Marriage must be for all

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On behalf of the Board of Directors of Augusta Pride, I wanted to commend The Augusta Chronicle and especially Staff Writer Steve Crawford for a beautifully written commemorative piece on the tragic death of Aiken Public Safety Officer Master Cpl. Sandy Rogers and the ongoing struggles of her unofficial spouse, Officer Frances Williams.

While their relationship was never recognized in law, and possibly not by some members of their family and community, they were very much a couple, though maybe not one as common as those they served to protect on a daily basis.

While Frances and Sandy chose to live a quiet, unassuming life – be it out of either fear of, or respect for, their community – it is nice to see this community coming together to acknowledge that many people make sacrifices to protect the safety of our families and friends, be they straight or gay, and they deserve our respect. The individual religious choices each of us makes for ourselves should not influence how we treat one another in the public square, where people of many faiths and beliefs come together.

Relationships such as theirs deserve to be protected because they make our community stronger, not weaker. Frances and Sandy would not have weakened the institution of marriage, and they would not have destroyed it – but instead they serve as an example of why marriage is still an important institution for our society.

While we agree with local radio show host Austin Rhodes that “gay folks need the same protection under law that married people have,” we disagree that this legal protection can truly come in a separate but equal institution called legal domestic partnerships. There is nothing religious about the word “marriage” when a straight couple marries at City Hall, two atheists marry at a seaside resort or a convicted felon marries his prison pen pal.

Instead, in Georgia and South Carolina it means they are straight. Marriage is an institution of commitment, born in love and recognized by society. We don’t need two institutions – straight marriage and gay domestic partnerships – to recognize our families. Officer Williams lost her wife; she did not lose a housemate.

(The writer is public relations director for Augusta Pride.)

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GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 01/30/13 - 01:17 pm
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An "alternate" perspective on

An "alternate" perspective on mental health by a PhD? Nice try. I can provide a link to the flat earth society's web page. Still looking for that credibility, a no fooling CSRA shrink (MD) to weigh in.

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 01/30/13 - 01:19 pm
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I'm 58

I'm 58

harley_52
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harley_52 01/30/13 - 01:22 pm
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"Actually, your age gives you less credibility."

I see.

At birth, one possesses the lifetime maximum credibility and it decreases with age.

Got it.

Another example of "progressive" philosophy.

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Bizkit 01/30/13 - 01:29 pm
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Evolutionarily gay unions

Evolutionarily gay unions have zero "fitness" because they don't reproduce and offer their genetic component to the gene pool (now gays do reproduce with women but gay unions have zero fitness). Biologically gay unions are a dead end, although no doubt many will choose to have sex with a women and have offspring (gays do reproduce with women-how can that be by your argument??) . But evolutonary biologist do have a number of hypotheses why there is homosexuality-some of which would likely offend many people.

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harley_52 01/30/13 - 01:32 pm
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The Preposterous Notion...

...that younger people possess more wisdom than older people is worth considering.

Where does that notion come from? It is totally and completely opposite of what other societies believe and it makes zero sense. But, it seems to be fairly common among young adults in American society.

My take? It's a symptom of several decades of ultra-liberalism infecting the American public schools and colleges and universities. It is the left-wing agenda coming home to roost. It's no different than the "discussions" you see on here about "greed," the evils of Capitalism, and the acceptability of abortion as a form of birth control. It's where the notion that society owes everybody a middle class lifestyle comes from.

It nothing less than a symptom of societal decay brought about by the left-wing agenda that now attempts to push America into self-destruction.

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GiantsAllDay 01/30/13 - 01:34 pm
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Time to move on, it's been

Time to move on, it's been fun commenting Mr Bannochie, I wish you the best. Harley's generation won't be around much longer and that's when the real changes will take place. As with most other issues, it's going to have to be up to the kids. It will be interesting to watch the SCOTUS this summer. But unfortunately you're in one of the last groups who have to wait. The negroes had to wait a long time. Even MLK, Jr never got to see all of his dream fulfilled. I hope you're young enough where you'll be able to see it.

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OJP 01/30/13 - 01:35 pm
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@Bizkit

(1) If you're discussing a certain field, it's best to use the terminology adopted and used by the professionals in that field. And you certainly can't be surprised if you get push back for incorrectly using terms (or expect others to figure out what you really meant by your incorrect usage by other comments you have made).

(2) Which argument did I make about choice that was illogical? The only one I've made is that it should be quite easy to prove (by an opponent of marriage equality engaging in and enjoying gay sex, and falling in romantic love with a member of the same sex).

(3) I can't speak to the specifics of Anne Heche. But bisexuality is a thing: the sex of her partner may be a choice, but her sexual/romantic attraction to both sexes is not.

I don't think homosexuality has a simple biological answer. But I don't know a single straight or gay person who claims they can change their sexuality. You're straight, right? Prove me spectacularly wrong by going gay.

