Science spurred by Bible

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Concerning the letter “Example shows prayer fails” (Dec. 4): A child keeps asking his father for stuff and gets the answer “no.” Hopefully, some day he learns his father’s will. God is sovereign, but He delegates authority and gives people choices within limits.

In 1846, Ignaz Semmelweiss found that someone could acquire a disease from a corpse. In the Bible books of Leviticus and Numbers, God gave laws about cleansing after touching a corpse and other sanitation teachings.

U.S. navy officer Matthew Maury was at home sick. He read Psalm 8:8: “(W)hatsoever passeth through the paths of the sea ...” Maury noticed that. Experiments were done, and ocean currents – “paths” in the sea – were found.

Science thrived in the West because believing scientists expected God’s world to be orderly. They found order.

Louis Pasteur read the Bible and prayed each day before going about his activities.

Joseph Lister, a Christian, has been called “the greatest surgeon.”

Shirley McBurney

Augusta

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Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/16/12 - 02:21 am
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Good letter!

Oppositions to the Bible don't come from science, but from what is falsely called science. Many early scientists were Christians whose faith in a Sovereign Lord moved them to expect the universe to have laws and order that could be explored and utilized for mankind's benefit. To my knowledge, the scientific method wasn't developed by people who believed that everything had resulted by random chance without a Creator.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 12/16/12 - 06:00 am
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How right you are FA

The "fathers" of the scientific method were christians seeking to understand an orderly universe. Led by their instincts and faith.

This instinct led them to order and discovery, while simultaneously relizing, "if the universe exists in a strictly materialistic vacuum, the product of random particle collisions, then there is no foundation upon which one can expect to observe order in nature."

The "usual" posters on this site that seem to relish in trashing Christianity believe the propaganda of science and Christianity being polar opposites, or, they are fully aware of the truth but conveniently chose to ignore it.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/16/12 - 06:51 am
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Y'all have to be kidding.

46% of Americans belive the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and that man just appeared in his present form (58% of Republicans).

30% of Texans believe that man and dinosaurs coexisted.

60% of American believe a guy built a giant boat and put 2 of every creature on earth (7 pair of some) and the entire earth was covered with water. (of course the world looked different then, possibly just one continent, all the animals simply arrived at the Ark as if called by a “homing instinct”, and they just used baby dinaosaurs due to the size.) Answers in Genesis.

A book written by people who believed in a flat earth and a solid dome above, combined with the current denial of science by many modern "christians" totally disproves the thesis of the letter.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 12/16/12 - 07:34 am
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Darn Techfan

I sure would hate to live with your mindset!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/16/12 - 08:25 am
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"30% of Texans believe that

"30% of Texans believe that man and dinosaurs coexisted" (TechFan)

So that would be about 7,702,404 people out of 25,674,681. So? Since scripture doesn't actually use the word dinosaur but does describe creatures similar to what we would view as dinosaurs, we (and that includes you) can not say definitely yes or no whether they existed . The fact is that fossilization does not take millions of years since under the right conditions a bone, an old boot, and even wood can become filled with minerals fairly quickly. Necessary ingredients for fossilization, even in a few thousand years are these; a quick burial under very deep water or volcanic ash. Sure sounds like something a Great Flood could create.

"people who believed in a flat earth " (TechFan)

Techfan, you are incorrect......."In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon.

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is “He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end.” A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22—“the circle of the earth.”

"46% of Americans belive the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and that man just appeared in his present form "

Techfan, you might want to go read that Bible you so famously like to condemn. Your incorrect again......We don't believe man just appeared in his present form. We believe a heavenly Father created him out of the dust of the earth and breathed life into his nostrils. As for how old the earth is, it is as old as God wants it to be. No one, not even scientist have a clue how old the earth is. God is God and we are not and if He wants to advance or slow down fossilization or speed up continental drifts and erosion, it is His choice. Man bases the age of the earth on man's intellect from what he proceeds as logic....doesn't necessarily mean he is correct.

