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America is a godless nation, destined to fail.

The truth is always hard to hear and a bitter pill to swallow. When God removes his protection from evil nations, those nations are doomed to fail.

How? By slowly coming to believe that wisdom begins and ends with man. Secularism is the name of the mind-set that teaches the belief that God is to be acknowledged only two hours a week and practiced only on Sunday mornings.

They even dislike the ringing of church bells to remind them of where they should be rather than where they are.

They believe they are greater than the Creator.

Every age has its own thoughts, ideas and values that influence the existing culture. America developed a consensus that morally dulled the mind, and we accepted society’s worst life values.

We avoid Jeffersonian ideas that government reflects the mores of society. Unfortunately, Americans have become tolerant of every form of debauchery and corruption that hell has to offer. We are full of pride, and believe ourselves to be wise and able to govern without God.

Many Christians fear standing up publicly for the truth of Scripture; somebody might not like them.

There are Christian denominations that once stood rooted on the Word of God who preach a message of tolerance and capitulation to sin and debauchery.

We see false teachers nodding their heads in approval and godless people misquoting the Scriptures and then claiming “Thus saith the Lord ... .”

Richard E. Hogue, Ph.D. (Theology)

Grovetown

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specsta
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specsta 12/26/12 - 12:30 am
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Nothing To See Here...

Secularism, debauchery, corruption, godless people, pride, dulled minds, sin, false teachers, Scripture misquoting, and misguided tolerance.

That's a pretty serious list. Sounds like the same thing that was happening 2000 years ago.

So, what else is new?

Techfan
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Techfan 12/26/12 - 01:56 am
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God loved us so much more

God loved us so much more when we subjugated women, slaughtered Native Americans and stole their land through force and lying on treaties (or both), and forced millions of people to live under the bondage of slavery? Ah, the good ol' days.

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omnomnom 12/26/12 - 02:34 am
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Jefferson also wanted a

Jefferson also wanted a nation of farmers. globalization and heavyhanded republicrats have about ruined the American family farm

Techfan
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Techfan 12/26/12 - 02:44 am
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Oh, and I forgot about the

Oh, and I forgot about the Jim Crow laws. I'm sure God loved the dickens out of them.

DanK
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DanK 12/26/12 - 02:49 am
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The death and doom brigade

Oh woe is me
I don't like what I see
Therefore, it's the end of the world.

We've heard this tiresome tormented whining and sniveling for centuries from the holier than thou death and doom brigade. At every turn, they see evidence that the world is collapsing around them.

It would be so much simpler if those righteous right, like Mr Hogue, who have been singled out and endowed with the vision to see the world through the special lenses of their pretentious belief system, could just shove their ideas down everyone else's throats and coerce them into conformity.

Because that is the real message you offer, isn't it, Mr Hogue? If the rest of the populace does not conform to your specific interpretation of morality and does not march in step with your particular mythology, everyone is doomed.

But those are not the principles that this country was founded upon, Mr. Hogue. Thomas Jefferson was a deist. He did not believe in a personal god. And despite the doom and gloom that your brethren have preached for more than 200 years in this land, the country has weathered every storm, and held high the torch of liberty and tolerance to enlighten the world.

I am sorry you suffer such divinely-inspired misery, Mr Hogue. Obviously prayer has fallen on deaf ears and you have been left unconsoled by your god. Perhaps it's time for some reflection on the validity of your vision.

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Fundamental_Arminian 12/26/12 - 04:35 am
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Destined to fail?

    America is a godless nation, destined to fail (Richard Hogue, Ph.D.).

Despite agreeing about our nation's godlessness overall, I can't go along with the assertion that we're destined to fail. To be sure, backsliding nations can slide past a point of no return, but our nation may still have time to avoid judgment by repenting.

God told the prophet Jeremiah that nations may forfeit blessings by sinning and avoid destruction by repenting:

    (7) If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, (8) and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. (9) And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, (10) and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it (Jeremiah 18:7-10 ESV).

We can choose whether to obey or ignore God's voice. If we fail, it will be our own fault. Why not repent while there may still be time?

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/26/12 - 04:53 am
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Not right about deism

    Thomas Jefferson was a deist. He did not believe in a personal god (DanK).

DanK, I'm no theologian, but I think deists do believe in a personal deity (at least, they don't consider God to be an impersonal force). The difference between deism and theism is that while theists believe God to be closely involved in the world's day-to-day operations, deists think God did his part in creating everything, then stepped back to see whether people would make good use of what was created. Sort of like telling us, "I've done my part; the rest is up to you."