OJP
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OJP 01/30/13 - 01:44 pm
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@harley_52

No, but prejudice clearly decreases with each successive generation. You and those like you will just be the marriage equality equivalents of the opponents of Civil Rights from the 20th century.

Just Google the stats. The under 30 crowd is looking at you in horror and disbelief. I'm not particularly concerned if you agree because it seems pretty self-evident.

Edit: I suggest you get used to your position being dismissed instead of addressed and argued. After all, who would engage someone arguing against Civil Rights in 2013?

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Boudreaux 01/30/13 - 01:47 pm
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I don't care about their

I don't care about their unions or what you call them but I draw the line at raising kids. It takes a man and women to properly instill core values in a child and a same sex couple can't do that, or single parents for that matter. Do what you want with other consenting adults but please leave children out of it, they deserve better. I can only imagine the hell a kid gets in school with gay parents. It'd be practically impossible for the child to develop normally.

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Bizkit 01/30/13 - 01:48 pm
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I wasn't addressing a field-I

I wasn't addressing a field-I was just stating my opinion using popular terms. My audience isn't psychologist. If you want to debate this with peer-reviewed journals and go with science then I'm game. Sexuality develops, many experiment with homosexuality and never become homosexual. You stated we don't choose our sexuality which is correct-we develop it. But we do have cognitive choice to act on our complusions. What makes the difference in sexual orientation or preference in classifying one as non-perversion or perversion? Homosexual non-perversion, Pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia are perversions. All likely are biological, because we are biological creatures. YOu don't think a person chooses to have sex with kids, animals, or dead people. right? So they have done nothing wrong just acted on their biological compulsions and NO crime has been committed. Alcoholics have a definite biological tendency but obviously they have no "choice" in the matter and are doomed to die of cirrhosis. There are no alcoholics who don't drink-that would be impossible by your argumetn.

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nofanofobama 01/30/13 - 01:49 pm
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i'm 58 and i see posts

i'm 58 and i see posts dreaming of the demise of us who hold to traditional value...to all those kids that seem to think there so hip, cool and smart let me remind that there is nothing new under the sun...and if you keep disrespecting the wisdom of older folks and live out your foolishness ..well lets just say i'll be dancing on your grave not vice-versa..

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harley_52 01/30/13 - 01:50 pm
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"Harley's generation won't be around much longer....

....and that's when the real changes will take place. As with most other issues, it's going to have to be up to the kids."

That's the way life works. Each generation passes on and the next is responsible to leave society in a better place for generations to come.

I'm sad to say that my generation has, by and large, not done well, at least if the comments I read on here can be projected onto the rest of American society. I'm comforted by what I see in most of the younger people with whom I personally come in contact. I have two adult children, I know many of their friends, I've met hundreds of younger people in my daily life and around the Country. Yes, we have very big problems in contemporary society. Many more, in fact, than were present when I was a youngster. I attribute ALL of America's decay and fall from greatness to one word.....Liberalism.

Will the next generation turn it around? I really don't know. For the sake of my children and my grandchildren..... I can only hope, pray, and do my small part to help them get started.

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OJP 01/30/13 - 01:53 pm
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@Bizkit

Homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia.

Which one of these does not belong and why? Homosexuality; it is the only one that is not illegal.

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harley_52 01/30/13 - 01:55 pm
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" I suggest you get used to your position....

.....being dismissed instead of addressed and argued."

An excellent suggestion, but one that I figured out all alone a long time ago. These days I'm surprised if anyone arguing your side lasts more than a few posts before they slink off with their tail between their legs after being forced to face reason and common sense which overwhelms their illogical agenda.

OJP
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OJP 01/30/13 - 01:56 pm
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@Boudreaux

Then you oppose single parent adoption? And removing children from a household when one of the spouses is no longer present (by death, infidelity, etc.)?

And the only reason a gay household would have any difficulty being accepted is because people refuse to accept them.

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LillyfromtheMills 01/30/13 - 02:08 pm
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Give em Hell

Harley

Darby
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Darby 01/30/13 - 02:14 pm
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"Marriage is an institution of commitment, born.....

....in love and recognized by society."

Not exactly. Marriage is an institution of commitment, created by the church to encourage family unity and stability. It worked well for centuries until government came along, "legalized" and corrupted the institution. To call a legal union between two people of the same gender a marriage, is to abrogate the original intent of the concept.

The only workable solution in today's world would be to recognize a union between a man and a woman as a traditional marriage and call it that.

At the same time, accepting that God has given us all free will, provide same sex couples the same legal rights (hospital visitation, tax breaks etc., ) as married couples.

As alien as a homosexual relationship appears to me, I've got too much on my plate to get involved in the morality of the lifestyle. Granted, anything the government gets involved in, it usually makes worse but I'm thinking it's worth a try. The problem is certainly NOT going to go away on it own. Although it would be nice if it would.

