Liberals can't discern truth

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Again we are subjected to the rants of Joaquin Godoy, who fled his Red homeland but refuses to return to that “worker’s paradise” Cuba (“Make way for revolution,” Dec. 19).

He ignores the fact that no socialist nation has remained intact without a dictator and/or a corrupt political system. Each passing day brings evidence that Vietnam and China are slowly morphing into capitalism. And, by the way, what happened to the Soviet Union?

More seriously, he cannot comprehend or appreciate that if he wrote his letter advocating revolution in his homeland, North Korea or Venezuela, he would be permanently silenced.

His charge that the National Rifle Association distributes money to corrupt lawmakers discounts the far greater amount that unions donate to politicians, who then rape the treasury to dispense benefits and high wages in return for votes. The elitist hypocrisy is palpable.

He bemoans the fact that the “Occupation” became languid because of physical misery and agony. Oh, those poor souls. If the Founders were made of the same lethargic stuff, we would be greeting the new year from Plymouth Rock.

But like most brainwashed liberals, he cannot discern truth and fact from the propaganda. This isn’t because liberals have less gray matter; it is because they cannot drive their intellect to logical and rational answers to complex issues. An appropriate analogy might be: They are like a person sitting behind the wheel of a car with an idling 300-horsepower motor without a clue how to put it in gear.

Paul D. Hopkins

Aiken, S.C.

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swcohen
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swcohen 12/29/12 - 06:02 am
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Meddling, insipid, do-gooders

Just look at all of the nasty things that liberals and progressives have done to Mr. Hopkins' beloved (notion of a) country. Why, if not for their meddling, you'd be ringing in the new year with the practice of human slavery intact, 'cause, you know, slavery did get stuff done. Those chatty and tiresome women would be back in the kitchen where they belonged, and not trying to feminize this man's world. Women voting? Why? What could the little ladies possibly know about man stuff like politics or finance? We wouldn't have the moral decay brought upon us by the scribbling profession... after all, there's only one Book that needs to be read. Likewise the entertainment industry, there'd be no wicked Hollywood Babylon to further drag our souls through the gutter. Of course, this wouldn't matter at all to me. My parents, Jews who fled a communist country, would never have been granted asylum in the Land of the Free, thus I'd not have been born.

If Mr. Hopkins wishes to live in a sensible and pious land not beset by roving hordes of clueless liberal do-gooders, I suggest he check out Iran.

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carcraft 12/29/12 - 07:53 am
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Mr. Hopkins is correct

Interesting that the Republican party is the party that ended slavery and passed the civil rights act with a greater percentage of Republicans voting for it than Democrats. So I really don't think Mr. Swcohen knows what he is talking about. Now that the liberals are getting there way we are adding trillions in deficits every year, no budgets and companies going bankrupt because of unions. The US spent 1 trillion dollars on welfare last year! President Obama was proud to point out that unemployment is less than any time in the last four years yet fails to point out that the work force is the same as in the year 2000 and the number of unemployed is less because many unemployed are no longer looking for work and have dropped out of the work force. “In 2000, the nation had roughly the same number of children and non-working adults. Since then, the population of non-working adults has grown 27 million while the nation added just 3 million children under 18.” http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2011-04-13-more-...

There is a chart at the link that explains our employment mess.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/cbigelow/obama-recovery-unemployment-ra...
That is the reality and the type of the "behind the facts" information Mr. Hopkins is talking about! Liberals will just scream "see unemployment is getting better like Obama said , when it really isn't!

swcohen
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swcohen 12/29/12 - 08:44 am
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Liberal Republicans!

Dear Mr. Carcraft, I said nothing about Democrats. You'll recall that the Democratic Party was staunchly conservative for most of it's history. The Republican Party rose from the ruins of the old Whig party as the champion of liberal and progressive causes.

The Republicans, led by Lincoln, made abolition their cause. A high minded and liberal idea if ever there was one.

