Our faith is proof of God

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Regarding the letter “Example shows prayer fails” (Dec. 4): The power of prayer is in the faith of the person who asks it of God. If there is no faith behind the words that are spoken then the prayer is nothing but hollow words.

The Bible defines faith this way: “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” (Hebrews 11:1). Another translation puts it this way: “Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.”

The very existence of our faith, despite our circumstances, is a proof of God.

Jerry Stapleton

Hephzibah

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shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 12/15/12 - 04:12 am
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Yeppers

Without Faith what's the point in living.

DanK
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DanK 12/15/12 - 05:35 am
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The logic of the illogical

Faith cannot prove the existence of any supernatural being. All faith proves is that the person believes that which they cannot prove. If they could prove it, faith would be unnecessary. If it could be proved, there would be no doubt.

All this circular reasoning accomplishes nothing but to illustrate the illogicality of religious belief. It cannot be proved. It can only be believed or not believed. That applies to all religions, to all mystical and mythical and supernatural beliefs.

If you want to believe, then fine, believe. If you find prayer personally beneficial, by all means pray. But do not try to claim that just by believing in something, that makes it true. Belief proves nothing other than your own personal conviction.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/15/12 - 07:19 am
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DanK, I agree with

your criticism about circular reasoning. I notice, though, a subtle difference between the letter and the headline. While the headline reads, "Our faith is proof of God," the letter says, "The very existence of our faith, despite our circumstances, is a proof of God."

The letter reminds me of what the apostle Paul said about faith that persists despite persecution and hardship:

"(27) Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel, (28) and not frightened in anything by your opponents. This is a clear sign to them of their destruction, but of your salvation, and that from God. (29) For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, (30) engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have" (Philippians 1:27-30 ESV).

This faith, which enables a person to remain calm, patient, and even thankful in the worst of times, functions as a sign that God's grace is at work in the person's life and that the person will be ultimately saved. Of course, a sign is harder to perceive than scientific proof is.

KasparHauser
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KasparHauser 12/15/12 - 07:21 am
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Some Proof!
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With 'thinking' like this, the World's population just grew immeasurably when all the voices inside peoples' heads became real.

BTW, I guess the entire congregation and both my relatives were faithless and hollow when neither relative nor congregation had their prayers for a cure for their cancer answered. Or, maybe some of them were praying against recovery?

I guess ALL Christer congregations around the World are faithless when, every week and without fail, their prayers for World Peace go unanswered, especially when it is directly linked to True Believers' obsession with Israel.

Oh, let me guess, "YHWH knew better in all those cases"

Once again, how are the workings of prayer different from pure chance?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/15/12 - 08:42 am
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"Faith cannot prove the

"Faith cannot prove the existence of any supernatural being" (DanK)

No, but it does give us the assurance that He does.

faithson
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faithson 12/15/12 - 10:11 am
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value vs meaning

one must give value to ascertain the meaning. We are all brothers and sisters in the spirit, yet the only way I know this as a subjective experience, an experience as real as ice cream with hot fudge, is by my Faith. I cannot 'prove' it, yet on the other hand neither can the cynic prove his stance. The yoke of Faith brings much peace and comfort to those who embrace it's Value.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/15/12 - 10:34 am
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Without Faith it is impossible to please God.

It is true we come to Him in Faith. You must first believe that He is. Our Faith is not blind Faith. If you look at the historicity of the Bible and the life of Jesus you can have good reason to believe. No other document has been more scrutinized than the Bible and continually pass the test. Do you think all of the disciples of Christ (except John) would have died a martyrs death for what they knew was a lie? I would suggest to those without faith in God to read a book by Josh McDowell entitled "More than a Carpenter".

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/15/12 - 10:51 am
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Gee Dank 99.9% of all

Gee Dank 99.9% of all biologist "believe" in evolution. It isn't a fact (as some naively suggest) but inferences and deductions to explain (theory) the diversity and all life that has been on the planet. Science can't "prove" evolution either (but science never proves anything) but provides evidence to support the theory. Does that mean they are all wrong? People can't "prove" their faith either but they do have "evidence" in their minds to support this believe. Most people with faith have no doubt-they aren't illogical but had an experience with God. Then again all you have to do is believe a sugar pill is medicine and people can get well-placebo effect. The power of belief is undeniable so is the Power of Myths. I think it is well enough you don't understand christian beliefs but it likely well enough you wouldn't understand homosexuality either (unless you are), or being a different ethnicity. Because we don't understand isn't license to criticize. But then again it doesn't stop many christians either (which is contradictory). Live and let live.