But call such a union marriage? I hope not!

I guess, to some extent, I'm agreeing with Austin Rhodes. Did I just say that?

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carcraft 01/30/13 - 02:15 pm
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going where angels fear to tread

Just because we have never had homosexual "marriage” on a large scale before in the histroy of man let's just rush into it! What would go wrong? I am asking all proponents of gay marriage to please tell me how you avoid the law of unintended consequences’ regarding gay marriage? How do you draw the line in the sand preventing polyandre, Polygamy etc.? No answer from anybody yet. But I will wait, and wait, and wait.. while these people think that they are so wise and the rest of mankind has been so foolish!

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harley_52 01/30/13 - 02:18 pm
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"Homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia.....

....Which one of these does not belong and why? Homosexuality; it is the only one that is not illegal."

Hmmmm. The way you chose to group the set of pastimes is intersting.

And you're talking about here in America, right? In other contemporary societies one, or more, of them (including homosexuality) are capital offenses.

It just so happens that now, at this instant in time, the minority has been successful at influencing the legislative and judicial process such that homosexuality is legally acceptable....like abortion. Like burning the American flag.

Does that prove anything about its value to society? Should that make a parent encourage similar behavior in their children?

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Boudreaux 01/30/13 - 02:19 pm
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@OJP

Of course not, I'm talking about having kids. Kids up for adoption need all the help they can get, the parents have already failed.

As far as being accepted, if you live on the fringe of normal society you've got to expect to be treated differently. It's always been that way and always will.

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carcraft 01/30/13 - 02:23 pm
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Just read where a gay

Just read where a gay activist professor at a San Francisco was busted for child porn, I guess he was a deviant homosexual huh? http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/leading-homosexual-rights-advocate-arre... Now I guess if he were married...

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Humble Angela 01/30/13 - 02:28 pm
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"Actually, your age gives you
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"Actually, your age gives you less credibility."

hmmmm...Wisdom and experience count for nothing now. My parents are wrong about EVERYTHING!!!! EAT CANDY FOR DINNER!!! STAY UP LATE!!!

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Humble Angela 01/30/13 - 02:30 pm
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" I can provide a link to the
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" I can provide a link to the flat earth society's web page."

The liberal way. Attack the source, but don't refute one single thing in the source. Oh so predictable.

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Humble Angela 01/30/13 - 02:36 pm
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"Homosexuality, pedophilia,
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"Homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia.

Which one of these does not belong and why? Homosexuality; it is the only one that is not illegal."

But it used to be....so all we have to do is to legalize all the others and they will be on equal ground? Just using your own logic.

Slavery used to be legal, so according to your logic it was ok too?

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Humble Angela 01/30/13 - 02:38 pm
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"No, but prejudice clearly
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"No, but prejudice clearly decreases with each successive generation."

Care to back THAT up with facts, or is it just another stated opinion. As I have seen it, prejudice doesn't decrease....it simply shifts to another victim.

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scoopdedoop64 01/30/13 - 02:59 pm
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Marriage

Marriage is an institution that was not set up and did not originate from our constitution. It began with God. He made Adam and Eve, and they were physically compatible to reproduce. He did not make Adam and Steve. Two women or two men can not reproduce naturally because the plumbing don't work. Marriage was to be an intimate relationship between a man and a woman that usually led to reproduction but of course not always. God specifically spoke against homosexuality in Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:26,27. Both nature and the Bible make it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. Those that choose to be gay can do so and should be treated with love and respect and even given certain rights under our laws. But to allow them to change the sacred institution of marriage is both wrong and I believe selfish on their part.

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Humble Angela 01/30/13 - 03:15 pm
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If my religion requires
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If my religion requires marriage to be between a woman and a man, then wouldn't forcing me to redefine that be a violation of my 1st amendment rights?

Just asking.........Or is it OK to violate the 1st amendment rights as long as the victim is a Christian?

Maybe the Government should make the Jews redefine bar mitzvah, so that I can "become a man."

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scoopdedoop64 01/30/13 - 03:24 pm
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What happened is that many of

What happened is that many of our forefathers were influenced by Christian traditions and they incorporated that into their understanding with the set up of a new government. Right or Wrong that is what happened. Of course if you are a Christian you are happy with that. If our forefather had separated the institution of marriage and civil rights from the beginning we probably would not have this problem. But how were they to know that we would digress to exchange the natural for the unnatural?

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burninater 01/30/13 - 03:33 pm
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Gays have the exact same

Gays have the exact same restrictions on marriage as anyone else in this country. Someone please try to prove me wrong.
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I'll use another case to explain how poorly thought out this argument is.

According to this argument, we could make marriage between Christians illegal without violating any one's civil rights.

How could that be, you ask? Simple! It will apply to everyone! EVERYONE will have the exact same restriction!

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