Meanwhile, it was conservative Democrats, in the south and elsewhere, who chose to tear this nation apart in order to preserve... conserve... their traditional way of life. See how things have changed, though, since Democrats fought on the right side of history during the civil rights era. It took a few forward thinkers in the Donkey Party, for sure. JFK & LBJ to name two. Suddenly, it wasn't George Wallace's or Lester Maddox's party any more. Conservatives of that era, you'll recall, suggested axe handles as as solution to the unrest.

So now, what do we have? Democrats who are liberals, and a solidly conservative Republican south.

The problem is not with our two-shades-of-grey political system, but with conservatves. Mean-sprited, hypocritical, sanctimonious, wanna-be 1%ers, desperately clinging to a notion of America that everybody else wants to keep buried in the 1950s.

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chascushman 12/29/12 - 09:31 am
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VERY well said Paul
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Well said indeed.

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chascushman 12/29/12 - 09:38 am
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swcohen
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Paul did a great job of describing the Marxist liberals of today that make up the democrat party.
“But like most brainwashed liberals, he cannot discern truth and fact from the propaganda.”

swcohen
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swcohen 12/29/12 - 09:46 am
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AM 580 invades the www...

Conservative talk radio BS, Paul. What do you do, get the transcripts?

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soapy_725 12/29/12 - 09:47 am
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And Marxism is a religion with true believers.
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And we all know that if you believe, you cannot be convinced otherwise. Marxism is a way of life much like Islam. Every facet of daily life is the religion. The future is known and inevitable. The winner is loser is fore ordained. Christians could learn a few things about applying their faith to every facet of their daily life. But the Pharisees loved money more than God.

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Bizkit 12/29/12 - 10:44 am
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Y'all confuse progressivism

Y'all confuse progressivism with liberalism. Liberalism is like our fore fathers who believed in small transparent govt, lots of civil liberties and freedoms (such as religion, press, speech), private property, and free market-capitalism. Liberals have had a great influence on America. Progressives adopt social liberalism but don't be confused they believe in liberalism.

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rmwhitley 12/29/12 - 10:44 am
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Mr. Hopkins,
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your insight into the moral morass (liberals) are trying to mire true Americans in is on the money!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 10:51 am
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Funny that conservative

Funny that conservative believe in the bill of rights. You know that old bill that states our rights and dreams etc are God granted. This is why the injustices of the past like slavery were abolished. Now we have the liberals who want any mention of God removed from society because they believe in human secularism instead. If, Education is to enlightened the masses why do college campuses have a high rate of crime and trample on the first amendment ? Yet it is the liberals who call conservatives names in their noble quest to prove how opened minded they are. Well if you trust man to grant you rights then man can take them away too. If our dignity and rights come from God I'll take that system over the whims of a fallen man any day! Only this approach to rights will ensure equal rights.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 11:03 am
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We hear the left bemoan the

We hear the left bemoan the fact that dims blocked equal rights and abolishing slavery. They justify it by stating those dims went to the republican party. Yet it belies the facts that Byrd and other noted racist stayed in the party where they retained leadership. I say that those who left the dim party were upset at the racism that was prevalent in their leadership and became republicans out of conscious and other principled reasons.

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Bizkit 12/29/12 - 11:22 am
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Past is past- we have every

Past is past- we have every ethnicity (african, asian, indian,etc) gender (male, female, probably inbetween), and age (youth to old as dirt) serving in mutliple roles such as Prez, etc. Let's move along rather than re-live the past. Labels such as Dem, Rep, conservative, liberal, progressive do little to solve problems but become beasts (machines) of their own devise and just create more divide. I dare say most of the Rep and Dem of the past (during civil rights era) called themselves "christian" too. It's sad how "politics" corrupts everything. Most businesses address problems methodically with data and logic but add poltiics to the mix and it all becomes open to interpretation and any decision will be a political blend of doodie, pork, more doodie. Sheesh! Pitiful-its no wonder we have such huge debt-and the WH CBO says add 4 trillion more the next 4 years. Hey, I thought we were promised the other direction.