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/15/12 - 10:54 am
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9:1 ration = "fair and balanced"
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Since Mr. Millers original letter, this is the 10th letter the Comical has printed in regards to it. Eight (8) of them opposed Mr. Millers letter, one (1) agreed with Mr. Millers letter, and one (1) I would classify as neutral. Of the eight (8) opposing letters, NOT one of them gave an example of prayer working - NOT ONE. That was Mr. Millers point - that prayer DIDN'T work. All these letters (8) and nobody is showing that prayer works or gives a rock solid example of prayer working - interesting? These letter writers are like the people that think evolution is false. They tell you it's false, they claim it's false, and they think it's false. Well, it only takes one, ONE, example that would absolutely deny the substantiated claims of evolution and evolution would go down like a fat man tripping over a beer can. SCORE: Evolution - 1.....the deniers - 0. Prayer don't work - 1.....prayer works - 0. Case closed.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/15/12 - 10:59 am
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I would ask secular people do

I would ask secular people do you believe in ghosts, aliens, Nessie, or Big Foot? If you say yes to any then you believe in supernatural things that haven't been proven.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/15/12 - 11:06 am
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Bizkit ....99.9 % ?

If by evolution one means a change in gene frequency within a given animal kind over time, then, yes. A very different belief is what is known as the general theory of evolution, or neo-Darwinism (ND). This is the idea that all living creatures on earth, originated from one single-celled organism 3.6 billion years ago.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 12/15/12 - 11:24 am
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Faith is a simple as.....
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entering a restaurant for the first time. You go to a table, pull out a chair and proceed to sit down. Have you asked for a "certificate of reliability" that the chair will hold 200 lbs? No. You have confidence in something you cannot prove or has been proven to you. Human exercise faith many times a day without thought of religion. It is only when FAITH is associated with the God Creator of the Universe, that the "can't use faith" folks appear.

The very mention of Jesus is like a "crucifix to a vampire". PC says we can believe in anything as long as it is not in the only name than save a human soul, Jesus Christ.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/15/12 - 11:50 am
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Actually the modern synthesis

Actually the modern synthesis continues and the gene-centric view of evolution (which evolutionary biologist agree can't explain all evolution) is being modified to a heirachial approach with multilevel selectoin and adding epigenetics to the mix. Darwin promoted the same idea that all life has a universal common ancestor-the whole idea of descent with modification. But usually theories explain obvious phenomena like gravity, white light or other electromagnetic wavelength,etc. while evolution is unusual because it really isn't a "fact and theory" as some naively suggest (great arguments destroying that myth by a noted evolutionary biologist who goes by Thompsma on the Evolution and Fact and theory wikipedia articles) but inferences about life and deductions based on that (limited resources, and Ernst Mayr's other inferences). course people should realize too what a theory really is:which isn't "just" a theory, or some vague idea, or no evidence to support, but a broad explanatory theory with numerous nested theories and hypotheses which really builds and tells a story about life on this planet. Now how it originated-all bets are off. That isn't evolution but the origin of life which some "believe" in abiogenesis.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 12/15/12 - 12:00 pm
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"do you believe in ......,

"do you believe in ......, aliens, ......, or Big Foot?"

Ah oh Bizkit, you've caught me there.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/15/12 - 12:11 pm
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Life from non life

Evolutionary claim: Life arose by spontaneous generation (also called "abiogenesis"). Under a [refuted] chemically reducing atmosphere energized by lightning and by UV light from the sun, Earth's early oceans collected the chemical building blocks of life, forming a vast organic soup. Here, simple organic molecules (monomers) linked up (polymerized) to form complex macromolecules. Eventually, enough protein and DNA molecules randomly assembled to form the first living cell - a microbe which grew, divided, and replicated itself.

