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The fall of Rome has been traced to several unrelated causes – from the rise of the Vandals, to changes in the weather – but ultimately Rome lost her favor and protection from almighty God.

The root cause beneath all the troubling issues facing America today is our rejection of God and His Word, the Bible, in all areas of life – religious, political, economical, social, aesthetic, medical and scientific.

For most of American history, the old King James Bible held center stage in homes, schools, courts, businesses and churches. But with the trampling and rejection of the Bible and dissolving of the separation of church and state (with the state now over the church) two generations of American savages have been produced – all with “rights” and Social Security numbers and guns, but no God. Godless environments always produce savages, and a savage with a gun always is a bad thing.

The First Amendment and Second Amendment stand and fall together. The reason for the most recent school massacre goes back to the First Amendment more than the Second. When children no longer are taught to fear and love God with all their hearts, to keep his commandments and to love their neighbors as themselves, they will revert to barbarianism, and barbarians must be disarmed.

God called wicked King Nebuchadnezzar “my servant” when He would use him to punish Israel (Jeremiah 25:8-9). Pat yourself on the back, America. You turned against God and His defense and protection by giving up your First Amendment. Now God’s going to turn against you, using His servant, President Obama, to forcibly strip you of your last defense and protection – your Second Amendment.

The Rev. Timothy Fellows

Aiken, S.C.

(The writer is pastor of The Church of Philadelphia in Aiken.)

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specsta
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specsta 01/11/13 - 01:43 am
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And Another One...

Oh, brother...yet another "America is doomed" religious letter appearing in the Chronicle...

Let us all yawn together...

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 01/11/13 - 01:46 am
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Yawn if you want to.

You won't be yawning long! This letter is exactly on target and you can laugh it off or yawn at it but the reality will set in one day. Jesus is the only hope for this nation.

burninater
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burninater 01/11/13 - 02:25 am
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If you are blind to the

If you are blind to the multiple savageries committed through history by the Church in the Name of God, you will forever remain entirely ignorant of the actual causes of savagery in Man.

Ignorance and righteousness are a truly ugly pairing.

jkline
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jkline 01/11/13 - 04:19 am
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I agree in part, but one historical point...

I agree with Reverend Fellows' assessment of our future, and his observation about religion in life is also pretty accurate, and applies not only to the United States but also to western Europe. But, with regard to the fall of the Roman Empire, I have to point out that the Roman Empire rose to greatness when it was what one would call today a pagan civilisation, with Romanised versions of the gods of the classical Greek pantheon. Emperor Constantine, who ruled 306-337 AD, was the first Christian emperor and takes credit for turning Rome into a Christian empire. He did tolerate other religions, but Constantine was Christian (later promoted to saint) and Christians had some special privileges. The date generally given for the fall of the Roman Empire is 476 AD, by which time Rome had been Christian for over a century. Rome did not rise to greatness under Christianity, but fell under it. I am not sure that religion affected their fall, one way or the other. Wealth, laziness, outsourcing their military to barbarians, and letting non-Romans do all the work for the rich Romans probably had more to do with it. Just my opinion, and not one that I would try to convince anyone of. The 18th Century historian Edward Gibbon (author of "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire") held this view.

peace4784
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peace4784 01/11/13 - 05:10 am
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People and nations are
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People and nations are subject to the laws of nature. Rise and fall. Up and down. Old and new. Good and bad. Life and death. All reigions have a track record of brutality and goodness. It just depends on how a person wants to spin their point of view.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 01/11/13 - 06:14 am
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Abortions far outnumber church killings

    If you are blind to the multiple savageries committed through history by the Church in the Name of God, you will forever remain entirely ignorant of the actual causes of savagery in Man (burninator).

Since Scripture nowhere shows the Lord Jesus commanding the savagery you complain of, the church leaders responsible clearly weren't acting in his name and therefore weren't Christians (followers of the Messiah).