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Willow Bailey 12/29/12 - 11:29 am
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When a business owners bottom

When a business owners bottom line declines, he/she looks back at the concepts and practices that created their original success.

That's what we need to do as a nation from a fiscal sense rather than passing insults and blows from the deck of our "Titanic".

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grouse 12/29/12 - 01:42 pm
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Hypocrisy
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"The Augusta Chronicle comments are enabled for a robust but respectful conversation, not for personal attacks or harassment of others. You agree not to make racist, obscene or hateful remarks." Perhaps this should apply to the publishing of such letters as the above, which say nothing, but is full of invective language.

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faithson 12/29/12 - 02:14 pm
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willow

u do know that a perusal of 'best practices' will lead to an increased tax burden upon the top 2%, period !

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/29/12 - 02:29 pm
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You are right, faithson, if

You are right, faithson, if we look at it without going back far enough. For government, I'm thinking along the lines of what was its original purpose. Government trying to become the economy isn't working.

Truly, though, we are all in going to have to expect to tighten our belts to have any hope of making a recovery. I wouldn't mind paying more taxes, temporarily, if my government gave itself a complete spending overhaul from the President downwards. It isn't right to ask the American taxpayers to pony up more while they all behave like drunken sailors on a three day pass.

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gargoyle 12/29/12 - 02:50 pm
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Shallow men believe in luck,

Shallow men believe in luck, believe in circumstances -- it was somebody's name, or he happened to be there at the time, or it was so then, and another day would have been otherwise. Strong men believe in cause and effect.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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myfather15 12/29/12 - 03:20 pm
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Can't discern truth?

Can they not discern truth? Or are they brilliant in their methodical plan to dismantle America with lies? I say it's the latter. They are brilliant and no one should under estimate their brilliance, for that would be dangerous.

Now, there are many libs, like some commentors on the AC who don't have a single shred of common sense. Which is exactly the problem. But the leaders of the socialist, communist liberals are extremely brilliant.

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RMSHEFF 12/29/12 - 03:49 pm
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Liberalism and facts are

Liberalism and facts are antithetical to each other. Conservatives are fact oriented and use an objective set of facts to solve problems. The Liberal thought process does not involve this systematic analysis of facts but relies on emotion. You will always hear words like fairness, feel, care which carry a more subjective meaning without defining exactly what they mean. Liberal never look at the results of any policy they enact because results are not the main objective. Showing they care and tried to help is the main point. They will never admit their policies fail and will never try something new to solve a problem they will just throw more money at the problem because spending money is the barometer of their compassion.

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faithson 12/29/12 - 04:01 pm
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willow

yes... there are so many of us progressives that understand fiscal balance, cuts with revenues. This is where I think the democrats are going to fail us. cuts. Makes me sick as this IS the time to make 'responsible' decisions, and I think it may get washed away... hope not. Always liked Sen Colburn's plan...

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faithson 12/29/12 - 04:11 pm
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and

'Conservatives are fact oriented and use an objective set of facts to solve problems.' and where pray tell will I find this in the literature ? I do find it to be an applicable statement for a mindset of people who do not nuance, intuit meanings from facts. They just see what is there and make objective pronouncements. more power to them for what it is worth, just makes for poor negotiating skills when decisions have to be made by 'the people', all for one; one for all.

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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 04:17 pm
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Wow sen Colburns plan.

Wow sen Colburns plan. Besides yourself name some prominent progresses who endorse REAL cuts. I also favor tax increases when we absolutely spend every tax Penney wisely. Also when we demand real responsibilities.

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Techfan 12/29/12 - 05:54 pm
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"Truth" via Republicans

"And when I finally realized that it was God saying that this is what I needed to do, I was like Moses. 'You've got the wrong man, Lord. Are you sure?"

"People have asked me...over these last 18 months whether I'm running, and I always say, 'I'm walking.' And I'm walking because I'm trying to walk in the path that God's leading me in,"

"God then called me to run for the United States Congress,"

"It's God's plan."

"this is where God wanted me to be... Here I am in New Hampshire, before a major primary. I assure you that I am going to be the next president of the United States."

