tax.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 02/05/13 - 10:34 am
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It would be good for the

It would be good for the country for EVERYONE to have to pay some amount of federal taxes. Good for the country, good for politics, good for the psychological welfare of all citizens. Nothing makes you pay more attention to what's going on than when somebody is taking YOUR money out of YOUR pocket. Get involved.....pay federal taxes.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 02/05/13 - 10:50 am
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Techfan...... I'll accept a
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Techfan...... I'll accept a 30% increase in everything I buy because my pay goes up even more. With the Obama, tax the rich plan, everything I buy has gone up in price, but my pay has gone down. Explain how that is better.

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deestafford 02/05/13 - 10:54 am
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Three points:

First, Chambliss is late to the party. Why has he not be pushing it all along?
Second, I love the Fair Tax but have my doubts of Congress ever passing it because the tax code is one of its most powerful tools and it weilds it lovingly for its cofers. I'm skeptical of them willingly giving up power.
Third, the ignorance of the techfan continues to raise to the top. There is no increase in the costs of goods and services at the retail level because the 25% of the currently embedded tax will go away and be replaced by a 23% fair tax. Everyone gets check that covers the tax on the basics. It will be based on family size and it applies to everyone equally no matter the income. One strenght of the Fair Tax is it will be very easy to see when Congress tries to increase the rate because it will the only tax they can have and won't be buried in the tens of thousands pages as it is today. The bottomline is people will be taxed on what they consume rather than what they earn...this includes visitors from other countries and the underground world of illegal activity which abounds today...the pimp who buys a new pimpmobile will now be taxed by the federal government contrary to what he does today with his "shadow income".

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soapy_725 02/05/13 - 11:36 am
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Tech Fan has his slant....
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but anyone who believes that TAXES will go away has been living on another planet. The tax to support the Spanish American War is still in tact. The luxury tax on phone service finally died, but was quickly replaced by the taxes to provide everyone with a free phone. There will never be a FAIR tax because taxation is not FAIR. The problem with any human plan that uses the word FAIR is just that. FAIR is subjective. We each have a definition of FAIR. EQUAL taxation for all, now that would be different.

So these aliens from another planet wexpect the government in Wshington DC to do anything that resembles FAIR. Do you mean FAIR as in "just", "equal distributed"?

Lets see. Income Tax that was once paid at the end of the year. Then we had that WWII thing and we need that tax money from each paycheck, not at the end of the year. Just for the war time now.

Lets see. Those taxpayers who were told to move their retirement to a Roth and save money by paying taxes as opposed to deferring tax payment until retirement. Bortz did not see this as an issue. But the people who bought into this scam would have to pay double taxes on their retirement funds. Taxed as they contributed. Taxed again as they "consumed food, shelter, clothing, medical care, et al". Bortz, "that just a small percent affected". But to those affected is this FAIR? Hell No.

The fairy tale that state governments, whole sale and retail merchants will suddenly reduce their prices fits in the world of Peter Pan.

FAIR TAX would be a percentage leveled and collected from each of the 307 million citizens without one single exemption of annual income from all sources foreign or domestic.

FAIR TAX would take into account that those below the poverty line and even the homeless use roads, bridges, public buildings, infrastructure, military protection, police, fire, etc.

Everyone living in the USA is a beneficiary of the whole and should be a paying partner. FAIR is FAIR.

Follow the money. These books made millions like the Atkins Diet. Best sellers. Mein Kampf was a best seller. Our POTUS has a book about his struggles. How convenient. LOL LOL

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nofanofobama 02/05/13 - 12:35 pm
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i favour a new tax

i favour a new tax system..sorta like the fair tax except the part where people get re-embursement checks for food or anything else..i DO NOT want the govt issueing checks out..it just the wrong image...if food is a problem exempt it for EVERYONE. we need a tax system where everyone pulls the wagon..not like the one today where 47 percent dont pay any federal income tax at all.

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Darby 02/05/13 - 01:43 pm
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"There's nothing quite like an instant 30% increase

in everything you buy."

I don't believe for a minute that techfan believes that horse-hockey. The Fair Tax provides for A ZERO PERCENT TAX INCREASE. That is because the Fair Tax does NOT KICK IN UNTIL THE INCOME TAX IS REPEALED. Also, it was NEVER even suggested that the Fair Tax be 30%. Most plans have it start at about 23%.

People below a certain income level would get a rebate check each month, whether or not they spend that much. Most Democrats could get used to that in a hurry.

Techfan is doing what Democrats do every time someone attempts to come up with a solution to our blatantly UNFAIR system. They demagogue it with distortions and falsehoods.

The beauty of the Fair Tax is that it would take away the power a handful of government bureaucrats have to punish and reward for political gain. Additionally, it would collect taxes from millions of people who don't pay now. People in the "shadow economy" like mobsters, prostitutes, and other who only deal in cash transactions. That alone would translate to billions of new revenue!

Yes, major tax preparations services would take a hit, along with downright elimination or drastic reduction of the IRS. I could live with that. No more forms 1040 to contend with. Just pay when you purchase, end of story.

And the elimination of one of the most powerful weapons politicians have to use against the American people.

Darby
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Darby 02/05/13 - 01:49 pm
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"Why has he not be pushing it all along?"

Deestafford - That was my first (knee-jerk) response. What the heck, if Chambliss was serious, he could have made a major push while serving as a sitting senator. Who is going to take him seriously now? Too little, too late.

Needed to show some of that "courage" a lot earlier.