I'll use your own words "Y'all (or in this case, You) have to be kidding.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/16/12 - 08:28 am
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That science is real? I sort

That science is real? I sort of like that mindset. The Bible is not meant to be a history (other than roughly a very embellished history of the Hebrews) or science book. It's a book of fables that tell people how to live. Most won't sell everything they own and give the money to the poor. Most will hit back (or shoot) instead of turning the other cheek. It's a book most people cherry pick verses from to back up their secular belief system. If Jesus walked up to them today they'd think he was a dirty hippie and run the other way without listening to a word he said. It's been used to back slavery, war, killing, you name it. Everything against what Jesus really stood for. "Love your neighbor", and he wasn't just talking about the family that lives next door. That part I believe in and that part I try my darndest to follow. I'm much poorer financially, but money ain't everything.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/16/12 - 08:38 am
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Or you can just change the

Or you can just change the words around from what people of the era really believed. A circle "o" isn't a sphere. The world floated on the water and there was the firmament in the sky, a solid dome. Everything was fixed (ie. is in the same place) in it. They had no concept that the moon was closer than the sun. Of course when the sun stood still, no one flew off into space because they didn't know the earth spun, and the sun orbitted it. It's hopeless, people just keep making up stories to fit what they want. Go for it, if it wasn't in the name of religion it would be considered a mental illness. Don't leave out Moroni and the golden tablets.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/16/12 - 09:28 am
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Techfan, I'm really sorry

Techfan, I'm really sorry that you have had such a miserable life experience with Christians, or those who call themselves Christian. Maybe if you got that chip off your shoulder and actually involved yourself with a true child of God you'd realize that lumping all who call God, Father, are not all in the family.

As for the piece you referred to in scripture about selling all your goods and giving them to the poor.....if you took the time to research scripture you'd find the true meaning of His words. Here's a hint...it helps to read the scripture before and after the one you so love to quote out of context.

I would also challenge you that most children of God will turn the other cheek and have done so many times. You assuming that anyone who speaks the name of Jesus is a Christian so thereforth when they don't act as you think a Christian should, you [filtered word]-U-ME all Christians are fake and worthless pieces of crap.

I find it extremely hilarious that you say you follow the teachings of Christ where "loving your neighbor" is concerned (and by neighbor He means everyone) but you will post several quote demeaning and condemning those who in your opininon are false "chrisitans". You are doing the exact same thing as you accuse others and in my book that is called a hypocrite. And my gosh, who has brought up financial weath? Giving to the poor doesn't always mean money.....time, talent, a listening ear, Godly advice is what this verse is also talking about.

"It's hopeless, people just keep making up stories to fit what they want. " (by Techfan)

No, sadly Techfan, what is hopeless is when individuals are so lost spiritually that they are totally deaf, dumb, and blind to the things of Christ. My prayer is that God will reveal Himself to you, open your eyes to scripture, and soften your heart so He can place someone in your life that will show you the things you so seriously don't understand.

DanK
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DanK 12/16/12 - 10:10 am
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Well, non-believers do science too

It is just as easy to list scientists who were non-believers. Einstein, for example, was a devout and outspoken non-believer. Thomas Edison, Carl Sagan, Alan Turing (the father of computer science), Watson & Crick (who discovered the structure of DNA), Alfred Nobel and a very large percentage of Nobel Prize winners in the sciences -- all were atheists.

In fact, belief in a personal god is uncommon among scientists. Based on surveys of scientists, 1/3 say they are atheists, 1/3 say they are agnostic, and a large percentage of the rest are theists (believing that a god set the universe in motion and then stepped away to let it run without intervention or just have a vague "spiritual" notion they accept).

The percentage of great scientists who believe in a personal god is relatively small in modern days. Of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, 72% say they are atheists and more than 20% are agnostics. Only 7% said they believe in a personal god.

Among social scientists (psychology, sociology, etc) 2/3 say they are atheists or agnostics.

A larger percentage of doctors believe in a personal god. But most doctors are not scientists.

As for the "fathers of science" referring back to hundreds of years ago, education was limited to a small group who were either connected to the royal rulers or were educated within the clergy. So it's no surprise they said they believed in a god. But science was often in conflict with religious teachings. Just look how well it worked out for Galileo.

TrukinRanger
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TrukinRanger 12/16/12 - 09:59 am
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I wouldn't disagree with the
Unpublished

I wouldn't disagree with the statement that science was spurred by the bible. Someone that was free-thinking had to finally say they had enough of the craziness and set out to prove (or disprove) some of the fairy tales and myths in the bible. I'm sure there are many historical events in this text, but how can we accurately tell which are literal and which were spurred from those sitting down with a quill and an empty glass of wine.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/16/12 - 10:30 am
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I don't know why some of you

I don't know why some of you keeping making a false assumption that a belief in science precludes a belief in God-they are different domains and it is just ignorant. Need to examine the nobel list again and their writings-lots of physicist nobels mention God in their writings, many are jewish and muslim too. Then noble peace prizes have lots of people of faith-we can start with Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama and list other notable people who declare themselves christians. So what if the number of scientist are atheist-what argument is that? If we go by parsimony (Occam's razor) then the vast majority of the people on this planet are people of faith-mostly christians and muslims and the argument could be they must be correct too. Jeez.