"I came to realize that life is that gift from God and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something God intended to happen."

"And the real concerns is that there are provisions for what I would call re-education camps for young people"

"'But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. ... I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly -- men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.''

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swcohen 12/29/12 - 06:09 pm
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Well, RMSHEFF et al, sounds

Well, RMSHEFF et al, sounds like conservatives are just as full of crap as liberals. Must be basic human nature, that full-of-crap thing. We all need to work on that, maybe less crap, more mutual understanding.

I've said this before, and I'll keep saying it... what we in the US call "liberal" and "conservative" are just a few degrees to either side of the center-right in the grand political spectrum. People from other parts of the world honestly, truly, cannot tell us apart. During the 2000 election, a French friend said to me "You guys are arguing bitterly over two shades of beige."

What we really need... and fast... is a combination of the two philosophies, some compromise, cooperation, and agreement on just how to get things done. If at the end of the process, NOBODY is happy about it, but EVERYBODY gets more-or-less what they need, then our political process has worked. At least, that's how it used to work.

Meanwhile, our politicians are behaving just like their constituents... which is fitting, since they are elected from among us. Here we are on this trivial forum, talking about the cognitive and moral deficiencies of the American Liberal, or the knuckle-dragging troglodytic demeanor of the American Conservative, and we wonder why our leaders can't agree on anything.

2013 is coming. You want to make a difference? Stop this stupid name calling BS, and look for reasons to compromise. I'll do it if you will.

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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 06:26 pm
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Every time we compromise with

Every time we compromise with the dims out taxes goe up and we get No spending cuts. I a sure you that there is a lot more distance between us true conervatives and Nancy, Harry, Kerry, Biden, obumler than a few degrees. True conservatives want true liberty that means a small Federal govt with limited powers as enumerated in the constitution. If y'all want liberal states you can have them.

swcohen
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swcohen 12/29/12 - 06:54 pm
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Nofanofobama, I detect in

Nofanofobama, I detect in your comments a faint hint of intransigence.

So, what is it you want? A one party system? A gulag for intellectuals and other subversive thinkers? Maybe a right-wing litmus test for anybody who writes, speaks, acts, sings, and especially, runs for a political office? (Ah... wait, we tried that... made for an unpleasant decade or so back in the otherwise "idyllic" 1950s.)

And just what the heck are "liberal states?"

Seems to me that you're much happier being part of the problem. Kind of a shame, what with us both being Americans and all.

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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 08:06 pm
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If I had gulag for liberal

If I had gulag for liberal intellectuals I would have a vacancy sign up!

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RMSHEFF 12/29/12 - 08:17 pm
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swcohen

Swcohen said " what we really need... and fast... is a combination of the two philosophies, some compromise, cooperation, and agreement on just how to get things done" . This is the problem. Compromise between republicans and democrats is what go us 16+ trillion in debt and a entitlement society. The democrats wanted to spend $10 and the republicans wanted to spend $ 5 so the compromised by spending $7 on things the federal government should not be involved in at all. The federal government should concentrate on the things our constitution allows it to be involved in like national defense and trade issues and all other thing should be left to the state . The liberals want a all powerful central government that controls our lives and sadly most republicans do also. There are a few constitutional conservatives in congress but not enough to change things. The spending and national will destroy America and time is running out. The size and scope of the federal government is increasing each day and every dollar we send to Washington makes it bigger and more powerful. I wonder at what point liberals would agree. Maybe when the government is as powerful as the one in Russia or China.

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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 08:12 pm
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If you call Dwight E a right

If you call Dwight E a right winger that would be news to a lot of people. After all he warned us about the military complex. Or a you referring to all the Dims who belonged to the KKK?

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RMSHEFF 12/29/12 - 08:23 pm
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Liberal states

Liberal states are the ones that are financially bankrupt like California, Illinois. New York etc. The ones run by Democrats. The ones with the highest crime rates. The ones with the strongest gun control laws. The ones that are Union controlled.

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