Empirical science fails to lend credibility to the popular evolutionary assumption that life could have arisen as a product of purely natural processes.

Recomended reading: Evolutionist hope we don't know Chemistry. by Rene Evard & David Schrodetzk

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 12/15/12 - 12:15 pm
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Colossians 2:2-3

2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

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grouse 12/15/12 - 02:01 pm
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I think events such as the
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I think events such as the one yesterday prove there is no god, either that, or he is a jerk (I'd use a stronger word, but there is censorship here). All the sincere, faithful prayers in the world will not revive those dead children.

grouse
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grouse 12/15/12 - 02:22 pm
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When all you pious, faithful,
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When all you pious, faithful, true believers are in church tomorrow, pray for the physical restoration of these children (not the spiritual) and see what the results are. Let the rationalizations begin!

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 12/15/12 - 02:36 pm
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grouse

Your finite world view only allows you to see the here and now. If you believed in Heaven and Heaven is the perfect place as described in the Bible, why would you want anyone to return to this sinful world full of pain and suffering? Even Christians spend to much time trying to "pray" people out of Heaven. Suffering is reserved for the living and the unsaved dead and those are who we are to pray for. These children are now with the only one that loved them more than their parents, Jesus Christ. Pray for the parents and family.

Signed
Irrational Pious Faithful True Believer

grouse
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grouse 12/15/12 - 04:26 pm
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Irrational is correct.
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Irrational is correct.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 12/15/12 - 04:40 pm
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Dear God

Why do you allow so much violence in our schools?
A concerned student.

Dear concerned student,
I'm not allowed in schools.
Love, God

strictly bussiness
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strictly bussiness 12/15/12 - 07:18 pm
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giving to the needy

I have a co-worker, whom is hungry, won't admit it to me, but latley I've been giving her snacks at work i notice yesterday thta she took the snack home with her. God said somehting to the affect that if you provide for those in need that he will provide for you even though she is not a person that I get along with very much.

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/15/12 - 09:13 pm
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Oh man....
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Oh man, the old "they took God out of schools so lets blame the secularists for these murders" excuse. Talk about lame - it don't get any lamer than that. That's like me blaming these murders on all the pedophilia taking place within the church. But I won't use that for an excuse because I'm not that lame nor ignorant. You forgot to blame the homosexuals. You forgot to blame the lesbians. You forgot to blame the Democrats. You forgot to blame the Republicans. You forgot to blame the liberals. You forgot to blame the conservatives. You forgot to blame the second amendmant gun owners. You forgot to blame the bow-hunters of America. You forgot to blame the AARP. You forgot to blame the KKK. You forgot to blame the unions. You forgot to blame the NAACP. You forgot to blame the Jews. You forgot to blame the "ancient aliens". You forgot to blame Bobo and Matt Moneymaker from Finding Bigfoot. You forgot to blame The Jersey Shore. You forgot to blame Barack Obama. You forgot to blame the "evil"-lutionists. But mostly, you forgot to blame the Augusta Chronicle for allowing you to post garbage like that.

pearlthesquirrel
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pearlthesquirrel 12/15/12 - 09:13 pm
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Oh man....
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Oh man, the old "they took God out of schools so lets blame the secularists for these murders" excuse. Talk about lame - it don't get any lamer than that. That's like me blaming these murders on all the pedophilia taking place within the church. But I won't use that for an excuse because I'm not that lame nor ignorant. You forgot to blame the homosexuals. You forgot to blame the lesbians. You forgot to blame the Democrats. You forgot to blame the Republicans. You forgot to blame the liberals. You forgot to blame the conservatives. You forgot to blame the second amendmant gun owners. You forgot to blame the bow-hunters of America. You forgot to blame the AARP. You forgot to blame the KKK. You forgot to blame the unions. You forgot to blame the NAACP. You forgot to blame the Jews. You forgot to blame the "ancient aliens". You forgot to blame Bobo and Matt Moneymaker from Finding Bigfoot. You forgot to blame The Jersey Shore. You forgot to blame Barack Obama. You forgot to blame the "evil"-lutionists. But mostly, you forgot to blame the Augusta Chronicle for allowing you to post garbage like that.

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