Jefferson's theology was a bit unusual; however, I think a good case can be made for believing that most of our founding fathers were theists. At least, they weren't reluctant to give thanks for God's blessings and providence.

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wayne2410 12/26/12 - 06:09 am
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I agree with the author and
Unpublished

I agree with the author and salute his courage of putting his name on it, unlike the cowards who responded with such venom and hate. Spec, teck, and omnomom are good examples of why the country is in the sorry state it is, they disgust me.

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seenitB4 12/26/12 - 06:33 am
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Doomed you say...

Don't think so....

Down on our knees maybe.....grasping for a twig to hang on B4 we go over the cliff maybe....

We just need a good swift kick in the rear......& then we may stand upright while we kick some behinds out of daddie government......put OUR people back to work---stop trying to heal the world----stay out of a females body---& make some badddd younguns behave in school.

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carcraft 12/26/12 - 06:43 am
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Trillion dollar a year

Trillion dollar a year deficits, weak sputtering economy and a President whose goal is not to cure the ills of the US but to destroy the principals up on which it was founded. I figure we are pretty much going down the old tube unless we repent. Unfortunately the celebration of Sodomy, ridicule of God and his word and the banishment of people who proclaim God's word from the public square is the standard of today’s public discourse!

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carcraft 12/26/12 - 06:45 am
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Of course when people mention

Of course when people mention the sins of America they tie them to the Christians forgetting that the Christian Church militent was responsible for ending slavery, more humane treatment for prisoners,orpahnges, and start of public education in America!

carcraft
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carcraft 12/26/12 - 07:27 am
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Read Cal Thomas's editorial

Read Cal Thomas's editorial in the opinion page of the Augusta Chronicle today about the two California Christian Missionaries working to end Child prostitution in Thailand. Just another example of the ignorant, predjudice Christians seeking to help their fellow man!

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shrimp for breakfast 12/26/12 - 07:45 am
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Rubbish

The letter writer presumes to know and so judges the hearts of men.
That's a pretty slippery slope there Mr. Hogue.

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justthefacts 12/26/12 - 08:27 am
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Pretty much doomed.

But, don't blame God.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 12/26/12 - 08:29 am
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the sky id falling!!

I wonder if Mr. Hogue accepts the "Jeffersonian idea" that Jesus was a mere man and that the so-called "miracles" of the Bible are foolish fantasies?

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dahreese 12/26/12 - 08:36 am
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"We see false teachers
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"We see false teachers nodding their heads in approval and godless people misquoting the Scriptures and then claiming “Thus saith the Lord ... .”

Yes, we do.

And some of them have "PhD's" in theology.

dahreese
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dahreese 12/26/12 - 08:39 am
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@Techfan; "God loved us so
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@Techfan; "God loved us so much more when we subjugated women, slaughtered Native Americans and stole their land through force and lying on treaties (or both), and forced millions of people to live under the bondage of slavery? Ah, the good ol' days."

But...but...but....

We had "God on our side", didn't we...?

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JRC2024 12/26/12 - 09:02 am
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I think it was called

I think it was called Manifest Destiny when the population was expanding. I do not believe in slavery but back then it was worldwide and is still around in some countries. The United States is still a great country and just needs to get over the idea that all can be equal or made equal with the money of others.

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Bizkit 12/26/12 - 09:41 am
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Jefferson is like many

Jefferson is like many posters here who believe in God but are anti-christian or anti-religion. Jefferson believed in God and encouraged the "teachings" of Christ-just minus the miracles, trinity, divinity. They believed the Paley argument that God is obvious in his creation-you don't need an authoritative book like the bible. Natural God. You see it in Jeffersons writings. It doesn't mean he wasn't spiritual or believed in God-he just like so many others likes to make his own rules. However he did support the christian philosophy and "morality" of Christ-wrote his own Bible with the morality without the miracles. So he may be a Deist but he promoted the teachings and morality of Christ.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/26/12 - 09:50 am
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Pope Benedict

To carcraft's point: "Down the centuries, while there has been misuse of religion, it is also true that forces of reconciliation and goodness have constantly sprung up from faith in the God," said Benedict,

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soapy_725 12/26/12 - 09:58 am
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Those who accept Christ need no convincing.....
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Those who deny Christ cannot be convinced. How can there be a single supreme being when "they themselves are the supreme being".

Create your own god in your own image. Satan loves this mindset. For Satan does not require Satan worship, only the abandonment of Jesus Christ worship. Satan was the first to see himself "as equal to the Creator". All who follow Satan see themselves as the center of the universe. Satan even offered these powers to Jesus in the wilderness of temptation.