Darby
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Darby 02/05/13 - 02:01 pm
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"The bottomline is people will be taxed on what they consume"

Good point, and obviously techfan hasn't given much thought to just who it is that buys the $100 dollar bottles of champaign, the yachts, the Lear jets, the designer gowns, the summer homes in Maine and the winter homes in Florida, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

It certainly isn't me, and I seriously doubt it's techfan either.

Techfan
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Techfan 02/05/13 - 02:31 pm
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It seems like many proponents

It seems like many proponents of the unFair Tax know little to nothing about it. The basics: It's a plan to replace income and payroll taxes with a national sales tax on all new goods and services. The bill would have to be passed AND the 16h Amendment would have to be repealed or you could get stuck with both. What is taxed? All new goods and all services. Ex. A new car would be subject to the tax while a used one would not. That means a $30,000 new car is now a $39,000 car. The housing, automotive, and other industries with big ticket items would be devastated until existing inventory of those items is used up or becomes too costly to repair. The tax also applies to all services, which most people aren't used to. Haircuts, a travel agent booking your next vacation, a visit to the doctor or hospital, commission paid to a real estate agent, a title search and other lawyer fees, and even the interest portion of your mortgage are all services that would be taxed. You do get $2,569 a year as a prebate, but that could easily be eaten on the tax for rent. It's supposedly revenue neutral, so if there's a war or major natural disaster the rate will have to go above the 30 percent. Prices won't magically drop, you won't keep 100 percent of your paycheck ( even Boortz had to back track on that one). It's a plan to shift the tax burden to the middle class. They have the tiny prebate so they can claim they look after the poor and elderly, otherwise it's just a scheme to let the super wealthy grow their millions and billions tax free.

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Humble Angela 02/05/13 - 02:43 pm
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Thanks again, techfan for
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Thanks again, techfan for presenting this in a way that makes it seem that taxes go up some amount other than your increase in take home pay. As a matter of fact, you mentioned that there would be no tax on a used car.....a significant shift of burdon to the wealthy, who rarely buy used cars..........and who already pay more taxes than the middle class.......but it was never really about being fair, was it?

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allhans 02/06/13 - 02:37 pm
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Funny..I have always thought

Funny..I have always thought that the wealthy bought more and paid more for what they bought than the lower classes. I learn something new every day -like - The rich don't spend money...

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GeeDeeS 02/05/13 - 03:36 pm
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Trying to keep up . . .

So, please excuse me for being so daft on all this stuff. If I make $30k and buy $15K worth of stuff and pay 10% sales tax on it, that would mean I would have spent about 55% of my income on all the stuff. If I make $300K a year and buy $15K worth of stuff I will only be on the hook for 5.5% of of my income? I think I may want to be a rich person.

Darby
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Darby 02/05/13 - 03:46 pm
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Still beating that same dead horse, techfan.....

absolutely nothing new in your post....

I'm guessing you think the tax structure we have now, with it's thousands of pages and thousands of loopholes is just great. Now the rich get away with virtual murder.

Each time our illustrious legislators rewrite the tax code to close a loophole, they inadvertently open two new ones. That's because they have no idea of what they are doing.

Admit it, techfan, you want to keep the old system because it can be used to buy votes for the party willing to abuse the code to reward and punish. And in today's world, that could only be the Democrats.

Alexis de Tocqueville warned us this was going to happen. Now we are living his nightmare.

With the Fair Tax, it's impossible to game the system, whether you are a rich businessman or a rich and powerful politician. That's why so called "progressive" politicians are going to continue to lie about it. For the same reason, you won't see the rich supporting it either.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 02/05/13 - 04:11 pm
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GeeDees. What on earth makes
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GeeDees. What on earth makes you think that someone making 10 times as much money will spend the exact same as the guy making 10 times less? That's nonsense. And if you think you want to be a rich person, then why don't you do the work necessary to become a rich person?

Darby
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Darby 02/05/13 - 04:55 pm
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"If I make $300K a year and buy $15K.....

worth of stuff I will only be on the hook for 5.5% of of my income?"

Wow! What are you doing with the rest of your ill gotten gains... burying it in Mason jars in your back yard?

I used the term "ill gotten" because if you are rich, you obviously stole the money from the poor. You certainly couldn't have earned it through hard work, planning and investment could you?

And who knew the poor were such a lucrative source to steal from?

KSL
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KSL 02/05/13 - 11:29 pm
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And now for the good news, NOT

From the most prevericating pres we have ever had

http://godfatherpolitics.com/9320/obama-im-not-done-raising-taxes/

Middle class income earners, get ready to bend over.

Techfan
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Techfan 02/06/13 - 05:26 am
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Gosh, you wouldn't think a

Gosh, you wouldn't think a "christian" group would have to hide behind proxy domains and wouldn't be in the business of printing lies and hate. These folks make an exception
http://whois.domaintools.com/godfatherpolitics.com

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 02/06/13 - 08:46 am
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Keep attacking the source,
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Keep attacking the source, and not a single thing that is in the writing......as usual.

KSL
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KSL 02/06/13 - 09:06 am
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Fan, but not a grad

I eagerly await your presentation of proof of lies and hate.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 02/06/13 - 09:31 am
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KSL....I wouldn't hold your
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KSL....I wouldn't hold your breath too long waiting.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 02/06/13 - 01:38 pm
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Funny.....KSL got a thumbs
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Funny.....KSL got a thumbs down for simply asking someone to prove an allegation. Liberals hate it when you ask them to do that.

Darby
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Darby 02/06/13 - 01:59 pm
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Libs and progs never need proof....

...they've got their hate to keep them going...

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