To understand savagery, we need look no further than our abortuaries, where far more people are being killed than are being killed in the world's religious conflicts.

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Techfan
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Techfan 01/11/13 - 06:20 am
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Social Security numbers?

Social Security numbers?

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 01/11/13 - 06:45 am
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My goodness

There are so many gloom and doom folks who thing the country is going to be destroyed by God. Give me a break. These letters have been appearing in newspapers for hundreds of years yet here we are plodding right along with no doom in sight.
When Jesus returns I would think the last thing he would want to see is a cross.

Jane18
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Jane18 01/11/13 - 07:04 am
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HE Is Still Waiting For Us...................

While I agree with most of your letter, Pastor Fellows, I have to disagree with the statement that GOD has turned against us. For sure, we have lost soooooo many of our blessings, because as a nation, we have left the instructions HE gave us to be blessed. So, now we are feeling the curses of a nation that Left HIM! Oh, he is still there, waiting on us, HE is very patient, but, it is all up to us to do the changing, and love and obey HIM as we are supposed to. Didn't Nebuchadnezzar take the two remaining tribes or families(Judah and Benjamin) of The House of Israel in captivity? If I remember correctly, it was The Assyrian that had earlier taken the northern ten Tribes of Israel in captivity, and when they were released went out into Europe and later migrating to countries we know SO well(another story for another time). Something else about Nebuchadnezzar, he prayed one of the best prayers after realizing WHO GOD was and is! Yes, Obama is being used, he just doesn't know it, and I personally, do not believe he is a willing servant!! (Savage and barbaric are very good synonyms for what I call "feral" people nowadays)

Techfan
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Techfan 01/11/13 - 07:09 am
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Not a lot of "Jesus loves

Not a lot of "Jesus loves you" in this guys message. I say throw out all of the Bible except the parts in red letters.

Jane18
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Jane18 01/11/13 - 07:15 am
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The Cross is a Sign That We Believe.......

Shrimp, GOD is Not going to destoy this earth, HE will destoy all the bad in it, at the appropriate time. Until you, and others, know the Word better than you do, be careful what you say. When the little country of Israel came back and established itself again, in 1948, that is when we needed to start realizing this is the time(generation) of the prophecy in the Bible. You know what is so funny about your comment? We are told that in this time people would be spouting the same thing you, and others, are saying!!

soapy_725
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soapy_725 01/11/13 - 07:36 am
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Under God added to the pledge?
Unpublished

Interesting timing to the addition of "Under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. A mixing of church and state in order to move to progressive socialism in America. And the church did not even realize what was happening. Half a century ago, at the height of anti-Communist fervor, Congress added the words ''under God'' to the Pledge of Allegiance. It was a petty attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets. But after millions of repetitions over the years, the phrase has become part of the backdrop of American life, just like the words ''In God We Trust'' on our coins and ''God bless America'' uttered by presidents at the end of important speeches.

When the government says FAIR, nothing will be fair. When the government says, under God, you can bet the farm that nothing is under God. Good will be called bad and bad will be called good.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 01/11/13 - 07:38 am
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Another Religious Debate

a silent reader and usually a large point giver for me.

Jane18
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Jane18 01/11/13 - 07:45 am
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A Religious Debate?

It's only a debate when somone doesn't believe or makes snide remarks about The Fathers' Word!

Techfan
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Techfan 01/11/13 - 07:55 am
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Israel didn't come back and

Israel didn't come back and establish itself again. Due to a sense of guilt, the UN stole the land of the Palestenians and established it. Of course that was after numerous acts of terrorism by the Zionists. It seems some folks support the terrorism of one group and denounce it by others.

carcraft
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carcraft 01/11/13 - 08:01 am
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Burninater let's check the facts!