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RMSHEFF 12/26/12 - 10:05 am
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Grouse

The only place Thomas Jefferson used those words was in a letter between himself and the Danbury Baptist. Please take a few minutes to educate yourself at the following link which contains the actual letter. You and many others take the statement "separation of Church and State" completely out of context. The true intent of his statement is the exact opposite of what you are trying to sell.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=123
http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=65

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/26/12 - 10:01 am
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Jefferson did promote

Jefferson did promote separation of Church and State because he supported religious freedom and he was wary of organized religion and the influence of the state-as in the Anglican Church which he was raised. Jefferson also tried to pass a law to castrate all homosexuals-so I don't think he would support gay marriage.

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RMSHEFF 12/26/12 - 10:01 am
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God is to blame?

Its amazing how some will condemn God for the actions of sinful men.

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DanK 12/26/12 - 10:02 am
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Fundamental_Arminian said

Fundamental_Arminian said "DanK, I'm no theologian, but I think deists do believe in a personal deity (at least, they don't consider God to be an impersonal force). The difference between deism and theism is that while theists believe God to be closely involved in the world's day-to-day operations, deists think God did his part in creating everything, then stepped back to see whether people would make good use of what was created. Sort of like telling us, "I've done my part; the rest is up to you."

A personal god is one that intervenes, listens to prayers, responds to humans one-to-one. Deists, which is what Jefferson was, think of god as the force that put it all in motion, but does not intervene.

Deists believe in a god only in the sense of the workings of nature, which can be understood with reason. Thus, the Declaration of Independence specifically uses the term "Nature's God."

The deist god (which is nature) does not respond to prayer. It is not a personal god. Theism is a generic term that encompasses a belief that there is at least one god (there may be more), and that the god is involved in human affairs.

Christians believe in a personal god -- a god that intervenes in the world, that they have some personal connection with the god via Jesus, and that they can, as a result, petition their god to act on their behalf.

Jefferson was a deist. He did not believe in a personal god that intervenes in world events or responds to prayer. And he vigorously pushed for separation of all religious influence on the business of governance.

Toleration for the many forms of belief and disbelief, upon which our country was founded, can be seen in the 56 signatures on the Declaration of Independence that mentions only the deist "Nature's God" -- and the Constitution of the U.S., which does not refer to any god at all anywhere in the text or the Amendments. (The only use of a word close to that is in the date at the end, where it says "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" - which is not a religious reference but just the common way of stating a date, in which the word "lord" can be interpreted as either a reference to a god or the secular position of a ruler.

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allhans 12/26/12 - 10:05 am
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Some folks seems to think

Some folks seems to think that if you like the teachings of a person, you can't disgree with him once in a while. Sheesh!

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billcass 12/26/12 - 10:24 am
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Bad and dangerous theology

Dr. Hogue's theology is not only incorrect, it is dangerous. Read the following link:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/philosophicalfragments/2012/12/21/callous-t...

None of us can, or should, presume to know the will of God. God did not smite us when we were practicing slavery or burning witches at the stake. He smited Job who was one of the most noble people on earth. Do I know why? No, I don't. And neither does Dr. Hogue. But I do know that he is sovereign and in control and my faith and hope rests in him alone.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/26/12 - 10:30 am
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Personal doesn't have to mean personable

DanK, a god wouldn't need to be caring and involved in order to be personal. (Maybe you're thinking of personable.) It's possible for a person to be distant, uncaring, and even mean. Existentialists, for instance, believe in a god who created everything, then abandoned it all.

To my knowledge, deists have believed that God will intervene to judge all mankind at the end of time. If God acted that way, he wouldn't cease to be a person. In contrast, a force would neither issue moral laws nor judge people according to whether they obeyed his laws.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/26/12 - 10:46 am
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Billcass, let's not be too hard

on Dr. Dobson. In the paragraph quoted by your blogger, Dr. Dobson repeatedly used the words "I think." In other words, he was voicing his opinion, not claiming to know the mind of God. It's one thing to say, "I think America is a godless nation, destined to fail." It's something else to assert, "America is a godless nation, destined to fail."

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pearlthesquirrel 12/26/12 - 10:56 am
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Here we go again...
Unpublished

Another "end of the world - it's the end times - its the end of humanity as we know it" letter. Funny thing is, the "end times" have been being predicted since the beginning of times. Geez, just pick a date and let me know when it's going to end. Hey, it is Dec. 26th , is it not? What happened to that Dec. 21st thing-a-ma- jig?

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