Jane18
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Jane18 12/16/12 - 10:45 am
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"Turn The Other Cheek"--No More

My believer brothers and sisters: There are some folks that will never "get it". We have done our best to plant a "seed" to so many of them because we "love our neighbor and brother", but, for whatever reason, the seeds have fallen on "hard ground". We have "turned the other cheek" so many times, and I, for one, get the message. There are others we can help, it's time to move on. This will be the last time I will address techfan(I'm sure he will be happy about that). "Turning the other cheek" techfan, means if I or someone has overloaded you with The Word, and it offends you, been too much for you to comprehend, and you whack(HIT, SLAP) us physically or verbally(as you do on this venue), then we ARE to turn the other cheek to you. Well, time and time again, we have tried, and you(and others) have whacked us, again and again! No more for me, I will not be drawn in by your unbelief and negativity. And you are correct, if, for no good reason someone walks up and physically whacks me, I most definitely WILL whack him/her right back. Good-by techfan, and those that think like you................

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/16/12 - 10:40 am
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The earth is an oblate

The earth is an oblate spheroid-remember part of it made the moon. The notion it is flat came from ancient Mesopotamian mythology. The Greeks were the first to state the earth is a sphere which jews and muslims accepted the same-as well as early christians-see writing of Isidore of Seville. The modern flat earth christian movement is generally denounced by most theologians but we see it still persists. I personally don't get it.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/16/12 - 10:45 am
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The fact is most of our laws

The fact is most of our laws come from christian morals which most atheist would accept most of these laws-like it is murder to kill another person. Which scientifically we know is no crime-we all are going to die-we are just another mammal-their is no significance to the individual life. Scientifically the only thing we do that matters is reproduce. Which is why I became a scientist-hee,hee,hee. LOL.

DanK
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DanK 12/16/12 - 11:48 am
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Off topic

The original letter was about the link between religion and science. That's what I addressed, and stated the facts. Yes, you can find lots of people who believe in a personal god who are not scientists, including Nobel peace prize winners, lawyers, legislators, etc. Yes, lots of the general public believe in a personal god.

But that was not the subject of the original letter. So, say what you will about how valuable religion is in your life or others, postulate non-scientific notions about the world as much as you like, but religious belief is just not relevant to scientific research and the vast majority of scientists in modern times are non-believers.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/16/12 - 12:06 pm
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I don't know about that. If

I don't know about that. If Watson of Watson and Crick fame maybe was a christian he may not have said racist comments that got em booted from the Cold Spring Harbor. Course that's a lot of maybees. And you are correct-religious belief is not related to science-different domains as I and Gould argue. But music, faith, etc can be inspirational in science-plenty of examples of how great ideas came during "down time". Le Maitre argued the same to the Catholic Pope who tried to make much ado about the Big Bang. It is irrelevant to science is the absolute sense but not to scientific pursuit by the individual. I would also posit the Bible is now of interest to some scientist-studying archaeology. And spirituality is being studied by scientist examining- "religiosity" or "belief". Faiths and science are all part of our evolution and thus have served some purpose and had a great impact on our evolution-wars and modifying gene pools, etc. technology and changes in social biology, etc. You can argue that educated people are indoctrinated into atheism as much as the faithful are indoctrinated into christianity, islam, etc. It can create two world views for the binary thinkeer. I would argue against such simplestic notions. You could also argue that education since the 50's has shifted from a liberal arts education to a liberal education-sort a like radical muslims indoctrinate their kids to hate Americans.

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 12/16/12 - 12:26 pm
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I pushed the ignore buttom

a long time ago!

grouse
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grouse 12/16/12 - 12:34 pm
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Galileo might have an answer
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Galileo might have an answer to the letter writer...

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/16/12 - 02:04 pm
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WOW....
Unpublished

Here we go again.....the Christians telling things "their way" while the other side dispenses facts.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/16/12 - 03:09 pm
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Or Alhazen, Had Galileo beat

Or Alhazen, Had Galileo beat by about 500 years. However he envisioned a stationary earth as I recollect.

Gage Creed
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Gage Creed 12/16/12 - 07:52 pm
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I'm confident that it is

I'm confident that it is extremely apparent who is relevant and who is not relevant in this conversation.

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 12/16/12 - 11:52 pm
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Which side is more accepting?

Religion may be slow to accept some science.

But many Scientists work day and are night hell bent to prove there is no GOD.

KSL
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KSL 12/20/12 - 01:52 am
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Tehran, I think that was

Tehran, I think that was pretty rude of you to essentially call Jane "a so-called Christian."

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