Burninater wrote "If you are blind to the multiple savageries committed through history by the Church in the Name of God, you will forever remain entirely ignorant of the actual causes of savagery in Man. " Well let’s look at the record of the countries that have forsaken God. Communist China, over 60 million people killed and God only knows how many millions more tortured and brutalized. Communist Russia, over 20 million killed and millions more tortured and brutalized, Communist Cambodia, 6 million brutally killed, Cube, hundreds of thousands killed. Now tell me again how I won't understand the savagery of mankind unless I study the abuses of the Church? Now let’s look at the other side, Slavery ended in the western hemisphere because of Christians applying Christian beliefs. Civil rights restored to Black Americans because of Christianity and Christian beliefs. American missionaries are in Cambodia trying to end sexual exploitation of children over there as we write. Christian staffed ships and medical missionaries go around the world to ease the pain and suffering of the less fortunate in Christ's name. So I guess if I only looked at Communist China, Russia and Cube I would have a pretty negative view of communism, so name me a communist country doing good for others just because it is the right thing to do? Name me one nation that denies God that has given as much to the World as the Christians in America have. Then tell me about Christianity!

Techfan
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Techfan 01/11/13 - 08:01 am
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With all of the "thumbs

With all of the "thumbs down", it appears a lot of folks don't like the message of the letters in red.

Techfan
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Techfan 01/11/13 - 08:04 am
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Those killed by the Chi-coms

Those killed by the Chi-coms are just as dead as those killed in the name of God.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 01/11/13 - 08:09 am
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Red letter passages include warnings

    With all of the "thumbs down", it appears a lot of folks don't like the message of the letters in red (Techfan).

Do you realize that Jesus' warnings about hell and hypocrisy are all in red letters? Throwing out all but the red-letter passages isn't exactly the same thing as keeping only the love passages.

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Bizkit 01/11/13 - 08:31 am
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Religions aren't savages-we

Religions aren't savages-we are. You forget we are just another "evolved" animal. What do expect when you examine the rest of the animal kingdom. In any case we don't have much of a choice in outcomes. The majority of scientist believe mankind will destroy themselves and likely the earth, and the the majority of Christians who believe God will destroy the earth. But the Christians do have an up. Apparently the destroyed earth will be fused with heaven to create a new earth. Cool. Sort a like Dr. Who -we will regenerate-a rising phoenix. My bet earth will still be here in a thousand years-humans likely won't be-gone the way of the dinosaurs. I guess you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 01/11/13 - 08:38 am
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Y'all need to examine the

Y'all need to examine the history of Zionism. Spain originally threw the jews out startin' the shebang-the jews had to find a home. Then the 4 Aliyahs influenced by history like the Nazi murdering jews. Then the UN shenanigans but the violence is equal to both sides. I don't understand how most disavow most of the Bible so why accept the Biblical notion of Palestine and ignore the biblical reference to Israel-your argument should be neither exist. Besides the orginal palestine wasn't a muslim country-it was conquered just like the Romans and Persians.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 01/11/13 - 08:42 am
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Jkline, your and Edward

Jkline, your and Edward Gibbon's observations about Rome's rise, decline, and fall are interesting. Yes, the Roman Empire was largely pagan at the time of Christ's birth, but it wasn't hostile to Christianity's spread. Pontius Pilate, for instance, tried to avoid condemning Jesus to death; and Roman soldiers and courts protected the apostle Paul on several occasions. During all this time, Rome enjoyed God's blessing and protection.

In the more than 100 years after Constantine, however, Romans evidently abandoned biblical principles by resorting to greediness, laziness, the debasement of their coins, the use of non-Roman labor, and the outsourcing of their military to barbarians. Though we think of Christianity in terms of personal salvation by grace through faith, Christianity has much to say about diligence, hardwork, morality, and personal responsibility--virtues our nation is departing from.

In short, Pastor Fellows' LTE seems logically and historically adequate. Of course, we can't know if our president will take away our gun rights, but it's reasonable to think the Second Amendment will eventually fall without being repealed; after all, that's what happened to Article I Section 10, which prohibits states from making anything except gold and silver a tender in payment of debts.

If enough voters want to ignore the Second Amendment, it will simply be history.

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Jon Lester 01/11/13 - 08:43 am
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Pakistan was formed with faith in God very much in mind.

Consequently, events like yesterday's bombing in Quetta are a fact of life, because some people are so sure that their sect should have supremacy.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 01/11/13 - 08:43 am
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Ridiculous letter

Why don't all you doomsday believers go build yourself an underground shelter so you can survive God's wrath on this ungodly devil ridden nation that's so evil that we give more help to the unfortunate than any other country on earth.
Me? I'm not scared of God in the least. He loves me and I love him. I make jokes from time to time but God gave me a sense of humor and I plan to use it every chance I get.
All you people who are so scared that God is going to wave his hand and bring untold misery to the planet please stay away from me.
You're bad news!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 01/11/13 - 09:17 am
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So Shrimp I gather you're

So Shrimp I gather you're hindu and believe in Krishna the "God of Love". It is definitely not Allah, Elohim the great "I am" what most christians call "God Almighty". Or have you created your own personally defined "god"? I know a lot of people who call themselves christian and do that too-they should just face up and admit they believe in another religion too. I understand too-some christian pastors out of love are supporting gay marriage-a clear no, no, no. We just don't make the rules and if we can change the rules then I vote let's drop all ten commandments and just have a free for all-why discriminate? hee,hee,hee.

carcraft
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carcraft 01/11/13 - 09:27 am
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Bizkit- There is no Biblical

Bizkit- There is no Biblical referance to Palestine. There has never been a nation of Palestine. The Romans destroyed the Jewish nation and refered to the land as Palestine in honor of the Philistians the Jews ancient enemy as a slap in the face of the Jews after the Jewish rebellion.

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RMSHEFF 01/11/13 - 09:27 am
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I always get a kick out of

I always get a kick out of people that assume if a person says he is a Christian, God is responsible for all of his actions and sins. They sometimes give examples in the Bible of men of God committing sin and assume God is therefore complicit. Much of the old testament is telling what happened not what God wanted to happen. The folks start with the desire to diminish God and build themselves up, making themselves a God.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 01/11/13 - 09:30 am
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I haven't been a part of an

I haven't been a part of an "interest group" since the 60-70's but today I am going to join the "NRA". Yeah baby. I see a bit of hypocrisy with our Prez who seems to discriminate against guns but doesn't have a problem with bombs-drone bombs to assassiante American citizens, drone bombs to kill bad guys and lots of innocent too, Bill Ayer's use of bombs (his good friend) who terrorized a nation with no regrets. He doesn't need a gun to kill individuals when he has bombs. Let's ban all bombs. Why not put it all on the table. No bows and arrow, guns, knifes, spears, bombs, etc. It's the logical recourse of such lunacy. Hey sports mortality is an issue of concerns-kids in football with common concussions and long term hazards of such, direct deaths, Let's ban all school sports because someone may get killed. Gosh I maybe on to something.

burninater
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burninater 01/11/13 - 09:42 am
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Carcraft, Christians were

Carcraft, Christians were there at the end of slavery -- but they were also there at the beginning and they were there throughout its practice.

I repeat: if you are blind to the savagery performed by Christians, you are blind to the actual causes of savagery.

Ideology is no preventer of savagery. The choice of the individual to not be a savage is. The letter writer's claim that that choice is only available to Christians in a "Christian nation" is blind ignorance.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 01/11/13 - 09:42 am
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Be ye Holy

Shrimp, we are not called to a monastic lifestyle, but to be salt and light. Salt preserves and by our exemplary lifestyle in which we obey all laws and morality, work hard and provide for our families and love and help others we thereby preserve a civil society and set a good example for others as God blesses us. Light represents truth, the truth of God. Light is also a disinfectant and reveals and exposes sin where ever it is found, but first and foremost in our own lives and in the Church. We sometimes don't do as we should when it comes to being salt and light and when we don't we give a foothold to scoffers like yourself.

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